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Last years there were 33,808 traffic related deaths in the USA. There were only 101 in Estonia.

Ban cars!

Irrelevant, traffic related deaths have nothing to do with 1st degree murder.

Over 10K murders accredited to guns.

How many 1st degree murders did cars commit?

None, because cars don't intentionality commit murder, they drive people from A to B, although people who have guns do murder over 10K times a year.

To the dead people and their families they are the same.

Or not... then we should focus on the people and not the tools.

Peter P says

To the dead people and their families they are the same.

FACIST!

Guns are the issue. Not cars.

Again making false equivalences and creating fake strawmen is from your fascist playbook.

What is overexertion?

I am surprised so many people are poisoned. Accidentally I presume?

Car accidents and Gun Murders are not equivalent, your creating a starwman.

You guys are pathetic.

Why don't you put a statics for heart disease deaths, aids, lost of limbs!
Suicides, just keep going with the FALSE Equivalences.

Keep up your memeberships with the NRA!

The domain dependence of some people is astonishing.

How about food related deaths! from salmonella.

Mad Cow disease
Ovarian Cancer
Breast Cancer

There is no comparison to gun MURDERS!

How about the statistics of domestic violence on woman with guns, 12x more likely to be murdered.

Self-driving cars can save many lives.

Wait, the chart is for accidents. Does it include intentional deaths and illnesses?

the topic of discussion is what again you TROLLS?

Call it Crazy says

Peter P says

I am surprised so many people are poisoned. Accidentally I presume?

Yea, accidentally, by their wives!!!

LOL! Now I need to stop my wife from being inspired.

Why do some people think that intention matters (murder vs accident) yet they think the tools should be banned?

Call it Crazy says

121212 says

Car accidents and Gun Murders are not equivalent, your creating a starwman

Great, you're finally learning!!!! Cars kill way more people then guns.

Way more people own cars and use them way more than GUNS.

Your a fool.

What if we include homicides and illnesses?

why not include colds, flu and sneezes, it fits your data model.

did you guys get an education?

Call it Crazy says

That's been my whole point. If the true intention is there to harm someone, it doesn't matter what the "tool" is... they will inflict carnage with what ever they can get. Sure, a gun is a easy "tool" for that chore, but so is many other items like I posted in the past.

its far easier to do harm with a Gun, BECAUSE it's designed to KILL!!

A car is not designed to KILL. A car is designed to get your from a to b. They are also used much more often.

by your own moronic rationale you should ban condoms, they kill billions of children!

by your own moronic rationale you should ban condoms, they kill billions of children!

Personhood begins at birth or incorporation. Condoms do not kill. I support the right to abortion.

robertoaribas says

121212 says

Your a fool.

you're = you are; your = possessive;

like: your idea is that you're for a ban on guns. [I'm not usually the grammarian but you've used the wrong one like 20 times in a row!]

I expected him to say "your a looser." It would have been even funnier.

I see that you've moved beyond rhetoric and onto some stats call it crazy. Good on you. Those stats of 11K homicides versus 990K self defense instances is impressive. I wonder how many of those self defense instances were a matter of life and death. It would be hard to measure.

Meanwhile, in 2009 in the US according to Wiki, there were 75K gunshot injuries in the US. Of these, 52K were deliberate & 23K were accidents. There were 31K deaths by firearm in 2007, of which 17K were suicides and 12K were not. This 31K deaths is about the same as the number of people killed with cars.

You have stated that people would just use another tool if they didn't have access to guns. I think that some would, and some would not. First there is the desire to kill, and then there is coming up with a plan and going through with it. Guns make the second part easier. I don't think that there are any easy answers regarding legislation, but we should at least recognize that there is a problem, and that guns are part of it.

YesYNot says

I don't think that there are any easy answers regarding legislation, but we should at least recognize that there is a problem, and that guns are part of it.

Maybe. But it is far more important to recognize that people is *the* main problem.

how many people died of a cold, a hang naill, in sky diving accident, these stats do not add anything to this conversation, they detract.

did you guys goto school, what relationship to murders with guns do cars have?

Murder is a legal concept. In the physical world, death is death.

Then murder requires mens rea, which is related only to the mind. Guns and cars both kill. The difference is in the mind of the perpetrator.

None. The is no correlation between car deaths and gun deaths.

The majority of Gun deaths involve murder !

The majority of Car deaths are ACCIDENTS!!

121212 says

the topic of discussion is what again you TROLLS?

I going to start making abrasive,derogatory, & insulting comments to see how many dumbass troll responders will comment.

OH WAIT! I've already started. LOL

Call it Crazy says

Peter P says

In the physical world, death is death.

lmfao, you make nonsensical arguments like a baby

Clearly an accident under law is defined much differently than murder

you can continue playing the fool.

So far not one response to these pathetic comparisons.

121212 says

Clearly an accident under law is defined much differently than murder

So it is a people-problem and not a guns-problem. Then the remedies should center around people and not banning guns.

Call it Crazy says

Gee, I didn't realize a dead body caused by a car accident is different then dead body caused by a firearm... Thanks for helping us see there are different types of dead!!

Call it Crazy -You would think you could figure it out after you posted 100 posts of bullshit car accident stats

One death is Murder and the other is an accident.

Do you have two brain cells to figure this out yet?

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

Peter P says

Self-driving cars can save many lives.

Maybe we need self driving guns, you fool.

robertoaribas says

121212 says

Your a fool.

you're = you are; your = possessive;

like: your idea is that you're for a ban on guns. [I'm not usually the grammarian but you've used the wrong one like 20 times in a row!]

Wow, a spelling flame. So classy.

Call it Crazy says

121212 says

Way more people own cars and use them way more than GUNS.

Your a fool.

Try this:

......"As of 2009, the United States has a population of 307 million people.[5]"

....."According to the US Bureau of Transportation Statistics for 2009 there are 254,212,610 registered passenger vehicles."

....."Based on production data from firearm manufacturers,[6] there are roughly 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States as of 2010. Of these, about 100 million are handguns.[7]"

Now, back to my chart:

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I suspect that his initial point is still accurate - that more people do own cars than guns and that they do use the cars more often.

Peter P says

121212 says

Clearly an accident under law is defined much differently than murder

So it is a people-problem and not a guns-problem. Then the remedies should center around people and not banning guns.

Why is it an either-or situation? I'd say both are clearly problems.

Call it Crazy says

Bigsby says

Why is it an either-or situation? I'd say both are clearly problems.

No it's not... a gun doesn't go off by itself when sitting in a box in the closet.

It takes a person to get the ball rolling.... that's the source of the problem!

And that person's actions are facilitated by the ease with which he or she can access weapons that I suspect a great many people on this planet think have no business being kept in say the home of a primary school teacher with a disturbed child or in many other places around the country come to that.