patrick.net

Randy H,

If that's true, that would really be creepy. I woulda thought the Second Life die-hards were all at that convention in Chicago, trying to schtoop each other in real life.

I was reading the other day where someone suggested the re-introduction of shared appreciation mortgages as a possible avenue for sub-prime refinancing. Have SAMs been discussed here? I hadn't heard of these before, and as I presently see it their ramifications frighten me more than that of nuclear weapons.

I woulda thought the Second Life die-hards were all at that convention in Chicago, trying to schtoop each other in real life.

I think that freak convention ended last weekend. If you saw the pictures Valleywag linked, I doubt anyone was schtooping anyone else in that bunch. Let's just say that were I to have been stranded amongst that crowd I would have been looking for relief amongst the glamorous folks one finds playing D&D at a renfest.

The funniest part though was seeing people try to dress up like their game avatars. Clue: if your avatar is a 5'10" edgy supersexbombe with rad "take me from behind" tats who normally dons the kind of microskirts that make grown men weep, but you're really 380 lbs in real life, don't. Just don't, for humanity's sake, please.

Brent,

Good question. My follow up to that would be, "WHAT appreciation!?"

No seriously, the Portland Development Commission effectuated exactly that when they ignited the "loft craze" in the Rose City. These deals were structured so if they buyer held on for a full 10 years, there was no share to the city. If they sold in the 7th it was 15%, the 5th 20%, under 3, 25% of the "appreciation". In addition they were given a tax holiday for those same 10 years (paying only about $150 a month).

This worked b/c they were coming off the bottom (late 90's early 00's) but I can't imagine how that would work with vastly overpriced abodes?

The funniest part though was seeing people try to dress up like their game avatars.

Can you post some pictures?

We've all made fun of "granite countertops" around here, but look:
www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/145829.html It appears that they can truly be a "hot commodity".

Bruce,

A friend of mine at BNP Paribas in Paris is very, very concerned about the fallout from the American mortgage fiasco. She thinks it is going to cause worldwide problems. She thinks we have a real gold rush mentality to our finances here.

Also, London still seems to be in the middle of a major real estate bubble. One of my friends just bought an astoundingly expensive place in Battersea (south London) after waiting for a couple of years for the market to cool. He said he really expects the bubble to pop, but he was sick of $20,000 (!) a month rent. There seems to be a major rental bubble in London I guess. The prices sound twice as ghastly to me as they do to him because of the currency exchange.

The funniest part though was seeing people try to dress up like their game avatars. Clue: if your avatar is a 5′10″ edgy supersexbombe with rad “take me from behind” tats who normally dons the kind of microskirts that make grown men weep, but you’re really 380 lbs in real life, don’t. Just don’t, for humanity’s sake, please.

LMAO! :)

It reminds me of this (has been around for some time, so my apologies to anyone who's seen this already):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Io3W0-3uj8c

DennisN,

I have measured the radioactivity of granite countertops and they were at about twice the background when we were at about 6500ft at Squaw. They are truely a 'hot commodity'.

I saw Yiffys on a CSI or some such show. I didn't know they were real.

Randy H,

I just lost my lunch looking at those pics. Yowza!

On a serious note, therin lies the genius of Linden Labs that you must give them props for. They are mining a more or less neglected demographic, and they are sucking them dry with their business model. Gotta give them credit for that.

I guess Ron Paul is even more of a bear than I am :

http://tinyurl.com/ypy478

My eyes!!!

The Yiffys are the least offensive ones.

Looks like our own blog parties have much more grace.

SFWoman, perhaps Google/YouTube will propel Ron Paul into the White House?

@SFWoman

Sadly, Yiffys are real. One of the writers of CSI (Miami?) is very plugged into the gamer-culture. There have been a couple of episodes that touched on the darker recesses of gaming. There was one where some deviant was acting out a GTA plot.

More about "furry fanbois" can be found on Wiki, though the article mainly tries to show how normal these folk are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom

I think the subculture came out of anime/manga/hentai and found an interactive outlet in online games.

Sorry to interrupt this thread, but I just need to know what you all think.

You guys and gals might want to join in on this thread on city-data dot com; or at least see what is posted there.

I joined up and immediately started getting what they call "infractions" (de-merits?) for the wrong reasons; supposedly if you get a certain amount of these, they bann you. I put up shillers graph and they deleted it because they claim it "violates copyright" and even though I explained that it isn't a copyright violation and that it is posted all over the internet, they just ignored me and didn't respond back. I kept my posts very clean and there was no reason any of them should be removed; but they went right ahead and deleted some of them anyway.

Then they said I am getting 2 more points ("infractions") because I am violating their TOS by using my web-site name LongIslandBubble for my handle; their TOS reads:

Only one screen name is permitted per user. Your screen name may not be your email, business name or your profession, this would be advertising, and is forbidden.

I explained that the name LongIslandBubble is not an email name or a business (since I do not make any money) or a profession (bubbletition perhaps?); so I am not violating any of their TOS at least any that they haven't made up yet. :roll:

Patrick.net has always been an open-minded forum that allows both bulls and bears to interact as long as noone attacks each other. It's a shame that all forums aren't like this; especially forums like city-data dot com that only allow the bull$hitters and eliminate the bears.

I'd like to know what you think about how these biased, one-sided forums that favor the bulls over the bears by eliminating anyone who says anything negative about the housing market; even while it is obviously deteriorating. I thought these forums were about sharing information; whether it be good news or bad news as long as the information is true.

What do you all think?

What do you all think?

Just let them drink their own Kool Aid. They can do what they want. It is a free market. :)

By the way, Ron Paul is the only one worth voting for, the others are all socialists!

Just let them drink their own Kool Aid. They can do what they want. It is a free market.

Yes, but do you agree that they are conspiring against me, or do you think I am over-reacting?

Read the thread, it's a pretty good one!

In truth, I’m not sure the letter from “Linda” is genuine.
Thank you Randy, the letter is hilarious but it would be truly frightening to think of Linda as an actual Realtor.
Also, since I regularly harangue Randy about Mill Valley prices... the July DQ numbers show a 10% drop in the median home price (year over year) and a horrendous monthly drop from June -- which I suppose correlates nicely with his recent on the ground observations.
For me, the question of the hour is what will become of CAR's First-Time Homebuyers Affordability Index? Come on Obama, how about some Senate hearings on the REIC. Wouldn't you love to hears this.
Sen. Obama: Ms Appleton-Young, is it true that the California Association of Realtors recommended that first time buyers use an ARM and spend up to 40% of their income on their mortgage, taxes and insurance.
Ms. Appleton-Young: Its just an index that reflects the reality of the marketplace. Hey, we have to make a living somehow. Its not our fault. Mortgage brokers are evil. [breaks down sobbing]

I’d like to know what you think about how these biased, one-sided forums that favor the bulls over the bears by eliminating anyone who says anything negative about the housing market; even while it is obviously deteriorating. I thought these forums were about sharing information; whether it be good news or bad news as long as the information is true.

I say join them. Help them help the hype. Get everyone there to buy with 0% down and a neg am loan.

Yes, but do you agree that they are conspiring against me, or do you think I am over-reacting?

They are conspiring against reality. But that applies to all kool-aid drinkers.

Tell them to invest heavily in Detroit real estate. We're going to win in Iraq any day now and oil's going back to $5 a barrel, so Ford and GM will hire hundreds of thousands of new workers in Detroit. Tell them to hurry before word gets out!

Tell them to invest heavily in Detroit real estate. We’re going to win in Iraq any day now and oil’s going back to $5 a barrel, so Ford and GM will hire hundreds of thousands of new workers in Detroit. Tell them to hurry before word gets out!

I can't because they already suspended my account.

By the way, take a look at the last post; a fellow Long Islander who agrees with me and is telling them about a house he bought in 2002 and was lucky enough to get out in time only to just break even.

Allah,

They conspired against you. They are TERRIFIED and their arguments don't hold up well, or they wouldn't have a problem with a point of view that's different than their own. At least they didn't accuse you of being unpatriotic or aiding and giving comfort to terrorists.

Allah,

If some of those price reductions don't look frantic, I don't know what does?! Some of them came in as little as a week. (Doesn't exactly inspire confidence now does it?)

I talk regularly with an internal wholesaler for ____ firm and he is a HUGE fan of yours!

They conspired against you. They are TERRIFIED and their arguments don’t hold up well, or they wouldn’t have a problem with a point of view that’s different than their own. At least they didn’t accuse you of being unpatriotic or aiding and giving comfort to terrorists.

SFWoman,

That is confirmed now. I just realized that they also deleted the graphic of the inventory on Long Island as well as the ARM reset schedule; those were the first two graphics; you can see they replaced them with "moderator cut : personal website". It wasn't even a link to a website, I uploaded those pictures directly to the site; no those pictures are "too scawy, we can't have that here!".

It has begun. Ginnie Mae announces, "We don't need no stinkin' conforming loan limit". Its only saving grace:
Frenz said in the memo that Ginnie Mae will continue to require that the borrower's downpayment plus the amount of the VA guaranty be equal to at least 25 percent of the purchase price or the home's value, whichever is less.

"too scawy"

I've heard little children say that so many times. (Now I know how it's spelled!)

If some of those price reductions don’t look frantic, I don’t know what does?! Some of them came in as little as a week. (Doesn’t exactly inspire confidence now does it?)

DinOr,

I have thousands of these price reductions; some are as high as 30% or more and I'm not talking about sale price, I'm talking about an asking price that is still not pullin any interest!

Here's an example:
mls#1991137
614 Bayview Ave, Bellport, NY
-30.4% change from first recorded price
Asking Price $195k as of 08/24/2007
Asking Price $280k as of 08/14/2007

Tell your friend from ____ firm, thanks!

And now for something completely different:

www.cbhhomes.com/viewpage.aspx?ID=424

Corey Barton (known locally as "Hurry Build'em") was giving 6 months free mortgage payments lately in order to sell houses. Now they are going to try eBay. You can't say they aren't willing to try anything to move unsold inventory.

DennisN,

Gawd! That's funny, especially the neon "Reserve not met". And this is ID!? But... but.. bu.

The feds say housing is still going up; guess we don't have to worry about a loanowner bailout :lol:

Corey Barton (known locally as “Hurry Build’em”) was giving 6 months free mortgage payments lately in order to sell houses. Now they are going to try eBay. You can’t say they aren’t willing to try anything to move unsold inventory.

Ah, great! Always wanted a house in Idaho; I can grow potatoes in my backyard....I bit $10k!

Probably a bunch of realtor's ring bidding the price up and hoping some sheep come along.

The feds say housing is still going up; guess we don’t have to worry about a loanowner bailout

Remember the idea of the "rolling boom" in real estate? Seems like a joke now. Well, this must be the "rolling bust."

allah,

Seriously, though, between the OFHEO data you cited and the GDP data released today (yes, our economy is still healthily expanding!), I find it hard to imagine how the Fed can cut the Fed Funds rate in the face of this and other data without it being completely obvious to everyone that they are trying to bail out Wall Street.

Bendover Ben truly has a fine line to walk. We'll see how he does.

Seriously, though, between the OFHEO data you cited and the GDP data released today (yes, our economy is still healthily expanding!), I find it hard to imagine how the Fed can cut the Fed Funds rate in the face of this and other data without it being completely obvious to everyone that they are trying to bail out Wall Street.

I agree. You know, I think Bernanke is just putting this info out so he could make an excuse to not cut short term rates; I think if they start cutting those rates now, the foreigners are going to be pissed! ...and that won't sit well with the greenback.