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Tenouncetrout says

Kattie Couric publicly gunning Palin down, and that SNL bitch injecting her proposed comedy.

Are you kidding? Asking someone what newspapers they read now qualifies as gunning someone down?? What world to you live in?

Tenouncetrout says

just by controlling the majority of the media in this country.

the press, being capital, has always been owned by the wealthy. Just sayin'.

The "liberal press" is a myth that only credulous retards, lacking any ability of independent thought, swallow.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

Granted NPR does have an inherent tendency to swing left, and has to consciously counteract that. Plus of course the more educated one is the more liberal (anti-creationist, pro-choice, anti-military, pro-labor, anti-capitalist, pro-homosexual) one becomes, so there is that disconnect between media professionals and the sea of miseducated dumbassery of the hoi polloi.

You do know how insanely silly the new CPSIA (or whatever the acronym is) product safety law is right? You have local DAs/Feds openly stating they WILL go after folks selling stuff at bloody garage sales for pete's sake if they don't get stuff led tested. Books older than the 80s have to be led tested? Old clothes? It just killed smalle business and used/2nd hand stores. But hey, we have to think of the children... all because some assholes in China screwed up.

tatupu70 says

Tenouncetrout says

Kattie Couric publicly gunning Palin down, and that SNL bitch injecting her proposed comedy.

Are you kidding? Asking someone what newspapers they read now qualifies as gunning someone down?? What world to you live in?

Really, tot? Katie Couric conducted an interview with a politico who, if elected, could potentially be the leader of our country. The interview was willingly given, and you can bet your sweet ass that Palin prepared for that puppy. That Katie Couric hammered her with questions - per her job - and Palin fell far short of being able to appropriately answer, simply made it fun to watch.

and is there any difference between Tina Fey portraying Sarah Palin and Chevy Chase skewering Gerald Ford? Or, for that matter, a misc member of the SNL Cast playing a political figure? Perhaps in your mind there is, but in my mind all's fair in politics and comedy. They're interchangeable.

elliemae says

Really, tot? Katie Couric conducted an interview with a politico who, if elected, could potentially be the leader of our country. The interview was willingly given, and you can bet your sweet ass that Palin prepared for that puppy. That Katie Couric hammered her with questions - per her job - and Palin fell far short of being able to appropriately answer, simply made it fun to watch.
and is there any difference between Tina Fey portraying Sarah Palin and Chevy Chase skewering Gerald Ford? Or, for that matter, a misc member of the SNL Cast playing a political figure? Perhaps in your mind there is, but in my mind all’s fair in politics and comedy. They’re interchangeable.

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Did Katie Couric use the same approach when dealing with the Dem. party candidate?

Questions thrown at Obama were similar to throws in a batting practice. It was done for the entertainment of the audience and to make him look good. Now that the real game is on, he has been stricking out regularly.

nosf41 says

Questions thrown at Obama were similar to throws in a batting practice. It was done for the entertainment of the audience and to make him look good.

Again--what am I missing? How is "what magazines do you read" a difficult question? Not sure how the media could dumb it down any further than that. Should Katie have asked Palin her name and then stopped there? Would that have been "friendly" enough for you?

Nomograph says

nosf41 says

Now that the real game is on, he has been stricking out regularly.

He’s only striking out because they didn’t have baseball when he was a kid in Kenya, or wherever it is you insist he grew up.

Since you started the topic - this is one of the several troubling issues that the major media outlets ignored. The eligibility question never came up in his interviews. Why not? Bush was hounded by the same media for trivial issues compared to the eligibility for presidency.

To this day no proof has been presented to the public that Obama was born in the Kapiolani hospital.

Couric didn't gun down Palin. She asked simple questions and Palin was too stupid to even be able to answer those. When she tried answering the question about the bailout, same result. Btw...she was pro bailout. The woman was clueless and when John McCain selected her, he pretty much verified everyone's concerns about him. The main is old an senile. Obama is just a clueless on economics. But at least he was smart enough to get someone to prime him on Keynesianism 101 before he went out and opened his mouth.

I fondly recall Dan Rather doing his hit piece on George Bush. (For the record, I’m no fan of Bush, he was not the conservative he portrayed himself to be). Looking into the camera with deep concern and intense sincerity, Rather went on to "report" an unsubstantiated "news" item that was later easily proven to be a complete fraud. Also proven later was that Rather ran with the story without any digging on his part or his staff’s to check its validity. Was politics involved? You'd have to have an IQ in single digits to believe there wasn't. I find it hilarious that liberals think only FOX has an agenda. EVERYONE on the planet has an agenda that is formulated by their core beliefs, and the media is no exception to that rule.

The only thing I find amusing is that no one seemed to complain about Glen Beck when he was on CNN. Personally, I think the guy is just an actor pandering to an audience.

tatupu70 says

nosf41 says

Questions thrown at Obama were similar to throws in a batting practice. It was done for the entertainment of the audience and to make him look good.

Again–what am I missing? How is “what magazines do you read” a difficult question? Not sure how the media could dumb it down any further than that. Should Katie have asked Palin her name and then stopped there? Would that have been “friendly” enough for you?

The problem is in different standard applied to GOP vs Dem party candidates. When Palin made a mistake - the media attacked and ridiculed her.

When Obama mentioned his "muslim faith" in an interview, Stephanopulos corrected him immediately. Did SNL make any jokes about Obama visiting 57 states during his presidential campaign?

Most of the main stream media actively participated in electing Obama not just covering elections.

nosf41 says

The problem is in different standard applied to GOP vs Dem party candidates. When Palin made a mistake - the media attacked and ridiculed her.

I thonk it's more a difference in your perception. You're inherently biased, so you see things with that viewpoint...

That would be a great plot for a Stephen King novel.

Not for nothing...I can't stand Obama and I think he'll take the cake for worst president ever. But Sarah Palin wasn't given a tough interview by Couric. The reason she came off so bad was because she simply couldn't answer the easiest questions on the face of the planet. It was an easy interview and she failed miserably. If Republicans want to win a presidential election, they should nominate a respectable candidate who knows what he is talking about. Do you honestly think someone like Congressman Ron Paul would have difficulty in answering any of those questions? What did Fox News do? Exclude him from the debates after Fox's own viewers voted him the winner of the first debate.

theoakman says

I think he’ll take the cake for worst president ever

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He's got a hard act to follow for that honor.

Troy says

theoakman says

I think he’ll take the cake for worst president ever

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He’s got a hard act to follow for that honor.

I know. He's not far behind. Obama right now is George Bush with some additional spending for repaving our roads. Wall St. is more heavily subsidized right now than under Bush. The 2 wars? The Dems have been gutless there as well. You would think that they would get around to repealing the patriot act with their super majority. Nope... I could name a million other things but I'll let his record speak for itself.

Nomograph says

Generally speaking, I only accuse shadows of being AM talk radio junkies when they repeat, word for word, what they hear on AM talk radio without any attempt to analyze or comprehend the message beyond “libs are destroying America.”.

I find it interesting that liberals know so much about what is said on AM talk radio and yet, they almost never listen to it. This fact is proven over and over again by simply asking them to name specifics, i.e. who said it, what exactly was said, when it was said, etc. Whenever I ask for specifics, I'm always met with stunned silence, and then a "everything that comes out of his mouth is hate" blah blah blah

the more educated one is the more liberal (anti-creationist, pro-choice, anti-military, pro-labor, anti-capitalist, pro-homosexual) one becomes, so there is that disconnect between media professionals and the sea of miseducated dumbassery of the hoi polloi.

Educated does not equal liberal. Educated people cover the full political spectrum, from far right to far left, and everywhere in between.

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I read through the decision. I believe that the court could have made a ruling on this case under more narrow grounds, and did not need to overturn 2 U. S. C. §441b in its entirety.

The bigger issues is to whom does the first amendment apply?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Based on a strict interpretation of the above, one could argue that a corporation has the same right to free speech that an individual does. My personal opinion is that despite the lack of specificity in the above amendment, many other aspects of the constitution, from the preamble to the amendments that follow the first, relate specifically to the people. Thus one can infer that the freedoms granted in the first amendment were granted to individuals, rather than corporate entities.

Besides, what is a corporation but a collection of people. If the board of a large corporation wants to promote an agenda, let the individuals of said board donate from their own personal resources as they deem appropriate.

In short, although I can understand the mindset from which the ruling was made, I do not agree with it. If we are students of history, perhaps a review of the guilded age is in order.

Why can't polticians simply ignore this ruling and refuse to take contributions from any corporation such as Candidate Obama did. Wait, I might be wrong on that. LOL

Nomograph says

RayAmerica, superhero defender of the US, slaying liberals over and over with a single question!

I'm glad you at least recognize talent when you see it. Thank you.

theoakman says

Not for nothing…I can’t stand Obama and I think he’ll take the cake for worst president ever. But Sarah Palin wasn’t given a tough interview by Couric. The reason she came off so bad was because she simply couldn’t answer the easiest questions on the face of the planet. It was an easy interview and she failed miserably. If Republicans want to win a presidential election, they should nominate a respectable candidate who knows what he is talking about. Do you honestly think someone like Congressman Ron Paul would have difficulty in answering any of those questions? What did Fox News do? Exclude him from the debates after Fox’s own viewers voted him the winner of the first debate.

I find it quite odd that someone who is cleaning up the fecal matter left behind is the one to blame. There has been a 20 year build up since the deregulation of the S&L industry that has caused these issues. How many times have we seen Conservative Republicans deregulate an industry in attempt to spur business yet when the blowback occurs we the people put a Democrat in office who has to spend tax dollars to fix the issues furthering the stigma that Democrats love to spend.

If Republicans were still in the office do you really think we wouldnt have bailed out the banks or GM?

4X says

If Republicans were still in the office do you really think we wouldnt have bailed out the banks or GM?

Just as a point of fact-TARP was passed under GW Bush

Kattie asked her about the "Bush Doctrine"

There was no doctrine, it was just a spoiled daddies boy, giving the country away to corporations and Oil Companies. No political doctrine here, just in plain sight theivery here.
Kattie leading with that question would be like her asking Mel Gibson, "Why are you Jew hatting miserable son of a bitch?"

It was a baited question that impressed liberals more than anyone else.

I think the fact that every candidate was running on a "Reform" platform, said enough about what both parties thought of the Bush doctrine.

Hell Obama loves it so much, he's embraced it and is following to the letter. Maybe your supreme interviewer should have asked Obama that same question.

Gosh liberals are so easy to marginalize. Give them enough time they'll do it to them selves.

TOT--

You're still seriously spouting this ridiculousness? She was running for Vice President with the oldest candidate ever. She was one heart attack away from the Presidency. And you think she was jobbed by Katie Couric??? How do you think she would fare against Putin, or Chavez, or Kim Jong?

She was and is an intellectual lightweight with no business in serious politics.

"she would fare against Putin, or Chavez, or Kim Jong?"

I'm more worried about the Monsters in Washington, you can't be spouting the same boogie man shit, that has put us in every unwarranted war since 1945, you sound like your trying to tow the Regan line with the liberal agenda.

Pick a stance and stick with it, that way I can respect you.

4X says

theoakman says

Not for nothing…I can’t stand Obama and I think he’ll take the cake for worst president ever. But Sarah Palin wasn’t given a tough interview by Couric. The reason she came off so bad was because she simply couldn’t answer the easiest questions on the face of the planet. It was an easy interview and she failed miserably. If Republicans want to win a presidential election, they should nominate a respectable candidate who knows what he is talking about. Do you honestly think someone like Congressman Ron Paul would have difficulty in answering any of those questions? What did Fox News do? Exclude him from the debates after Fox’s own viewers voted him the winner of the first debate.

I find it quite odd that someone who is cleaning up the fecal matter left behind is the one to blame. There has been a 20 year build up since the deregulation of the S&L industry that has caused these issues. How many times have we seen Conservative Republicans deregulate an industry in attempt to spur business yet when the blowback occurs we the people put a Democrat in office who has to spend tax dollars to fix the issues furthering the stigma that Democrats love to spend.
If Republicans were still in the office do you really think we wouldnt have bailed out the banks or GM?

Obama is continuing all of Bush's policies. Same foreign policy. Same domestic policy. Same military budget. Same violation of civil liberties. And no, he is not fixing a single thing. All that stimulus money is going to special interests.

As far as bailing out banks goes, I'm not sure why you think I'm a Republican. I can't stand 99% of them. And newsflash, Republicans were in office when they bailed out the banks and GM. They voted in unison with Barack Obama.

theoakman says

Obama is continuing all of Bush’s policies. Same foreign policy. Same domestic policy. Same military budget. Same violation of civil liberties. And no, he is not fixing a single thing. All that stimulus money is going to special interests

So you're saying he's not a Socialist, wealth transferring pinko then?

WTF do you need 3000sf for? Sounds like you have really thought this through...homesteading, in a "monster log cabin" lol....

Sounds good to me.
You need a lot of storage when you are out in the boonies.

tatupu70 says

theoakman says

Obama is continuing all of Bush’s policies. Same foreign policy. Same domestic policy. Same military budget. Same violation of civil liberties. And no, he is not fixing a single thing. All that stimulus money is going to special interests

So you’re saying he’s not a Socialist, wealth transferring pinko then?

Wealth transferring? Yes. Socialist? No. If he were a socialist, he would be distributing that money to the poor. He continues to subsidize Wall St and the military industrial complex. The only distinguishing feature I can come up with is that Obama is willing to employ some construction workers to build a few more bridges to no where.

I’d be glad to be out of the city

Really? I miss riding my bike around a big city like I did in LA & Tokyo. Much fun.

Cities aren't so bad -- Chipotle, Target, Costco. . .

My go-to place is either Bellingham or up in the Santa Cruz mountains somewhere. I like trees. And Costco is easy to get to on Highway 9. Plus the ocean is real close.

One of my personal role models, an ex-Atari guy, sold up in San Jose and moved out into the Nevada boonies, 10 miles out of Reno. Awfully lonely out there, looks like.

I thought TOT's post said "boobies" and not "boonies" ... had to share the laugh. lol

Once I was online, I typed "I want 1800sf 3/2 home on 0.25 acre at $350K. No bigger than that because I hate to mow the lawn". The guy on the other side of screen typed back "WTF man. I paid 100K for 4000sf house, 10 acres of land. I love horse riding"

Do you have water rights? Have you checked into the cost of drilling a well? Depending upon how deep you have to go, you would be amazed at how expensive it could be. As would be solar power.

Storage does not have to be under a homes roof. Storage can and should be a nice, steel building that requires little maintenance.

For true "homesteading" IMO one would be foolish to build too big a home. The bigger the home, the more fuel or energy you need to heat or cool, the larger the roof and roof maintenance, the more windows, doors and interior space that needs maintenance. A good homestead would have a smaller, energy efficient house with several outbuildings.

A couple of things:

1. This won't change all that much. It just means the companies won't have to launder their money through quite as many PACs as they do today.

2. Who is going to gain power anyway? Wall Street banks and energy companies already control the government.

3. We've been here before, and when shit got bad enough we enacted the laws that the SCOTUS was ruling on in the first place.

We should be more concerned about the fact that 65% of people don't even vote than we are which giant media conglomorates (yeah, Fox is owned by News Corp, but CNN is owned by time warner and MSNBC is owned by Comcast). Do you guys even realize how few people actually even pay attention to so-called "mainstream" news outlets? People threw a shit fit because the state of the union speech was going to conflict with the season premiere of Lost.

Quite frankly, almost all politicians, whether they be Republican, Democrat, or one of the bullshit assholes that calls themselves "Independent" despite agreeing with 100% of the agenda of the major parties, neither know nor care about fixing problems in America.

What we need are term limits (I'm in favor of single, 8 year terms for congress and presidency), and a strong movement towards de politicizing the position of President (which will automatically de politicize the supreme court). The best way to de politicize the presidency is to remove some of the ridiculous powers accumulated since WWII and give them back to states and congress where they belong. Citizen funded elections might help here generally, though that's not going to fix everything.

Lastly, everyone really needs to settle down. Nobody is "ruining" the country nor are we all doomed. Please kill yourself now if you honestly think that's the case. We're in a very deep recession and shit will be bad until we get out of it. No politician has or will ever end a recession like this through domestic policy.

Kevin, if you understand all of that, then what you need to understand is...

What we need is the politicians that gives all of the other politicians Mental Wedgies and makes them crap their pants. That person may not be perceived as the "best person" for the people and their media fabricated agendas. In fact that person would person would be antithesis of those agendas. Such as tough stance on Russia and Terrorists, they are not our threat, Corporate America Inc. is the biggest threat to America today.

Now ask your self, "Who fits that bill?"

Then Mention Sarah Palin around a bunch of Pig Men, then watch for puddles that collect around your feet.

Was it raining, or did they wet themselves laughing at her? ;o

Sorry, couldn't resist...

Joke all you want, she gives the standard politician in Washington hives.

If that doesn't attract you, then you deserve every bold faced lying politician that stole every nickle you bent over to give them.

Tenouncetrout says

Kevin, if you understand all of that, then what you need to understand is…
What we need is the politicians that gives all of the other politicians Mental Wedgies and makes them crap their pants. That person may not be perceived as the “best person” for the people and their media fabricated agendas. In fact that person would person would be antithesis of those agendas. Such as tough stance on Russia and Terrorists, they are not our threat, Corporate America Inc. is the biggest threat to America today.
Now ask your self, “Who fits that bill?”
Then Mention Sarah Palin around a bunch of Pig Men, then watch for puddles that collect around your feet.

You think Sarah Palin is a threat to Corporate America? She's working for one of the largest, most politically active corporations in the world. Nothing that she has ever done suggests that she's any different from any of the other 600 lying, conniving bastards that run the country.

I imagine that politicians are afraid of her in the same sense that any sane person would be -- that she might get mad that someone made fun of her and start WWIII over it.