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bullshit

clambo says

bullshit

Clearly a Fox viewer.

I put about as much weight in any what any .edu, says about Fox, about as much as Fox would say about that .edu.

Though it takes a special lot to listen to a fool dress them as "Nation" as well doesn't it? Is Colbert's Nation informed?

Fox News repeatedly sells gloom and doom and preaches about hyperinflation so that their viewers will buy gold. Incidentally, gold companies are their #1 advertiser. I am sure there is ZERO connection between the stories Fox airs and their constant gold commercials. In fact, the main gold company that advertises on Fox, Goldline, was recently charged with fraud.

The study seems a little lacking to me. A few problems leap out to me:
1) some sources fall under multiple categories, ie local news broadcasts and national news broadcasts (fox would fall under these two categories in addition to the fox news category, and perhaps others would as well)
2) the scope of the questions is very limited, it's hard to draw any broad conclusions about how informed a news source makes them from so few topics. It could be that (eg, making this up) conservatives are more concerned about local politics and watch fox news more; even if fox gave superior coverage, they would know less due to being less interested
3) ~600 New Jersey people polled. Smallish sample size (not too small though), but just people in New Jersey.

All that said, I've watched Fox news enough to know that they only claim to be 'Fair and Balanced' to irritate people who actually care about fair and balanced news reporting. Fox is all about indoctrination and their agenda is hardly a secret. Fox news lies on such a regular basis that it boggles my mind that there people who have not yet caught onto it. Anyone who doubts this can simply watch the numerous youtube videos that literally expose lies using nothing but Fox News clips:
fox news lies youtube google search:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=c1G&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=fox+news+lies+youtube&oq=fox+news+lies+youtube&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=204190l206564l0l206681l21l14l0l5l5l0l420l1881l1.3.3.1.1l9l0

Lie after lie after lie after outright obvious lie. Anyone on this forum or anywhere else who defends fox news lacks the integrity or sufficient interest in the truth to simply check a few videos. One you start, it's hard to stop - there are just so many documented outright lies with an obvious agenda that it's unbelievable. Surely it is time we create laws to put people like this in jail.

Not that this necessarily proves much (the videos do that), but the above search yields "About 23,500,000 results", according to google. It's an unnecessarily specific search, though, since it includes the word youtube.

Let's take that out and do a simple comparison ...
"lies on fox news" - 50 million results
"herpes" - 44 million results

My humorous conclusion from that: Lies on fox news are a bigger problem for human kind than herpes. At least there appear to be more documented cases.

You've just explained America's lack of Journalism integrity.
That is not just a Fox phenomenon.

CNN that has spent that last three years ignoring anything about the GOP, unless they are bitching about the GOP hindering Obama's vision of a Unicorn Fart powered Utopia society.
Are now seasoned GOP presidential campaign annalists.

Like what's the point for CNN to write about the GOP race, or even opine who is the front, and who is on the rise? Wag the Dog much?

I know Fox is a liar but what am ...

The GOP says

Is Colbert's Nation informed?

Compared to Fox News viewers? Hell yes!
Compared to PBS listeners? No.

Here's the thing about Fox News. They deliberately lie about shit all the time. And the lies they tell aren't sophisticated. They really stupid, transparent lies.

Ironically, Jon Stewart most effectively demonstrates this point. Perhaps that why The Daily Show and The Colbert Report are so popular. Although they don't do detailed analysis, they do call bullshit on the "serious" news stations.

Embedding videos from someplace other than YouTube is not working, so here's the link.

One who spends Sunday morning watching news (be it Fox or CNN) is a moron by definition.

michaelsch says

One who spends Sunday morning watching news (be it Fox or CNN) is a moron by definition.

Sunday mornings I'm usually doing the Walk of Shame -- well, actually, I do the Walk of Awesomeness cause why would I be embarrassed?

obviously a lot of MSNBC kool aid drinkers here

Sunday morning news shows are a complete waste of time. The only news that could possibly be of any value to anyone who has to put on pants at some point during the day is:

a) the local weather report
b) traffic
c) can't think of much else.

Seriously, the news is the journalistic equivalent of fast food or sugar cereals.

Matt.BayArea says

Let's take that out and do a simple comparison ...
"lies on fox news" - 50 million results
"herpes" - 44 million results

My humorous conclusion from that: Lies on fox news are a bigger problem for human kind than herpes. At least there appear to be more documented cases.

You do know you have to enclose phrases in quotation marks when you do a Google search, right? So the phrase "lies on fox news" actually generates only 17K hits, not 50M.

I don't watch fox news but since when has the media ever been trusted these days?

The news used to be professional..I'd say maybe until the mid 80's or so. Then we had some tabloid shows come around (current affair), CNN was THE channel to watch for the gulf war and cable expanded en masse.

Networks changed ownership and dictated how some of the content would go. For example GE bought NBC from RCA...anything critical of GE was gutted from NBC. Even liberal group FAIR stated this 20 or so years ago
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1510

Harvey Pikar was censored for trying to go on Letterman about the boycott as well
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1879231_1879160_1879315,00.html (have to admit the thought bubble w/ donuts was funny as hell)

ABC is owned by Disney. Anything critical of disney is not aired on ABC

CBS used to be owned by Westinghouse which was also a defense contractor (along with GE).

There were liberal groups that correctly said that the first Gulf war was like the networks putting on a trade show that just happened to involve people dying in it! This was illustrated by the parody Iraq campaign 1991
http://boingboing.net/2009/07/28/iraq-campaign-1991-b.html

The NYT was the court of record..well until Jason Blair wrote articles without even going and talking to people. It got so bad that during the beltway sniper he was saying things totally false..outright lies and was fired for it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

If you examine reporting performed a few decades ago it appears to have actual attention and real reporting. Here's a bit from the early 80's from ABC
http://www.youtube.com/embed/slUZdNddjPE

On the same level one could say commercials were better back then..they were much longer than today. I don't think I've seen a commercial longer than 30 seconds in the past 12 years.

Now Comcast owns NBC..which also includes CNBC and MSNBC. They also own the regional new england station NECN..anything critical of comcast frankly is not going to air...

So to argue that Fox News is bad..yeah...but the rest of the media can be just as bad. Ralph Nader even said that we don't have local news anymore. a 30 minute block is really around 22 minutes. Subtract some sports, subtract the weather and the "teaser" for it. Then subtract anything with violence and frankly there's nothing really left. Newspapers..lets see. Take away the wire reports, classified ads, obituaries, actual ads, sports, op ed...and there's really nothing left.

Dan8267 says

Sunday mornings I'm usually doing the Walk of Shame -- well, actually, I do the Walk of Awesomeness cause why would I be embarrassed?

You could be getting secret Faux news updates on your smartphone. How would we know?

Well, the results are what one would expect them to be. I mean if a person never watches the news, but also never watches the Fox Channel, then the person has some chance of being right about some current events, especially if they glance at headlines before turning to the sports and TV sections. But they also have a good chance of being wrong. This is because they have no information (nor misinformation, for that matter).

A person who never watches a news program but does watch the Fox Cable Channel will, of course, be very wrong about current events since, unlike the person described the above (who watches neither the news nor Fox) this person has been listening to misinformation and deliberating misleading opinion. In the absence of everything else, the person only hears misinformation so, therefore, what the person would, not only be clueless about current events, the person would be almost guaranteed to WRONG about current events and other topics.

Nevertheless, even though a reasonable and logical person would conclude this, they can't be sure without testing the assumption. The FDU study's purpose was to confirm (or disprove) the hypothesis. The hypothesis was proven (not suprisingly).