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Jon,

Thanks for sharing your friend's experience. I'm fairly neutral on guns themselves, but I do think there should be a national gun registry and efforts to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands. I don't think minors should handle anything beyond hunting guns, and then only under adult supervision.

Malcolm,

Ha! I always wondered why the county does not pass an ordinance against loitering in road medians. Such an ordinance, strictly enforced, would decrease the number of squeegee guys, homeless dude who wander around during a red light, and "flower sellers" dramatically.

I guess they're too busy ticketing people going 20 above (even though everybody else is also going at least 15 above).

You know, I’m not a gun nut. I don’t even own a gun. But if everybody in Columbine had been packing heat, that siege would have lasted 10 seconds.

Heh, that reminds me of how sales of hand guns soared immediately after September 11th in Midwest/Southern states.

Because there's no better way to protect your family in Bumbleville, TN from al qaeda like a Smith and Wesson.

Actually, I take it back.

A better "that reminds me of" would be... that reminds of the Long Island Rail Road massacre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson

This comes to my mind because when it happened, I specifically remembered this:

Gun rights advocates frequently cite the Ferguson attack on the commuter train as an example of the danger of disarming the population, arguing that Ferguson was able to shoot as many victims as he did because no other person on the train was able to return fire.

Ah yes - the gun rights advocates in Texas ranted and raved about this. How if only god hating liberal anti-freedom NYers carried guns none of this would've happened.

Because... you know... a shoot out on in a packed train is exactly what would reduce casualties.

RE: Handguns & Lots and Lots of People Carrying Them in Public

The problem as I see it isn't the big incidents we all talk about like Columbine. In these cases we can all imagine ourselves sitting there as others desperately cower and beg for their lives wishing we had a .38 to just end it.

Even assuming that
a) We're a good enough shot to actually kill the perpetrator(s)
b) We're well trained enough to not choke and pull the trigger
c) We're able to access our firearms before getting ourselves and everyone around us shot first

The fact remains that most, probably over 99%, of shootings in the US aren't black and white, made for television operettas.

Of course I'd shoot a couple guys in black trench coats walking the halls killing kids. Who wouldn't?

But what about the normal situations that happen every day, which are usually related to domestic violence, drug transactions or burglaries?

Keep in mind that the millisecond you start reaching for the holster you have engaged your opponent, should he see you, into a conflict which must end with one of you being shot. He assumes you will shoot him, and therefore you have to assume he'll shoot you to stop that happening.

Keep in mind that if you shoot the wrong person because you were wrong about what was going on it will be you getting rammed from behind for the remainder of your prime years.

Keep in mind, it's not self defense when you come riding in as some side-armed hero. It's one thing for a mother to shoot the pervert trying to rape her and steal her son to sell on the black market. It's another thing for you to shoot the guy on the train platform running with a purse in one hand, a pistol in the other, being chased by a screaming frantic woman. Will you really shoot him? Really? Even knowing there is a chance, no matter how slight, that you don't really know what's going on or who's just done what to whom? Are you willing to bet your freedom on it?

Oh, and then what about the next guy, who walks up the stairs only to see you, smoking gun in hand? What if he sees someone lying on the ground -- because she was scared shitless by the sudden action movie sequence and blood -- and interprets that as you having just started a killing spree?

Far fetched? Maybe. But more statistically likely than you getting lucky and happening to be sitting in just the right place at just the right time so that you have your custom-written script for pistol heroism.

Why do good savers deserve protection from the market? Life is unpredictable anyway.

You can cut to the chase Peter You sound like a liberal only interested in raiding those who work and save and passing wealth to the welfare state down to the poor who didnt bother to invest in themself. That kind of thinking died out long ago. No one is interested in your welfare state.

You are incorrect Jimbo.

Okay, Bap33, prove it. I need more than just your say-so to believe this.

Why is my previous post being held in moderation?

Pelosi is a fox for any age. Built like a real woman.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

I was thinking of selling my SKS (Russian rifle), and my 22 rifle. After following this site for a couple of years, and looking outside my window at my once very nice neighborhood deteriorating around me, I'm going to hang on to them. I'm not currently an NRA member but I put the decal by my front door. I sort of like to publicize the fact that this is not an unarmed household. I'd rather visitors to my front door think I am a gun nut than to have them read about what I nice guy I was in my obituary.

David J Says:
April 15th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
Why is my previous post being held in moderation?

Because David has 5 letters, you posted on the 15th and 2007 is 7-2 is 5. You have all the warning signs.

Astrid Says:
"I guess they’re too busy ticketing people going 20 above (even though everybody else is also going at least 15 above). "

I had the same frustration. Our local news caused the phones to ring off the hook at SDPD because they decided to go on a jay walking sweep. People were livid, and basically demanded real law enforcement. I'm tired of hearing how badly cops have it. It is so much easier to play macho cop ticketing jaywalkers, and kids with skateboards, than to actually break down the door on a meth lab.

David J,

I can't release your comment but I can see it. I tried to post for you but it didn't work. One of your words must have triggered a filter. It's not Soc1alist, so I have no idea how to help you.

I don't think guns should be outlawed and I think most mainstream liberals do not want to outlaw guns. I, for one, would just like more regulation of guns to make it a little harder for violent teenagers or criminals to get their hands on guns.

I would also like gun owners to receive mandatory gun safety training, that would cut down on eager beaver killings.

astrid etc...

Examine arizona/florida/texas etc. and try to find a case where someone with a carry concealed weapon permit committed any of the mistakes you mention in your posts... I bet you can't find a single one due to negligence or erro with someone licensed to carry a weapon. The licensing requires shooting tests, criminal background exams, legal and ethical exams etc... The decision to shoot or even get the gun out is discussed at great length.

It would help if those who criticize weapon carry laws new at least something about what they talk about...

azrob,

That's a concealed weapon permit. I was talking about gun training for any gun owner. It's a dangerous item and anyone with access to one should be properly trained.

astrid

Nowledge is a dangerous thing. Or didn't you now.

LOL! I admit that is a possibility. Some people may be slightly less dangerous if they don't know how to aim correctly.

SP

I understand the connotation. I don't particularly care for the term "media whores" either all that much either, but I can certainly understand the sentiment.

I'm just still a bit of an old fashioned boy at heart, I guess. Calling anyone a "whore" of any ilk just seems like an invitation to get yourself into a fist fight.

How about used house salesmen? That would be a pretty fair description.

How about Facilitator of Real Estate Transactions (FRET)?