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Cloud says

Not a birther.

Just know when someone is lying and using liberal orthodoxy to play the game gain without merit.

If you aren't a birther, then how can you say he's lying about it?

Cloud says

The "mistake" was intentional hoping to add to his cache with Lefties like you who love the "I was born from humble beginnings and used my race
to move up in the world."

Get it. It is a lie.

What? I mean seriously, WTF are you saying? That an editor made a deliberate mistake back in 1991 about somebody virtually nobody knew about so that it could 'add to his cache with lefties?' Have you got a screw loose?

Cloud says

An "EDITOR" you moron. Editors don't make those kind of mistakes. The damn bio is a one-pager.

It is a lie. A purposeful one.

What does his anonymity back in '91 have to do with it.

Because nobody knows him therefore this is not a deliberate lie. What kind of thinking is that?

You must be on a wind up. That or you are deranged.

There is no reasoning with idiots like Cloud. It's pointless to try. Here's a clip of three hikers trying to reason with him.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/FMEe7JqBgvg

Looks like we located the 22 percent

IT seems remotely possibly to me that it was a lie, from OBama, that is about being born in Kenya. Unlikely, but possible.

Not cool if he did, but if he did, I would bet there was some practical reason for it (not some perceived cache). It could be something like at the time he wanted to pursue having a dual citizenship, because of family over there, and maybe hopes of a career in international relations with Africa. Obviously at the time he had no idea what course his career would take, but he was very ambitious.

I'm not defending or condoning, I'm just speculating that in the fairly small chance that it was in fact a lie, the rationale would be something like this.

I would think that republicans would sort of respect that, since by nature they tend to be much looser with the honesty (especially with themselves) than those who are only slightly right of center (the so called "liberals").

This is the only rational comment in this thread so far. My best guess is that Obama has groomed his story again and again for his best interests-- which is what every public figure does, and really most people (see the current yahoo CEO scandal).

I don't understand why this is news though-- it's standard practice.

marcus says

IT seems remotely possibly to me that it was a lie, from OBama, that is about being born in Kenya. Unlikely, but possible.

Not cool if he did, but if he did, I would bet there was some practical reason for it (not some perceived cache). It could be something like at the time he wanted to pursue having a dual citizenship, because of family over there, and maybe hopes of a career in international relations with Africa. Obviously at the time he had no idea what course his career would take, but he was very ambitious.

I'm not defending or condoning, I'm just speculating that in the fairly small chance that it was in fact a lie, the rationale would be something like this.

I would think that republicans would sort of respect that, since by nature they tend to be much looser with the honesty (especially with themselves) than those who are only slightly right of center (the so called "liberals").

Cloud says

Bigsby, nice come back. Try again.

I don't need to try again. The proof is in your posts.
As it seems you're not on a wind up, ...

Bigsby says

Oh, good grief. You just can't accept it, can you? Why is it so important to you? She said she made a mistake. Why is that so difficult to accept? Let me tell you why, because you want to believe he was born in Kenya no matter what the facts are. I couldn't care less where he was born. I'm not an American. I didn't vote for him, but I can look from the outside and be utterly stunned by the sort of bullshit that people come up with just to perpetuate their conspiracy theories

You have not explained the logic behind the claim that a literary agent wrote a biography of an unknown aspiring author. She had no information about Obama's past - how could she be the one to make a "mistake" and mention Kenya as Obama's birthplace? The story is an obvious cover up for Obama.
You are the one who spreads BS claims.

If you pitched an idea for a book to an agent and she agreed to represent you - who would be writing your biography: you or your agent?

marcus says

IT seems remotely possibly to me that it was a lie, from OBama, that is about being born in Kenya. Unlikely, but possible.

Not cool if he did, but if he did, I would bet there was some practical reason for it (not some perceived cache). It could be something like at the time he wanted to pursue having a dual citizenship, because of family over there, and maybe hopes of a career in international relations with Africa. Obviously at the time he had no idea what course his career would take, but he was very ambitious.

I'm not defending or condoning, I'm just speculating that in the fairly small chance that it was in fact a lie, the rationale would be something like this.

I would think that republicans would sort of respect that, since by nature they tend to be much looser with the honesty (especially with themselves) than those who are only slightly right of center (the so called "liberals").

Let me guess - you are still against the idea that it is necessary to actually check and verify his background information using original documentation on file with various US government agencies:

1. Original birth certificate (the "written down" thing mentioned by gov. Abercrombie).
2. Passport information (including complete history of his mother's passports).
3. Selective Service registration card.

nosf41 says

You have not explained the logic behind the claim that a literary agent wrote a biography of an unknown aspiring author. She had no information about Obama's past - how could she be the one to make a "mistake" and mention Kenya as Obama's birthplace? The story is an obvious cover up for Obama.
You are the one who spreads BS claims.

I'm not spreading bullshit claims. I am repeating what the woman who actually wrote it said. It's you who is making claims contrary to that, something for which you have zero proof and which directly contradicts the person involved, so exactly which one of us is bullshitting?

Bigsby says

I'm not spreading bullshit claims. I am repeating what the woman who actually wrote it said. It's you who is making claims contrary to that, something for which you have zero proof and which directly contradicts the person involved, so exactly which one of us is bullshitting?

If you pitched an idea for a book to an agent and she agreed to represent you - who would be writing your biography: you or your agent?

Media bullshit mixed with the koolaid for liberal lefty consumption.
1. Obama is black. Y/N? No, he's a mulatto, 1/2 white raised by whites.
2. Warren is a Cherokee. Y/N? No, she has NO proof of any native American blood.
3. Al Gore is a scientist. Y/N? No, Al Gore earned a D in the only science class he ever took. The guy who taught it recently said he doesn't believe in global warming, although he was the one who came up with that theory.
4. CO2 is a pollutant.Y/N? No, CO2 is a necessary plant nutrient in very low conc. in the atmosphere.
There are reasons that some people doubt the Obama story, the reason is the story is a media concoction.
I may be alone, I believe he cannot have faked this document for birth in Hawaii, and I don't believe it is fake. It's also not the original birth certificate.
However, what I actually know about his life is he is a mixed up person.
The more you know about him the worse he gets, and the more bullshit you have to believe to not be concerned.
"Bill Ayers is a guy in the neighborhood." Not really accurate.
"I never heard Rev.Wright give sermons like that." Not in 25 years.
I got some people at a party in CT pissed off when in their liberal midst I said when I interviewed guys for a job, I never picked the candidate with zero experience. Obama had zero executive experience before his election.
I also know that Obama pulled some dirty tricks in Chicago to keep his opponents off the ballots, etc. so I think he's just a political hack.
Don't even mention his thunderthighed witch of a wife using the taxpayers money to take vacations in Spain and all over the place without her poor husband even present. They are enjoying the billionaire lifestyle that they decry, yet they earned none of it from hard work or brains.
bigsby is pathetically bleating that if you don't like the mulatto-in-chief you are a racist or worse.
Actually, I have the right to be a racist here. I can say racist things, I can write them, and I can believe them.
I can't however BE racist in the area of rental, selling something, or hiring.
Foreigners are sometimes hilarious. The three countries I have lived varied, four if you count a couple months in Japan. The other countries were FAR more racist than the USA, and also more class stratified.

nosf41 says

If you pitched an idea for a book to an agent and she agreed to represent you - who would be writing your biography: you or your agent?

Good grief. It's highly likely she had many dealings with him before writing that short bio. She says she was the one who made the mistake, but of course, you know better.

clambo says

bigsby is pathetically bleating that if you don't like the mulatto-in-chief you are a racist or worse.
Actually, I have the right to be a racist here. I can say racist things, I can write them, and I can believe them.

Oh, right, so I'm supposedly pathetically bleating about you lying and concocting nonsense. I get attacked for 'playing the race card,' but here you are basically admitting you're a racist, a fact that is clearly affecting any rational judgement on your part. I neither like nor dislike Obama. He's a politician. Some of his views I support, some I don't, but what I don't appreciate is idiots like you making up utter bullshit about somebody you seemingly hate ostensibly because of their color.
And so what if other countries are more racist than the US. What has that got to do with anything? It doesn't excuse your views, does it?

clambo says

Don't even mention his thunderthighed witch of a wife using the taxpayers money to take vacations in Spain and all over the place without her poor husband even present. They are enjoying the billionaire lifestyle that they decry, yet they earned none of it from hard work or brains.

You seem to have a thing for his wife. And you, you of all people, are criticizing them about their intelligence. You couldn't make this shit up.

http://www.spencersonline.com/product/Bm-Obama-Toilet-Paper/

Big - Clambo is simply pointing to the hypocrisy of the left. At least the right makes no bones about enjoying their success.

nos--

OK--help me out with this string of lies.

Why did Obamas Mom go through the trouble of getting his birth announcement in two Hawaiin newspapers, getting him a US passport, US Drivers License, etc. and then tell a random literary agent that he was born in Kenya?

Does that make sense?

Cloud says

By the way, whey Thunderthighs wants to say good morning to Obama she has to look into the mouth of Llyod Blankfeld, the CEO of Goldman Sachs, because OBama's head it up there.

And that, apparently, makes him a socialist.

The point is not that Obama was born in Hawaii. The point is that Obama and his publicists have created a fiction about him on various occasions. When convenient, evidently the fiction was he was a Kenyan. When convenient, the fiction was he was a black African American. He's a mulatto and has no American ancestry on the black side. He neither ever lived with his African father.
The other fiction was that his mother was sane, and not an impulsive crazy woman who was getting creampie surprised at 17 by a married muslim from Kenya.

If someone lies to you and constantly insults your intelligence and you object, is that being "stupid"?

bigsby Michelle is an asshole, a typical social climber who hates the whites who admitted her to their universities and gave her outrageously well paid jobs for which she did no actual work.
She is the one who said she was "for the first time in my life proud" because voters voted for her husband the mulatto.
Her academic final project to use to graduate from college was a boring description of her experience being black and attending that college.
So, she got a degree in narcissistic navel gazing and bullshit.
Those of course are perfect qualities for going to law school.
I get a laugh out of those who get a big charge out of these people attending these colleges. I guess because in the summers in Martha's vineyard I had my way with some of these females I have a slightly less impressed view.
I hate the Obamas and I don't care if you think it makes me a racist or a martian. Fuck them both.
My speech is protected unlike speech where you live, ain't that great too?

clambo says

My speech is protected unlike speech where you live, ain't that great too?

Freedom of speech in the US is not an absolute. I thought even you might have known that, but surprise, surprise...

And you hate the Obamas? Is that based on anything in particular or just their color and the fact they aren't frothing right-wingers?

clambo says

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This is a nice feature on Patrick.net. One cannot delete stupid comments but must leave them blank. The "cone of shame" if you will.

robertoaribas says

Are you folks really this stupid?

We are all stupid for wasting our precious hours here.

tatupu70 says

nos--
OK--help me out with this string of lies.
Why did Obamas Mom go through the trouble of getting his birth announcement in two Hawaiin newspapers, getting him a US passport, US Drivers License, etc. and then tell a random literary agent that he was born in Kenya?
Does that make sense?

I don't think it was Obama's mother who gave the information about birth in Kenya to the literary agent. That information came from Obama.

We don't know which passport Obama got (US, Indonesian,...). We know that his mother excluded him from her passport when she applied for passport reneval.

Definite answer to your question will be possible only when original documentation on file with US government agencies is examined. You cannot trust Obama's word alone when it comes to his biography. Too many lies have been told.

In my opinion, based on publicly available facts, his birth was registered in Hawaii as an unattended (by a physician) birth. His grandmother submitted birth registration form and based on that form newspapaer announcements have been made.

Governer Abercrombie vowed to shut the birthers up at the beginning of his term 1.5 years ago. Initially he was very loud about his intentions to resolve this issue. However, he did not deliver on his promise - he could only claim that something 'written down' had been found in the archive.

Obama's SSN does not make sense. In 1977 he was living as a teenager in Hawaii. The SS number, he has been using throughout his life, was issued in 1977 and it was reserved for an applicant from Connecticut. Most likely this indicates ID fraud.
According to Sheriff Arpaio's investigation, Obama's birth certificate "pdf" file and Selective Service registration card are forgeries. Director of Selective Service refuses to cooperate with Arpaio's investigation and provide a copy of the microfilm for the date when Obama's alleged registration was made.
US government refused to release passport information (prior to 1965) for Obama's mother.
Stuff like this does not happen to a person born in a US hospital (the offical birthplace story).
There is much more. It will be interesting to watch Sheriff Arpaio's next press conference about this topic.

nosf41 says

I don't think it was Obama's mother who gave the information about birth in Kenya to the literary agent. That information came from Obama.

lol--uh, does that make any more sense? That Obama would say he's from Kenya??

So, your theory now is that Obama's mother went to all the trouble to get him a birth certificate in the US when he was born, but Obama said screw it and decided to tell some random brochure author the truth about being born in Kenya.

That's your theory?

tatupu70 says

So, your theory now is that Obama's mother went to all the trouble to get him a birth certificate in the US when he was born, but Obama said screw it and decided to tell some random brochure author the truth about being born in Kenya.

That's your theory?

Theory ? Ha.

These boobs are all about throwing some shit against the wall and seeing if maybe something sticks.

We attribute it to stupidity, but nobody is that stupid. It's a lack of integrity.

okay, maybe sometimes it is both stupidity and lack of integrity.

Toe jam says

The White Guilt complex

Racist dimbulb had to hide his identity for that one, because of his shame.

Toe Jam, I think that the female liberal doxy loves Obama not because she has liberal guilt (although she might), it's because liberal females who have not grown up in the ghetto have a *black man fetish*.
It's a bit like how caucasian men have an Asian woman fetish, sometimes they marry the object of their fetish (e.g. Rupert Murdoch, Mark Zukerberg, etc.)
Every single overweight, single, older American woman who owns cats voted for Obama last time.
It's actually a bit sad. I have been glancing on Facebook and there are TWO pictures of my classmates (who are now of course old hag women) posing with a lifesized cardboard Obama. They are smiling like they are his little girlfriends.
Pathetic really. Women are such strange creatures sometimes.
Liberal men are strange too but they are easy to identify.

Clambo in grown man Facebook user shocker.

Yeah, of course I look at facebook because an alumni association wants me to attend some reunion or keep them updated on my news, etc. The spam directs me there to be "friends' with my class.
I can look at facebook and see what my foreign friends are up to, what beaches, who wore a bikini, etc. It's voyeuristic fun.

clambo says

Yeah, of course I look at facebook because an alumni association wants me to attend some reunion or keep them updated on my news, etc. The spam directs me there to be "friends' with my class.
I can look at facebook and see what my foreign friends are up to, what beaches, who wore a bikini, etc. It's voyeuristic fun.

And so naturally, following your predilection for massive over-generalization, we can now safely surmise that you are in fact a teenage girl.

Toe jam says

And yet, Marcus, I've described the situation far more eloquently and accurately than you could ever bring yourself to do.

Eloquent and accurate? So eloquent and accurate in fact that it looks like it's been removed.

Toe jam says

Leftism can only exist in a censored environment. And it's amusing that Leftists always decry the need for 'tolerance', yet when the truth hits them in the face, they can't tolerate it! The fact that it was censored proves that it was the truth, which hit a nerve deep into the psyche of the Leftist, bringing on a bout of reactive tattletalism. I think it's the word Negro that bothered you the most.

What a load of bullshit. You posted something blatantly racist and your post got pulled by the person running the site. That doesn't make what you said true, it justs makes what you posted stupid and offensive.

Bgisby, Ah, "racist" - another liberal catch phrase. Kinda like "gun contol", or "hate crime". They have no real definition and can mean different things to different people. Perfect for liberals living in the world of double standards and undefined terms.

You claim T.J's comments were a load of bullshit, and were blatently racist. Thats your opinion. I don't think his comments were racist, nor 'stupid and offensive' . Seems like you were born with a dominant political correctness gene. Hope you get well soon.

Then it's perfectly clear you share his racist views, isn't it?

Honest Abe says

Bgisby, Ah, "racist" - another liberal catch phrase. Kinda like "gun contol", or "hate crime". They have no real definition and can mean different things to different people. Perfect for liberals living in the world of double standards and undefined terms.

Racism is not a liberal catch phrase. American history is full of racism and nationalism and other forms of bigotry. It's not something to be proud of, but a good society admits its flaws so that it can correct them and stop injustices.

The fact that conservatives shrink at the sound of the word racism just goes to prove that conservatives are still racist. Look, I'm a white guy but I have absolutely no white guilt because my ancestors didn't enslave Africans, torture and rape them, and then terrorize them when forced by other white men to stop enslaving them. But even if I was descendant from southerners, I would still not have any white guilt because I would readily renounce the actions of my ancestors. I would admit that the South was wrong, immoral, unethical, and downright dickish hypocrites. And after renouncing the wrongdoings of my ancestors, I would simply lead a non-bigoted life and would therefore have no reason to be sensitive to the word racist for it would not apply to me.

Now I am part Italian. This means I am almost certainly descendant from both slaves and slave owners from the Roman Empire. I have sympathy for my slave ancestors, even though I don't know who they are, and I renounce the actions of any of my slave owning ancestors. So I have absolutely no guilt over the slavery of the Roman Empire. I am appalled by it, as well as by the Roman Empire itself -- I'm more of a Greek fan even though I have no Greek blood that I know of.

Unfortunately, most people in the South do not have the maturity to simply admit that the South was fucking evil. The South was immoral and wrong on the issue of slavery. And the Civil War was really about slavery, not states rights. The fact that the South can't just own up to its dark -- no pun intended -- history is evident by the fact that on the U.S. citizen test I took (for shits and giggles) it claimed that the Civil War was not about human rights issues, but rather economic issues.

Another example of this inability to deal with the truth is the fact that southerners are always waving that damn Confederate Navy flag and calling it the Confederate flag. It's not. These are the Confederate flags.

Notice that the so-called "Confederate flag" is really the Confederate Navy Jack. It was adopted as a symbol by the KKK to state that they were continuing the Civil War. That's why it's popular in the south. It has nothing to do with southern autonomy and everything to do with the KKK waging war against blacks.

I would have a hell of a lot more respect for modern southerners if they just admit that their ancestors, no matter how attached to them they are, were just fucking immoral bastards who did terrible things. Instead of renouncing that evil and living descent lives in contrast to their ancestors, today's southerners, out of arrogance, have to continue the evil and lie that it doesn't and never existed. And that's why I have zero respect for southerners.

If you go far enough back, we all are descendant from rape babies, rapers, slaves, slavers, murderers, thieves, kings and peasants, heroes and villains. The difference between respectable people and unrespectable people is that the respectable ones decide to part ways with the baser behaviors of their ancestors.

I don't care what your ancestors did. I do care that you whitewash it and continue it as much as legally allowed. That reflects on you.

Honest Abe says

Kinda like "gun contol", or "hate crime".

I'm all for unregistered guns of any type available to the military to be available to citizens. I just want a camera on the gun that sends video to a publicly readable server for at least five minutes before the trigger is enabled. That way guns won't be used in crimes, but will be available to anyone who wants to use them legally.

Now, some of you are probably thinking that the bad guys can always put a towel over the camera. It's so cute when you try to think. You're so analog. You have no idea how sophisticated software is today and what we can do. If you did, you're pants would constantly be full of your own excrement.

Here's the executive summary. We can tell if anything is tampered with. We can tell if anything is obstructed. We can use GPS to tell where the gun is, and we can tell what direction it's pointed. We can know everything. And if we bother to do it right, which isn't that hard -- we've done far harder things already -- then there's no way you can get around our system.

Personally, I want the cops to be afraid that if they pull out their gun they will be dead. It's one of the few things that keeps cops from murdering innocent people. I want the military and the politicians to fear for their lives from a violent uprising. It's one of the few things that keeps government from committing atrocities.

Liberal does not mean anti-gun. Perhaps leftist does, but I'm not even sure about that. Of course, the issue of gun control has no intrinsic bearing to the issues of race.

As for hate crime, I think that such legislation is wrong. The justification for hate crime legislation is that a person is terrorizing an entire community, not just the victim. And that's true, but there are anti-terrorism laws and anti-conspiracy laws already for just those things. If someone is terrorizing a community or ethnic group by targeting individuals, he should be prosecuted under anti-terrorism laws, not hate crime legislation.

Not all liberals are for hate crime legislation. "Conservatives" are all single-minded, but there is tremendous variety in "liberal" politics. Basically, the conservatives are all either Jesus-freaks racists or godless financial parasites who snort coke off a hooker's ass. There is no variety within each of these two groups, and the two groups ignore the other's actions to maintain their unholy alliance.

Liberals are simply the entire rest of the country that does not fall into either of those two groups. As such, liberals have about as much cohesion and agreement with each other as two teenage boys fighting over a single peephole into the girl's locker room.

That's actually the biggest problem with the Democratic Party. It's composed of anyone who isn't a financial parasite or a batshit-crazy Jesus-freak. That's why it can't ever get anything done. I can't wait until the day the Republican Party dies. Soon afterwards the Democratic Party will fragment into at least several pieces and we can start to have real debates on the issues. Ironically, the Republican Party's shit craziness is the only thing keeping the Democratic Party together.

And yes, 80% of the Democratic Party is pure shit. But that leaves 20% of it that's composed of knowledgeable, intelligent people. Compare that to 0% of the Republican Party. And the reason for that is that the lunacy of the Republican Party since Reagan has caused all the intelligent people in it to leave either becoming independents or Democrats. For example, there are far more Democrats than Republicans who actually believe in small government contrary to all the sound bites the conservative press puts out.

Honest Abe says

They have no real definition and can mean different things to different people.

This is true for any word in any natural language. That's why we software developers use real languages.

Toe jam says

Leftism can only exist in a censored environment.

Yes. Liberalism, in contrast to Leftism, requires an uncensored environment. Leftism and righism are essentially the same thing with opposing facades.

Toe jam says

And it's amusing that Leftists always decry the need for 'tolerance', yet when the truth hits them in the face, they can't tolerate it!

Well, I wouldn't say amusing. I'd say hypocritical and despicable. A perfect example of this is the lack of free speech on college campuses. Every place in America should be a free-speech zone, but even more so on college where students should be encourage to discuss and passionately debate controversial issues. Without dialog, there can be no progress, and all good ideas can withstand any questioning.

Toe jam says

The fact that it was censored proves that it was the truth, which hit a nerve deep into the psyche of the Leftist, bringing on a bout of reactive tattletalism. I think it's the word Negro that bothered you the most.

The word "negro", like the word "nigger", is a derogatory term with a history entirely composed of stupid ideas: racism, dehumanization, slavery, etc. As such, there is no respectable reason to call another person that term, except by African Americans to take away the power of the word. I don't think that their approach is the most effective way, but I understand the intent.

It is perfectly acceptable, and even required for mature discussion, to use the word instead of euphemisms when discussing the term and it's historical, present, or future use. To do otherwise is simply childish, and childish discussions yield little fruit.

Personally, I don't believe in censorship with the possible exception of protecting innocent people and troll killing. As I don't see Toe jam's comments that were deleted, I cannot comment on whether or not they were racist.

I can say confidently that racism has certainly risen since Obama took office. It's like all the racists came out of hiding from where they were since 1969. It's a shame because I thought this was ancient history. Besides, there are plenty of wonderful reasons to hate Obama that have nothing to do with his race or bullshit accusations like him being from Kenya or being a socialist, neither of which are remotely true, and quite frankly ridiculous to anyone with half a brain.

Toe jam says

And it's amusing that Leftists always decry the need for 'tolerance', yet when the truth hits them in the face, they can't tolerate it!

Tolerance is a leftist sound bite. The left doesn't have nearly as many sound bites as the right, but this is one of them. Tolerance is putting up with something you hate. As such, it's not really a good thing. I am not tolerant of gays because I don't hate them. There's nothing for me to tolerate. I'm accepting of gays, and I hold the position that it's none of my damn business what goes on between consenting individuals behind closed doors. So I don't tolerate gays. I tolerate idiots; those fucks piss me off big time. OK, maybe I'm not quite as tolerant of idiots as I should be, but they actually do lower the quality of life by fucking up government and starting unjust wars while letting just ones go unanswered even in the face of genocide.

Toe jam says

Bigsby, what IS perfectly clear is that YOU are an INTOLERANT person, a hater. You Leftist females have mental orgasms whenever you get to pull out the 'R' word.

Diversity is Hate.
Tolerance is Hate.
Equality is Hate.

What is the object of this Hate? White males.

Yeah, I'm intolerant. Intolerant of racists. And your post is moronic, rather like all four of your posts, whoever you actually are - why not man up and post under your usual name? And what does all that say about you? I guess that it means you're a moronic racist.

Negro is not derogatory, not pejorative. Negro is the Spanish word meaning black. The Spanish were the first to buy slaves and bring them to their farming operations in the New World. So, this word stuck for hundreds of years.
If I used the word "tortilla" instead of "crepe" does that make it racist? They are actually no different except for the recipes.
The reason we hate Obama is not because he's a mulatto (1/2 white), it's because we hate what he says and does.
I sent Herman Cain money when he was getting started after he won the first debate in S. Carolina. I thought he was a super capable and articlate guy. So, I hate Obama the mulatto and I like Cain the African American black descended form slaves. One has real accomplishments and the other is a dilettante.