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7303   Michinaga   2011 Jun 5, 6:56am  

Get a Mac, and hold down the option key while pressing R.

7304   elliemae   2011 Jun 5, 6:58am  

Michinaga says

Get a Mac, and hold down the option key while pressing R.

hahaha. My daughter makes fun of my pc all the time.

7305   PasadenaNative   2011 Jun 5, 7:06am  

® Easy on the Mac...®!

7306   Michinaga   2011 Jun 5, 7:10am  

Ellie, I love my Mac because I can type *anything*: hačeks, ümlauts*, çedillas; you name it!

¡Viva Mac!

(The word umlaut doesn't actually have an umlaut in it. Büt it shöuld.)

7307   Â¥   2011 Jun 5, 7:29am  

shrekgrinch says

That’s what happens when the country is run on a national policy of pissing on the value of the dollar

This country desperately needs a weaker dollar so we can get some exports going again.

Problem is we can't afford the more expensive oil that comes with a weaker dollar.

Gold *should* be at least $2000 -- that would give our wage labor a 30% comparative boost vs the ROW.

Failing that, we should just start erecting trade barriers against countries with large surpluses against us, relative to the size of the surplus.

Or we could go with a stronger dollar and see productive goods-producing employment continue to crater, and our capacity either going unused or exported to the cheap labor countries.

But these trade deficits are unsustainable. Something's going to have to give here.

7308   elliemae   2011 Jun 5, 7:31am  

Apocolypsefuck, will you please delete the article except for the first paragraph and put a link to the site where you found it?

There's a company called Righthaven that's suing for, and winning, thousands of dollars in damages. We like being here, and would hate to have to help Patrick raise $20k or more to defend a lawsuit.

Thanks.PasadenaNative says

® Easy on the Mac…®!

Michinaga says

¡Viva Mac!

Rub it in! I can take it! But next time I'm buying a Mac. ;)

7309   B.A.C.A.H.   2011 Jun 5, 7:35am  

Troy says

we can’t afford the more expensive oil that comes with a weaker dollar

Baloney. Bubba can just park the SUV in the driveway more often and drive his smaller car instead more often.

And Bubba can carpool. Besides spending less on gasoline, he'll be spending less on wear and tear.

Bubba can lose a little weight so that higher temps will be more tolerable, so he can turn down the AC. Or maybe even turn it off and get some fresh air for a change.

Problem solved.

7310   B.A.C.A.H.   2011 Jun 5, 8:04am  

Hey shrek,

how many voters are you minting?

7311   Â¥   2011 Jun 5, 8:05am  

sybrib says

Problem solved.

except for cross-country airfares.

Maybe airlines should charge by the pound, say $500 plus $2 per pound of stuff you're putting on the plane, including yourself.

7312   B.A.C.A.H.   2011 Jun 5, 8:12am  

I don't think the quality of life in North America was worse when only the elite could afford air travel.

Some people would argue those were halcyon days when a working class family could live comfortably on one income.

Except for medical flights, and an unfortunate sudden need to travel to a funeral, airline transport is discretionary. That'd include business travel, too. Why else do businesses "clamp down" on travel as the first cost reduction measure? Corporations with global reach did very well, thank you very much, in the days of yore when only the very top management traveled by air. And that was before video conferencing.

We could have well over 90% of commercial aviation operations cease and be no worse off for it. Except for the airline employees and leisure travel destinations like Hawaii.

7313   B.A.C.A.H.   2011 Jun 5, 8:15am  

shrekgrinch says

I am not minting any

Ceratinly not enough for the demographics to sustain your politics in the future.

Same for Europe.

We're not too many generations away from knowing it as "The Islamic Republic of Europe".

7314   elliemae   2011 Jun 5, 8:37am  

shrekgrinch says

This entire posting is ridiculous. And who cares what the morons in SF do to themselves? This is only dangerous if enacted at the state level, INMO. The people of SF get what they deserve for being as wacked-up as their politicians.

We all know that legislation at the local level never finds its way to state and federal politics. And that each person in SF supports every piece of legislation there, just as every person who lives in Fremont supports every piece of legislation that emanates from there.

Just curious, shrek. Is it because you aren't directly affected by the proposed legislation that you deemed it to be "ridiculous," or is it because you can't make this a political issue?

The forum is Miscellaneous, and not "What Shrek believes is important."

shrekgrinch says

And last time I checked, many circumcisions don’t have to be performed right after the brat is popped out.

Kudos on your compassion, shrek.

7315   joshuatrio   2011 Jun 5, 8:49am  

Great find !

7316   PasadenaNative   2011 Jun 5, 9:09am  

Excellent.

7317   elliemae   2011 Jun 5, 11:45am  

Thank you for the change, and for the warning. Perhaps a visual of a maggot gagging would be appropriate here. (kidding!)

Evil fucking Righthaven has set a precedent, altho it's getting it's comeuppance in court I do believe.

7318   MisdemeanorRebel   2011 Jun 5, 11:54am  

That warmed the cockles of my heart.

More, please!

Anybody wanna bet this cash-paid home is probably listed as a piece of some MBS somewhere?

7319   Done!   2011 Jun 5, 12:27pm  

Fight Schmegla Circumcise.

7320   Done!   2011 Jun 5, 12:30pm  

That's gotta be an urban legend.

7321   elliemae   2011 Jun 5, 1:10pm  

not according to the interwebs:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/05/homeowners-foreclose-on-bank-of-america_n_871540.html

Guess they shoulda paid up like the courts said to

7322   StoutFiles   2011 Jun 5, 1:13pm  

RightHaven and others can only sue if Patrick were to ignore a DCMA letter or other communication. However, it's best to just paraphrase.

7323   Poop Deck   2011 Jun 5, 1:16pm  

@patrick @thunderlips11 and others

I'm late to this party, and this is off topic, but I need to clear something up with regards to the often misunderstood topic of intellectual property (IP) that was brought up early in the thread.

"In fact, all this IP enforcement is costing the taxpayers untold sums, not to mention the unseen costs of products not coming to market that would make their lives easier/more efficient, due to legal battles."

The government does not spend any money on enforcing IP because the government does NOT enforce any kind of IP rights. That enforcement is the responsibility of the holder of the patent, copyright, etc. The government issues patents (which have a term of only 20 years), but that does not cost taxpayers anything either. The Patent Office is 100% funded by the fees those seeking patent protection pay in the process of obtaining a patent.

Yes, patents give a limited monopoly to an owner. But the public receives in return a disclosure of the technology. The disclosure is valuable, as it can provide a basis for further research and innovation. Without disclosure, the public would not benefit from secret knowledge. A monopoly sounds bad, but it promotes innovation. Without some sort of guarantee that an idea will be protected, what would drive people to invent new things? China has weak IP protection, and while they are good at stealing ours, they do not do much to create new technology.

Anyway, sorry for the off-topic post.

7324   elliemae   2011 Jun 5, 1:27pm  

Actually, Righthaven is skipping the letter and going right for the suits. It's rather interesting - they've shut down several blogs and received thousands of dollars in payments. The history of Righthaven, which is an arm of the LV RJ newspaper, is chronicled in the Sun (competing newspaper).

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/feb/12/righthaven-files-first-judgment-motion-demands-cas/

Common practices are to send a letter demanding the offending content is removed, but they skip that part. It's sleezy. And the Denver Post is using them too.

7325   B.A.C.A.H.   2011 Jun 5, 2:08pm  

shrekgrinch says

the brat

"ewww picky poo! Children!"

You might like living in SF with all those ChildLess Hipsters who dote on their dogs but "aren't into the kid thing".

7326   simchaland   2011 Jun 5, 2:41pm  

This is just the latest in anti-semitic legislation. Sweden outlawed circumcision years ago. Basically in Sweden, the main group of people circumcising their infant male children were and are Jews. Some Muslims practice this tradition too. So the legislation was against all semites, Arab and Jew alike. Swedes would deny this against all evidence to the contrary, chiefly that the practice there is done almost exclusively amongst Jews and Muslims.

I participated in another forum where there was a strong anti-circumcision contingent. They claim that the practice is cruel. They also claim that the health benefits haven't been proven in unbiased research. They claim that male circumcision is equivalent to female circumcision. They choose to ignore obvious differences in anatomy. Also they claim that there is a huge reduction in sensitivity for the boy who will miss it when the "victim" becomes a sexually active man. They claim that the glans which isn't meant to be exposed 100% of the time becomes progressively less sensitive as it scars from exposure over time. Many men who were in that group claim to be victims and that they remember the terrible pain they experienced as an infant and they attribute their emotional and mental problems to having been circumcised against their will as infants. Very few have legitimate anger over having had a botched circumcision and wish to outlaw the practice to prevent anyone else from being disfigured even though there is such a tiny miniscule percentage that are disfigured and that it's always due to medical malpractice. In short, I've heard it all.

Also there are self-hating Jews who are anti-circumcision activists. They claim that it's an unnecessary, outdated, and cruel tradition and they point to the many laws and customs that we Jews no longer observe like stoning adulterers as an equivalent example.

They interviewed a few San Franciscan Rabbis and Mohelim (Jewish ritual circumcisers) who pointed out the fact that many ancient authorities like the Greeks and Romans and Medieval Europeans banned the practice as a way to oppress their Jews into non-existence. Jews have maintained this commandment as a central defining sign of male Jewishness and Covenant for milennia. Do San Franciscans really think that Jews will abandon the practice in the face of a fine or prison time when Jews have faced death for performing their traditions in other cultures?

The anti-circumcision folks want to claim that they are anti-cruelty and not anti-semitic. It's just an attempt to dress up their anti-semitism in modern disguise. Frankly I'm disgusted that this has made it to the ballot but I'm not surprised. San Francisco is a major center for the anti-circ movement. Last time I checked, freedom of religion is protected in the US Constitution.

7327   marcus   2011 Jun 5, 3:00pm  

simchaland says

This is just the latest in anti-semitic legislation

I don't buy that. I think that in this particular case you are playing the classic jewish role of seeing antisemitism beyond that which exists.

In my day in the area where I grew up, there was a fairly small jewish population, but everyone (males) in my age group I mean everyone (at least 95%) were circumcised.

In the 1950s it was considered standard procedure. Slowly it has decreased because some thought it doesn't serve a purpose in modern times or for whatever reason. OR even because of theories about it affecting sexual experience of adults. I guess now recent science suggests that it does have health benefits, even in modern times.

I don't have an opinion on which is better and I'm circumcised, and I certainly think the idea of making it illegal is absurd, but Antisemitism ? Give me a break.

By the way, even if it was illegal - that is no longer done in hospitals as a default procedure, and even if there were a city law, it surely wouldn't stop jews from having their Brit milah. So if you think about it, what you are saying is that non jews no longer being allowed to be circumsised for non religious reasons is antisemetic.

7328   simchaland   2011 Jun 5, 3:08pm  

Marcus, let's agree to disagree. Liberals are just as anti-semitic as conservatives. Non Jews always claim that Jews believe that anti-semitism is more wide spread than it actually is. If you never have to experience anti-semitism yourself I can guarantee you that won't always be able to see it when it is happening. It's not happening to you, so why would you see it?

And this ballot measure makes Brit Milah illegal. It makes no distinction between hospital/medical circumcision and Brit Milah.

7329   elliemae   2011 Jun 5, 3:12pm  

It does appear to me (as an outsider - of calif) that this is targeted toward a population that specifically circumcises their young. Why else would it be outlawed? It's only an issue with the Jewish faith.

7330   marcus   2011 Jun 5, 3:12pm  

Maybe the real source of the law is rabbis who feel that they are missing out on what used to be a decent little source of income.

7331   simchaland   2011 Jun 5, 3:14pm  

Marcus, you just don't understand. It's not happening to you. This law does outlaw Brit Milah. Brit Milah is not done to get income. Posting that shows your ignorance of the importance of this ritual to Jews.

7332   marcus   2011 Jun 5, 3:20pm  

simchaland says

If you never have to experience anti-semitism yourself I can guarantee you that won’t always be able to see it when it is happening. It’s not happening to you, so why would you see it?

Maybe my being a nonjew who is circumcised and who understands the degree to which in this country circumcision is not particularly a jewish phenomenon, enables me to see how totally silly your point of view is.

If circumcision was highly correleated to being jewish then you might be on to something. In my age group, in this country, knowing that a man is circumcised tells you absolutely nothing about his religion.

You have it backwards. Only by not being jewish can I tell how ridiculous you sound on this one.

7333   marcus   2011 Jun 5, 3:21pm  

simchaland says

Marcus, you just don’t understand. It’s not happening to you. This law does outlaw Brit Milah.

How can they outlaw what is done in a private residence. There are probably a few states that outlaw certain sexual practices. Have you heard of these being enforced?

Remember, I agree the law is insane, I just don't buy that it's antisemetic.

7334   marcus   2011 Jun 5, 3:24pm  

elliemae says

It’s only an issue with the Jewish faith.

Wrong. Everyone used to be circumcised in this country. Many doctors and hospital still do it by default. When many doctors started asking, I guess this led to a decrease, but this was standard, and most non jewish fathers are circumcised. I can't believe I'm in this conversation, just letting you know how silly you sound Simcha.

7335   simchaland   2011 Jun 5, 3:30pm  

Marcus, there is a big difference for Non-Jews. It's not part of your religion so why would you care if it's outlawed? Non-Jews really shouldn't need to circumcise. It's a choice for you as it is now.

Brit Milah, which this ballot measure seeks to make a crime, is a central Jewish Tradition and a Commandment. It's a sign of our Covenant with God. It's not just a simple chosen medical procedure like it is for a non-Jew. It has profoundly deep meaning for Jews.

To claim that this ballot measure is only about anti-cruelty is dishonest. It specifically makes it a crime for Jewish San Franciscans to practice their religion. It is that serious.

That you can't undestand this is natural because your circumcision was a medical procedure and has no meaning beyond that. In an allegedly culturally sensitive place like San Francisco, this ballot measure is openly and brazenly culturally blind at the very least.

7336   elliemae   2011 Jun 5, 3:31pm  

But outlawing the practice feels like the jewish faith is targeted. Sure, many others do it. But they wouldn't if it were outlawed... it's crazy that the govt would want to outlaw it.

There are crazy laws out there.

7337   simchaland   2011 Jun 5, 3:31pm  

The fact that you believe I sound silly shows just how culturally insensitive you are in this case, Marcus.

7338   marcus   2011 Jun 5, 3:32pm  

simchaland says

Posting that shows your ignorance of the importance of this ritual to Jews.

I was kidding. But I would be somewhat surprised if some kind of payment weren't customary. Priests don't marry or baptize people for money either, but that doesn't stop the practice of giving a gift or donation or whatever you want to call it.

simchaland says

The fact that you believe I sound silly shows just how culturally insensitive you are in this case, Marcus.

I get it. You can't consider that you might be wrong.

7339   simchaland   2011 Jun 5, 3:38pm  

marcus says

simchaland says

Posting that shows your ignorance of the importance of this ritual to Jews.

I was kidding. But I would be somewhat surprised if some kind of payment weren’t customary. Priests don’t marry or baptize people for money either, but that doesn’t stop the practice of giving a gift or donation or whatever you want to call it.

Your comment wasn't even close to humor. It was highly insensitive.

Of course there is a donation involved. Almost every religion has a custom of compensating providers of religious services. Receiving a compensation isn't the reason most religious providers choose to follow a calling to service in most religions.

7340   elliemae   2011 Jun 5, 3:39pm  

Marcus, sure - he might be wrong. But having been on the receiving end of anti-semitism, I can tell you that it didn't make me feel warm & squishy inside.

It's the kind of thing you don't forget - it's too personal not to feel the burn.

7341   marcus   2011 Jun 5, 3:39pm  

simchaland says

To claim that this ballot measure is only about anti-cruelty is dishonest. It specifically makes it a crime for Jewish San Franciscans to practice their religion. It is that serious.

I understand that from a jewish perspective it's more offensive and more crazy (by the way it will never pass), and yes I guess beyond insensitive, ignorant or intolerant. But I just can't see that it targets jews. Is it not possible that some think it is just really unnatural and wrong ?

As you even said, they must know that the practice would not change for jews. The one difference I can think of is that maybe some barely practicing jews, who previously just had the hospital do it, will now have to do the true religious procedure if they want it done.

7342   simchaland   2011 Jun 5, 3:41pm  

Marcus, you claim that I can't consider that I might be wrong. To paraphrase a famous Jew who Non-Jews follow, you may want to look at the plank in your own eye.

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