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guys, everyone knows it is the liberal/progressive/leftist side of the mind that does stupid stuff that feels good. Dope smoking, for example. Welfare, invasion of mexicans, and not keeping score in youth sports. Those who want an equal result, and not an equal chance, are working from feeling and not from thought. I'm pretty sure I go with the thought process with an anchor based on the moral absolutes that I understand from God's Word, and the moral absolutes that Hamilton, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, and Co wrote down. I'm not perfect, but in persuit of perfection I will find greatness - right?

So far, Beck is 100% correct, until you take apart something that he put together and published as fact, he stays 100% correct. You are just attacking him out of feelings and emotion!! lol . It is time to do some homework fellas .. go prove Beck wrong on the facts he has posted in the past 6 months ... ready, go!!

Bap33 says

So far, Beck is 100% correct, until you take apart something that he put together and published as fact, he stays 100% correct

Let me get this straight. Are you saying that Beck is 100% correct with the exception of the many times that he just makes shit up, or otherwise uses half truths to make ridiculous inferences ?

ok, here is a link to the news I hear Beck talk about.
http://www.theblaze.com/
And his pay-site, GBTV has stuff he said.
Please post a link and the counter to something Beck has said in the last 6 or 8 months that you can prove (or even just "feel") is incorrect. Please. I want to see what it is you find Beck has been wrong about. Please. I may have missed something.
A link. Something. Please.

Beck proved to me beyond a doubt that he's an obnoxiously imbecilic asshole years ago. I'm not going to listen to him. He lost all credibility to such a degree that nobody pays attention to him enough to list his daily or weekly whoppers. He's a fucking joke and always has been.

Even if he has better writers now, the very fact that he was willing to say the crazy shit he used to say is enough to convince me to ignore him. The fact that you have even a shred of respect for him tells me I need to stop this Bap. You're polite and all but man, you really are....well nevermind.

Bap33 says

Please post a link and the counter to something Beck has said in the last 6 or 8 months that you can prove (or even just "feel") is incorrect.

Ah, haha, so all his piles of well documented lies older than 8 months don't count? He has been telling huge lies for years, but all the sudden he is 100% honest over the last 8 months?

Mmmmhmmm... yeah... please tell me you realize how ridiculous that sounds.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/cWi182CMJY8&feature=player_embedded

There's a Communist in the White House.

Honest Abe says

There's a Communist in the White House.

She seems to have a very poor grasp on what constitutes as strong evidence to support a "supposition". That and not understanding what a communist is. So yeah, I think she was right about this line.

"maybe I am just idiotic"

Bap,

Beck's network is behind a pay wall. I'm not going to pay the man. I'm not going to put myself on his mailing list by signing up for a trial. But I will google him. Sure. Are the first two paragraphs of this piece an accurate account of the beginning of last Monday's show?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/behind-the-paywall-at-glenn-becks-confounding-web-tv-network/256328/

If so, that would correlate with what jumped out at me from a cursory inspection of his news site: much of what seems to get posted there isn't news. I don't know what Louis Farrakahn or Jon Lovitz is saying. No one sane cares what they're saying. These are people who have no influence or power or credibility. The first because he's a loon, and the second because he's a has-been entertainer. (When I dared to look at the Lovitz piece, the content of what Lovitz was saying was very different from what I was expecting based on the title of the piece. He wasn't "doubling down" on an attack on Obama, he was expressing incredulity that anyone gave a shit about what he had said about Obama. How self-aware of Lovitz.)

Something like a third of the stories on that site right now are about Farrakahn. It's as if Michael Moore came up with a network that devoted an enormous chunk of its time to lambasting whatever insanity Terry Jones or the WBC is saying. The rest of the world is ignoring these voices. To respond to them is to burn straw men. The response can't be taken as serious because it's unnecessary.

This is the most I've ever been exposed to him. And it's not much. But it seems like Beck's product is terrible analysis of often-irrelevant and sometimes-misframed information. If that's not wrong, then I'm not sure what use there is in being right.

msilenus says

Are the first two paragraphs of this piece an accurate account of the beginning of last Monday's show?

Well, it sounds like he is shoveling the same tripe that he did at FOX "news" so it would be consistent.

msilenus says

But it seems like Beck's product is terrible analysis of often-irrelevant and sometimes-misframed information.

Yeah, there is not way I am going to pay Beck to listen to his propaganda and it sounds like he is doing just fine without my $10/month. Your analysis however does sound pretty much like all his stuff I have seen on FOX "news" though.

#1) The site has free try-out going on right now. Go check.
#2) I figured a time frame that was not under the Fox News situation, that is the only reason I placed a time on the suggestion.
#3) You're saying Beck is not correct NOW -- in the present -- so, please show me what he is saying about the current geo-political world, progessives, liberals, LOrd Barry, anything that he says .. pick something .. anything .. and share with me where it is wrong/lie. Anything from Beck's network. Please. I am not looking to argue, I'm asking you to show me why I should not agree with Beck. So far, I feel as he feels, and see what he sees. Help me. SHow me what it is you know and see. Please. Thanks.

Bap33 says

#2) I figured a time frame that was not under the Fox News situation, that is the only reason I placed a time on the suggestion.

Has is message changed after leaving FOX? From what I have read on theBlaze it does not seem to have changed. Why would you think that his rampant dishonest claims would have changed? Did he suddenly come up with honest well reasoned arguments to support his outrageous claims? Some how I doubt it and quite frankly it is not worth my time to sift through all his garbage and do the research on his claims.

OK how about this:http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2012/01/obama-flouts-constitution-win-over-hispanic-vote/155435

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2012/01/obama-flouts-constitution-win-over-hispanic-vote/155435

Bap33 says

That's mine, not Becks, incase that matters. I'm getting ready for the next 20 years, when "Lord Barry", will be demanded, not requested. lol. Really, it's just mine.

And where do you get that "GROSSLY incorrect and untrue" sentiment? Surely not from 100% honest Glenn Beck (except for all the times he as been horribly dishonest, and only for the past 8 months)...

Oh, I get it. If its something i wog agrees with then it must be true, but if its something he doesn't agree with its "FUCKING STUPID AND IGNORANT BULLSHIT FROM THE RADICAL RIGHT".

"oBAMA's State Department decided" hahaha, OF COURSE THEY DID, fool. Call it dishonest, call it liberal spin, oh I know! call it by its Marxist slogan: the ends justify the means.

Bingo, and there you have it comrade.

Obsama is Not a socialist? Perhaps he's closer to being a Communist.

Honest Abe says

Bingo, and there you have it comrade.

Let's be careful here. Abe, Bap, TPTroll and others have seen the "Forward" video, and have to be pretty upset.

On some level they know what's probably going to happen, and they have some reprogramming to do to find a rationale to back up their emotion. Let's give the right wing propaganda machine some time to come up with a way for them to put this all in perspective. But until then, they're lost, and more than a little upset.

Beck is a charlatan who is trying to scare punk mfs into investing in gold so that he can increase the value of his holdings.

still ready to read anything that shows Beck to be what you Obamaites are saying.

I've given that ask more attention than it deserves already. I've told you what he seems to be doing. You didn't challenge any of it. I can only conclude that you're okay with continuing to feel along with him.

Very well.

Ultimately, that feeling isn't going to go away until you start seriously questioning his logic. Yes, that burden is on you, not me, or on anyone else. I vet my sources of information --vet the hell out of them. That's because I'm responsible for the opinions and beliefs I hold; for the facts I quote; for the decisions I make based on all of these things. I am responsible for the information I take in and how it changes me --and it does.

If you honestly want to start doing that --questioning him, vigorously, like you should question all media-- I'll try to help you out. Ask some of these questions: When he relates a bunch of things together like that in that Atlantic piece, what does that imply? Does the implication make sense? Is the burden of proof on him to show that these connections are there? Does he ignore that burden? Or does he ask you to feel that it is met, without really looking --the way a magician shows you one thing that's true while taking your attention from the things that are most critical for discerning what is going on?

It's up to you. You're demanding fish. But you don't need fish. You need to pick up a pole.

.. waiting and waiting ... if he is what you say, prove it. It seems that the whole "feeling" that Beck is wrong is enough for you. His logic works for me. Those that say what he is saying is not true are the ones that should share with me the details of such things. Ready, go.

Bap33 says

.. waiting and waiting ... if he is what you say, prove it. It seems that the whole "feeling" that Beck is wrong is enough for you. His logic works for me. Those that say what he is saying is not true are the ones that should share with me the details of such things. Ready, go.

http://patrick.net/?p=1211686&c=820720#comment-820720

sir, I very plainly said that the site is offering free trail at this time. Please go find and share some of those horrible things Beck has said and done. Please.

Here are a few, if you've forgotten what a clown he is. I can see Bap totally buying the first one. (they're faking you out with all that talk about how it's the right moral thing. Don't let them fool you !!!! Good stuff)

http://www.youtube.com/embed/RO1timWATHE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=pVH_45acqaM

http://www.youtube.com/embed/BAyCNxl8I54&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ka_UWyZ9xf4&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/embed/9Tb_mMPD6hw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/embed/KAE87Q5Ype0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/embed/W-3nfEaQ_gU&feature=related

note: I did ask for some post-fox stuff. Please.

I do not hear any lies or 1/2 truths in those vids, by the way.

You guys cant call the man the world most evil liar ever, and then produce ZERO examples!! Thats weak.

Now, shall we all take turns putting up some Lord Barry fibs??

next time just type, "I can't, my bad." It's easier.

TallyHo

Bap33 says

next time just type, "I can't,

IT's not that I can't, it's that I won't. How's this, you watch a bunch of Rachel Maddow, and for every lie you find, or anything you feel she falsely infers, I will go find two from post Fox Glenn Beck.

BUt only if I'm convinced you found a real lie or false inference.

Share the link that shows me calling her what Beck has been called on here.

going to bed, adios

Bap33 says

You guys cant call the man the world most evil liar ever, and then produce ZERO examples!! Thats weak.

Umm... no one has called him the word's worst and most evil liar ever. If Beck posted to this forum that he was called "the world['s] most evil liar ever", that would indeed be a lie. In Rupert's empire of liars he probably wasn't even the worst liar there, let alone the entire world.

In case you have not gotten the point yet, I will sum it up for you...

No one here cares about Glenn Beck. During his tenure at FOX "news" Beck did a very good job proving to the critical thinking world that he is not to be trusted. Based on cursory overviews of theBlaze he has given no one here any indication that he has turned over a new leaf. We don't have full time fact checking jobs. We are not going to watch hours of propaganda, taking copious notes, then spend even more hours researching each claim. We just... don't... care...

Don't worry though, I am sure that if his new vehicle becomes popular enough it will get the attention of fact checkers. Also, people will start posting his ridiculous claims here. Then you will get the fact-checking that you seek, and can summarily apply the same willful ignorance used while watching his show and ignore it.

interesting ..
from "Beck tells lies about.... ((fill in liberal/progressive/leftist dream))!!"
to, "we dont care what Beck says".
very interesting, indeed.

Bap33 says

interesting ..

from "Beck tells lies about.... ((fill in liberal/progressive/leftist dream))!!"

to, "we dont care what Beck says".

very interesting, indeed.

Yes, Beck tells lies, so... we don't care about what he says. Do you put a lot of stock in what a known and proven liar says? -- oh wait never mind -- Do you put a lot of stock in what someone says, who Beck tells you is a liar?

We do care that so many seem to gobble up his lies like flies eat shit -- after all can 10 trillion flies be wrong?

The problem is all the people gleefully chewing on his tripe grinning broadly and nodding in agreement when he tells them that it is filet mignon... yeah, them... they all choose to remain willfully ignorant of fact. Regardless of all evidence to the contrary they are going to go to their deathbeds insisting that they were indeed eating filet mignon.

If it was possible to convince those people of Becks deceptions then maybe people would care more...

ok, it is Bush's fault ... depending on what the definition of is is.

You guys really let me down here. I was hoping you would have something more viable than fuzzy feelings of hate towards conservatism, Christianity, America, or whatever it is you figure Beck stands for, that fills you with so much rage and hate.

Bap33 says

Christianity

Beck is a mormon, I don't remember where you fall on the mormons=christians debate.

Funny thing about theBlaze, but I noticed a very negative attitude towards mormons on the pro-mormon = christanity articles. Do most Beck fans even know he is a mormon?

Bap33 says

I am not sure what about Beck you hate, so I just tossed out some common things that progressive/liberal/leftists tend to dis-like

I don't hate Beck per-say, I just think that he is a scumbag who will say or do anything that will make him money. He has latched onto the GOP ditto head money train.

I hate what he has done to the political discourse in our country. I hate that he has chosen to try and divide us as a country. I hate that he uses dishonesty and propaganda techniques to sew confusion and obfuscate facts. I hate that he is part of the machine that has convinced you to shutdown your critical thinking faculties.

I could go on, but it is all along the same lines. Sorry if none of that was on your list of liberal stereotypes.

Bab, you did not answer my question. Is a mormon a christian? You do know that Joseph Smith called your religious views an abomination, and that mormonism is the only true religion, right?

Bap33 says

I was hoping you would have something more viable

leoj707 says

I just think that he is a scumbag who will say or do anything that will make him money. He has latched onto the GOP ditto head money train.

I hate what he has done to the political discourse in our country. I hate that he has chosen to try and divide us as a country. I hate that he uses dishonesty and propaganda techniques to sew confusion and obfuscate facts. I hate that he is part of the machine that has convinced you to shutdown your critical thinking faculties.

Outstanding answer. But don't expect Bap to understand. He thinks Beck is this wise sage who can see through the bs and inform the righteous ones of profound truths.

Honest Abe says

Step two: deport all liberals

Who in the hell would take them?

Castro? Chavez perhaps?

lol leo, you should change your name to ole'!! (notice, this was humor, and just moved one letter-lol)

your list matches my list, but mine has "liberal/leftist/progressive/anti-American sum" in every place that you used "Beck" or referred to him. Well, we at least share a list! Cheers.

At least we all can finally agree that your hatred for Beck is INSPITE of his being truthful. Right?

p.s. you continue to mis-reference the post that had "Christian" in it. I was not calling anyone anything, I was just filling in some common terms "your side" (for lack of terms) uses for things and people they hate .. just like I said already .. but you must be missing it.

Around here we dance a lot around the single biggest reason that we as a species may be doomed.

And that is because people believe what they want to believe.

And worse than that - people with average to below average intelligence can convince themself of almost anything.

Since the fairness doctrine was done away with by Reagan, things have slowly gone further and further toward propaganda being an acceptable substitute for real critical analysis. Beck is just one especially obnoxious example of this.

But it is more than a little scary.

CaptainShuddup says

Who in the hell would take them?

As if the country could survive with a majority of the upper 35% of the IQ distribution gone.

By majority, I mean more than half of the upper 35% is "liberal." I'm not exactly going out on a limb here. If you define liberal as not voting republican these days, I guarantee you it's WAY more than half of that upper 35%.