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JG1 says

Are you saying companies aren't still paying the increased premiums?

Very expensive for the small guy!

thomas.wong1986 says

If you have a question why Apple CEO is paid so much.. ask Al Gore.. he sits on the Apple board. Heck wasnt he the one who promoted CEOs salary being non-deductible expense for tax when he was VP.

I know - I voted against him as a shareholder (and voter), the former to no avail. Agree on risks. Agree on some CEOs seem to be overpaid, although disagree govt regulation/tax punishment is the solution. I think shareholders need to pressure companies to see if they can find any talent at $X million instead of $XX or XXX million. Surely these are jobs everyone wants and there must be some willing to do it for less than XX or XXX who are qualified?

sbourg says

I knew you wouldn't refute my main arguments against you LibTards

sbourg says

But all those details are not my main point. You all are suckers.

sbourg says

You are intellectually bankrupt.

Ok.

JG1 says

I think shareholders need to pressure companies to see if they can find any talent at $X million instead of $XX or XXX million.

Ditto, i would make it half $XM of that in fixed salary with the other half variable.

To Thomas Wong and JG1: I want to thank you two guys for your comments -- they were VERY interesting, factual and informative in big ways. I know alot about the economy, politics, investing (be careful the next 10 years!)..........but you two know alot more about businesses and taxation. Loved reading that summary of the Apple/Jobs issue.
I think I'm kind of an expert on how the Democrats try to get votes, and the damaging effects on our country that result from their tactics on cities, states and federal economies! But that's not hard to see! If you want to read a GR8 book about the tactics of Dems and economic-illiteracy of Dems, FDR and his 'advisors', read:
"FDR:New Deal or Raw Deal" One of the best books I've ever read, actually frightening what was done, and even more frightening how Democrats thought all that stuff was good, even doing the same now.

http://ftmdaily.com/2012-elections/new-executive-order-gives-president-power-to-control-the-media-during-a-crisis/

Sbourg - hold on, the full frontal assult by the libs will occur any second. But thanks for the book recommendation. I've listed many books but get attacked each and every time. I've REPEATEDLY asked libs for book recommendations and have gotten NOTHING, repeat - nothing.

Hey you pinko libs, what book recommendations ya' got today? Ha-ha-ha.

Honest Abe says

Hey you pinko libs, what book recommendations ya' got today?

Er, I liked "Moby-Dick"...

OK, see what I mean? Don't liberals read books they aren't ashamed to name?

Honest Abe says

OK, see what I mean? Don't liberals read books they aren't ashamed to name?

OK, you caught me. The last book I read was "Misquoting Jesus". Don't particularly recommend it unless you are really interested in the history of the New Testament.

Hey, Honest Abe: Thx for the warning about the Libtards......they are certainly out in full force on this site. And they never directly respond to an argument.
Yes, absolutely you should get/read "FDR New Deal or Raw Deal". Brilliantly researched and factually fascinating. He even explains how & why the history books painted glowing accounts of FDR's greatness.......history profs at the Ivy League schools in the '40s, '50s, '60s were stacked with super-libs and they didn't know much about economics. Anyway, FDR was unbelievable and no wonder the Depression lasted 14 years, until he died! Then Truman announced certain changes to the business leaders, etc. :)

Honest Abe says

OK, see what I mean? Don't liberals read books they aren't ashamed to name?

Ours have big words in them, and less pictures of choo-choos.

CL says

Honest Abe says

OK, see what I mean? Don't liberals read books they aren't ashamed to name?

Ours have big words in them, and less pictures of choo-choos.

Like this?

http://www.amazon.com/Rush-Limbaugh-Big-Fat-Idiot/dp/0440508649

JG1: Brilliant ! Books by liberals actually defy comprehension.
Incomprehensible, economic-illiteracy...pretty much describes all the Democrats who've been elected to office in the past......well....80 years since 1932.
In fact, I'd hazard to guess that Al Franken is even MORE clueless than FDR, and that's saying alot.

wthrfrk80 says

There are reasonable conservatives out there. You are not one of them.

There are zero 'reasonable conservatives' left in the GOP. They have all been kicked to the curb years ago.

Hey Buster: Define 'reasonable' conservative. Does anyone come close? I'm talking economic issues, fiscal issues, governmental involvement, obviously.

And give us an example of a 'reasonable' liberal on the economic issues .

You won't be able to do it and support it.

But give it a shot. Be specific about economic issues. Good luck.

sbourg, I am going to get your book recommendation, FDR = New Deal or Raw Deal, but not today. My spirits are too high and reading how FDR put the seeds of destruction in place to destroy America is way too depressing to read on such a beautiful day. It would wreck my zen.

BTW, I couldn't help but notice no book recommendations from the radical leftists who populate this site. I've repeatedly asked for their recommendations with virtually the same result that you've gotten...nada.

I'm going to go walk my four rescue weiner dogs, have a good day.

Abe.

Buster says

wthrfrk80 says

There are reasonable conservatives out there. You are not one of them.

There are zero 'reasonable conservatives' left in the GOP. They have all been kicked to the curb years ago.

Funny, some of my obama-loving (OK, just kidding, there are none of those left), some of my intending to vote obama friends are criticizing romney, saying he's just like obama anyway, not that conservative, why do I support him when he's not that conservative, etc. Perhaps because he is a reasonable conservative. You may not love him, you may not vote for him, but I think you'll be OK with his presidency.

HRHMedia says

Would you ever say "BUSH-LOVING"

People Love'd them some Bush.

HRHMedia says

Would you ever say "BUSH-LOVING" , i thought not.

This is cloaked racism to say "obama-loving" it's like saying n-lover.

More racists.

Sure, why wouldn't I? And I've certainly heard Clinton, Gore, and Obama supporters use that term. So you are really grasping at straws to find racism where none exists and none is intended. When Obama was elected, I didn't vote for him, but I predicted he would win when my democrat friends were still saying he can't win because he's (half) black. And I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt, and he was been awful ever since. I would like to see Condi for VP with Mitt, so how does that add up in your apparently race-obsessed worldview?

Yeah, Lord knows the Man is always trying to keep Obama down.
Chin up Obama, you'll catch a break, poor you.

Thank God he's not Tiger Woods, or I'd catch crap for the "Chin" remark!

HRHMedia says

Filibusters

MMMMMM Chocolate covered peanut Filibusters... agh ahh ah!

HRHMedia says

obama-loving is code racism.

i don''t care what you predicted.

glad you gave a half-black guy the "benefit of the doubt??" seriously, your a racist ..

You say Obama has been awful? how? , Make sure you use George Bush as the mile stone.

Social Media Guru Since 1999

Only the race-obssessed would know that. And you're really stretching what isn't and is racism. And pulling the usual liberal trick, everything you don't like isn't just wrong or a different opinion, it's evil, racist, misogynist, etc. A tired old game.

To JG1: You're awesome and I understand and agree with your very interesting thoughts before the '08 election.

To HRH: You don't even understand what JG1's saying.........and you don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're', so we're not surprised you don't get it and call people (like JG1) racists.

To HRH again: Republican fiscal conservatives will vote for like-minded, smaller federal govt candidates, and we DON'T care about 'color' or 'race'. That's why SO many TeaParty folks were thrilled ( like me) with Herman Cain, Allen West, etc.
Liberals don't understand that conservatives are truly, POST-RACIAL. And when we see/hear of Liberals (like you) who don't understand and acknowledge that fact, we realize how stupid Liberals are. Period.

Last major point to Liberals including Patrick on this blog:

Obama started Occidental College Sept '79, 4 months after I graduated from Oxy. So naturally I was curious what he stood for in '07 when he started getting serious vs Hillary. And what I discovered from many sources (even his 2 books), was that he detested capitalism (this was his commonality with Bill Ayers by the way) , and didn't understand how capitalism works to provide maximum wealth and opportunity. He never got it......because he thought the opposite, and he loved marxist-ideas (Roger Boesche was his favorite prof at Oxy)......etc.
Unfortunately, most Democrat-voters are just as economically-illiterate in their understanding of our country, and thus did NOT know what a dangerous Idealogue Obama would be.
But it was obvious to fiscal conservatives.

To Patrick and his Liberal-like-minded, "wealth'-bashing, 'rich'-bashing, capitalism-bashing, small-govt-bashing.......drones.........read my previous posts on this blog, and this is my final point, after having considered and seen your lame, illogical, and for Patrick, non-existent rebuttals........this is what I have to say:
Touche........that's pronounced 'Touchaay'. Checkmate, Game over. You lost.
And hopefully you lose this November.

JG1 says

And pulling the usual liberal trick, everything you don't like isn't just wrong or a different opinion, it's evil, racist, misogynist, etc. A tired old game.

Yes, there is some of that on the far-left. I agree. Playing the "race card" is a classic example. Since 2004 they've been labeling anyone who disagrees with "gay marriage" as "homophobic."

JG: Regarding 'gay marriage'........Liberals are so ill-informed, they don't know BJ Clinton signed the 'Defense of Marriage Act' in '95 that defined man/woman marriage for all federal law purposes.
And Democrats NOW, don't realize that if Obama cared about that issue, he Reid/Pelosi, could have changed that law in '09 when they had 60 Senate votes.
Democrat voters are incredibly uninformed and clueless. They should be angry that Obama didn't do that stuff in late '09 when they could've passed anything.

sbourg says

Republican fiscal conservatives

Where are you going to find these mythical republican fiscal conservatives? The only difference between the parties used to be democratic tax and spend vs republican borrow and spend. The democrats have simply evolved with the election of Obummer.

Dan8267 says

Yeah, it's called "one dollar, one vote", and it's the 'democracy' of the United States of America.

The voting system I described relies on everyone having equal "voting power" or "dollars" as you put it. As such, voting with your wealth in America isn't the same thing. Only a tiny minority has the wealth to really vote with dollars in our country.

Yup. That was kinda my point. The wealthy get to vote 'like' as many times as they want (in the millions and billions), vs. the one technical 'dislike' that a few actually exercise with any real thought.
The other part of my point is the comparison between how many votes even the poor make every day for junk food, gasoline, and Asian labor compared to their single vote for leadership (of any kind).
What's missing from America doesn't have to do with specific issues so much as a general lack of thoughtful representation by whomever sits in public offices. Most decisions are made the easy way: by the bottom line on a spreadsheet (or campaign contribution list) and Blind Faith in an Invisible Hand. Personally, I've tried to vote for who I thought was the most thoughtful candidates of either party (how would they act in a catastrophe? Would they make decisions or follow a script?), but lately, that doesn't seem to come out in the wash of useless crap covering every side. Just lizard after lizard after lizard, bought and paid for by the banks and advertisers.

sbourg says

And Democrats NOW, don't realize that if Obama cared about that issue, he Reid/Pelosi, could have changed that law in '09 when they had 60 Senate votes.

Yeah that's the one that gets me, every time I hear someone say...
"The Republicans wont let him." Insert issue here.

Auntiegrav says

Yup. That was kinda my point. The wealthy get to vote 'like' as many times as they want (in the millions and billions), vs. the one technical 'dislike' that a few actually exercise with any real thought.

Then the system you are imagining is not the one I'm describing. Voting power would be allocated on a per person basis with all individuals having the same total voting power.

bob2356 says

sbourg says

Republican fiscal conservatives

Where are you going to find these mythical republican fiscal conservatives? The only difference between the parties used to be democratic tax and spend vs republican borrow and spend. The democrats have simply evolved with the election of Obummer.

OMG! Using the first letter of the last name of a person, combined with the word bummer is code racism. Patrick, when will this user forever be banned!?

HRH, I'm not going to waste my time debating with someone whose first move is to cry racism where none exists. (My black ex-girlfriends may find your accusations amusing.) But you can take just about any economic indicator and compare it to just about any point in time in the Bush Admin., and Obummer will compare unfavorably.

Hey Bob2356: Republican fiscal conservatives are not 'mythical'. They're alive and well and have passed good responsible legislation/budgets in the House of Reps. LIke last summer during the debt-ceiling debate. Boehner and budget chairman Paul Ryan passed an incredibly responsible long-term solution and budget proposal to reduce the annual deficit VERY significantly and responsibly. Guess what Harry Reid and the Democrat-controlled Senate did? They basically threw it in the trashcan. It didn't get a vote in the Senate.
That's a fact.

says

LIke last summer during the debt-ceiling debate. Boehner and budget chairman Paul Ryan passed an incredibly responsible long-term solution and budget proposal to reduce the annual deficit VERY significantly and responsibly.

Which one, there were like half a dozen. I didn't see any that I would call incredibly responsible. Where was all this responsible legistlation/budgets from 2000 to 2008 with a Republican president, senate, and congress. The debt grew like crazy. So now these same people are incredibly responsible? There is only the demapublican party now. I don't like the democrats much, but at least pre obama they would raise taxes to pay for their foolishness. Obama is just bush's third term.

Bob2356: Your opinion and my opinion are surely different on what is 'incredibly responsible'.......but the Republicans passed responsible budgets.
As for the '01 to '08 years, remember that Reid and Pelosi controlled the Congress starting Jan '07.......the deficit each year was NOT a reckless, unsustainable disaster under Bush and the Republican Congress in Bush's 6 years. You forgot that Reid & Pelosi took over Jan '07......and BOY did they HATE Bush. They announced and were proud to say how irrelevant they were ready to make Bush regarding federal spending and policy decisions. Remember that.
My next post in a minute will show the federal budget.

Bob2356: See this chart of spending and let it sink in. During the 6 years of Bush-Republican budgets, federal annual deficits averaged $300B/year. Then even FY 9/30/08 was not so bad. But look at federal spending madness and annual deficits as they jumped to $1.2T/year.
Federal govt spending $1.2T/year MORE than revenue (the annual deficit for 4 yrs in a row now), is the equivalent of pumping money into the economy (BORROWED from our CHILDREN's working careers!) and is so large it's enough each year to give $20,000 to 60 MILLION people. That buys alot of votes Bob.....mostly Democrat voters! If you have children you should be pissed and worried:
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

JG1 says

http://www.amazon.com/Rush-Limbaugh-Big-Fat-Idiot/dp/0440508649

That was a great book! I liked "Operation Chickenhawk".

And of course, Supply Side Jesus

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Gc-LJ_3VbUA

Hey JG1 and Honest Abe: Check out the book recommended by CL !!!!!!!!!!!

It's Al Franken's unserious, supposedly comic........trash. I perused it for 15 minutes at the bookstore. Here's my review:

Franken's book is childish humor filled with name-calling and with the obvious message that Conservatives are wrong on everything. But Franken's economic, fiscal understanding of our country is absolute zero. He proves nothing, supports nothing, yet slams conservatives like a typical Libtard.

And he doesn't even undestand Rush LImbaugh. The quotes he slams Rush for, are quotes that Rush meant to be funny. Rush jokes alot on his show and Franken doesn't understand that. Our country became alot worse in July '09 when Franken was seated as the 60th non-Republican in the Senate.

This is an important book for Leftists. Figures.

sbourg says

Hey JG1 and Honest Abe: Check out the book recommended by CL !!!!!!!!!!!

Someone is not very good at reading comprehension! I quoted JG1 (that's what that "JG1 says" part means).

Unlike Limbaugh fans, I don't get my vital information from comedians or rodeo clowns. That said, I think Franken has been a great Senator and am glad I donated money to his successful campaign!

bob2356 says

Where are you going to find these mythical republican fiscal conservatives? The only difference between the parties used to be democratic tax and spend vs republican borrow and spend.

Fiscal conservative Republicans died out a long time ago. They have to buy the "old vote." Example: Medicare D.

bob2356 says

Obama is just bush's third term.