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http://www.hoteltroiscouronnes.ch/pictures/media/Hiver_menus_2012.pdf

Even now, a whole tasting menu costs about $80 to $125, about on par with San Francisco.

Peter P says

Where in Switzerland? We stayed in Vevey and it was not that bad.

We were in Zurich, Bern, Lucerne, Lugano, Geneva, Lausanne.

Peter P says

http://www.hoteltroiscouronnes.ch/pictures/media/Hiver_menus_2012.pdf

Even now, a whole tasting menu costs about $80 to $125, about on par with San Francisco.

Yes, but the difference is in most major cities including San Francisco there are plenty of places that have affordable food. You can eat healthy and good in San Francisco for very cheap. That really isn't the case in Zurich. Unless you go to a Migros type supermarket (which granted had surprisingly decent food), it's really hard to eat affordably in Switzerland in the major cities like in the USA or most other major cities in Europe.

In Paris where were MANY places to get great food that wasn't too expensive.

Ah, all the banking and tourism centers.

Can't speak for Switzerland, but my friend and I stopped off for pizza in the Pigalle district (Yes, the naughty adult district), ground beef and goat cheese for 9 euro and it was delicious! We were amazed.

Other culinary delights was a crepe to die for, Grand Marnier and Orange, also for 9 Euro, any cafe (coffee) is delicious, and a 20 Euro French plate of meats and cheese where the portion was so large I had to use my own plastic bag to take the remaining home. My French friend at the time said they don't do take home bags.

Did you visit Lake Como when you were at Lugano?

Absolutely David! We ate really really well in Paris. Yes, we did hit some expensive restaurants and cafes but there are some great bakeries. We LOVED going to the bakery each morning and buying fresh bread and there were many places where you can buy meat and cheese plates. Delicious!

Man, few things beat having Coffee outside on one of those beautiful French Cafes. I've been to Paris many many times but usually only for a week or so. Staying there a month was really great.

Peter P says

Did you visit Lake Como when you were at Lugano?

Yes. Absolutely gorgeous. I've been to Lugano a few times. It's one of my favorite cities in the world. It was the first time I took my wife and kids there. Just a gorgeous city. We took the train from Milan to Zurich and it's a beautiful ride.

I highly recommend Lugano to anyone.

bubblesburst says

We LOVED going to the bakery each morning and buying fresh bread

Heaven. Even the Hotel had Fresh Bread delivered daily for their breakfast. Such a treat from all those preservatives.

Last night I was dreaming of Paris in my sleep all night!

Food in London has improved greatly. Those bankers do have some contribution to the society.

So true David! The bread there is incredible. We loved living like locals and carrying fresh bread back to our apartment each morning or at the end of the day. I don't think I ate so much bread in my life than that month. LOL.

It's great seeing everyone carrying loaves of bread under their arms. There are several bakeries on almost every corner. We stayed in the 7th and LOVED it. We walked about 5 or 6 hours each and every day. Everywhere is so beautiful in Paris.

Peter, so true about London. We typically go to London every year or so and things have improved greatly in the food department. I used to think food in London was expensive with the Sterling but Zurich made everywhere else seem cheap.

Peter P says

Ah, all the banking and tourism centers.

Exactly. I've been going there since 92 and Switzerland had always been very, very expensive. Paris is expensive also, as is most of the south of France, especially Provence, in the summer. Go to the south of France outside the school holidays you will find the prices, service, and experience far different.

It's a shame that so many people here said they visited Paris. France is such a great place outside of Paris, which I generally avoid other than going to the airport. Going to Paris and the Riviera is like going to NY and the Jersey shore. Interesting but not terribly representative of the rest of the country.

Yeah, GBP has fallen against CHF.

Indian food in London has always been good anyway.

Bringing this back to Bay Area real estate -- the last time I was in Paris (almost a decade ago) was through an informal (not through a website) home exchange. We were located in an apartment in the Montmartre district. The local patisserie was great for morning treats to go with our coffee. A local did corner us once in the the neighborhood grocery store to express his displeasure with George Bush (all in French, including pantomime machine gun with sound effects).
Home exchanges are a cost effective way to see another city, and, at times, blend in with the locals. This is another plus for BA real estate, as people in other metropolitan areas want to visit here and are willing to do exchanges.

Worried over liabilities.

bubblesburst says

Everywhere is so beautiful in Paris.

Another small, beautiful slice of Paris..

With a new Socialist President, and higher taxes, is there any home price reductions due to people trying to get rid of middle - upper pay homes to pay the extra tax?

Entitlemented says

With a new Socialist President, and higher taxes, is there any home price
reductions due to people trying to get rid of middle - upper pay homes to pay
the extra tax?

Wouldn't that be wonderful? ;-)

EBGuy says

A local did corner us once in the the neighborhood grocery store to express his displeasure with George Bush (all in French, including pantomime machine gun with sound effects).

Probably a bad time to order a basket of freedom fries...

David9 says

no one was rude to me and I found the French rather friendly actually

Yep, that was my observation in 1985 and in 1993. The second time, with toddler. French were very friendly, everywhere we went in Paris and all over the country. Even though we ONLY spoke English. If they talked derisively in their language behind our backs, who cares? if they were so friendly to our faces.

I love Corsica. The people are especially friendly.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Yep, that was my observation in 1985 and in 1993.

I would go back again, this time, more hang out time..

Peter P says

I love Corsica. The people are especially friendly.

A facebook friend of a friend from Corsica took the time to show me around Paris for 2 days, some sites, how to use the subway, all because he just liked showing off Paris. Yes, Very Nice!

SiO2 says

The worldwide prevalence of English makes travel relatively easy. It would be difficult for someone speaking only Spanish, Russian, or Chinese.

Yep.

You reminded me of when we were touristing in Kyoto, seeing the Chinese young lady tourists and the Japanese cop struggling to communicate in English about which tram those two should take.

Paris RE prices are due for a good correction, 10-20% within the next couple of years. There has been a long and big runup in prices over the last decade.

As far as the food, it is possible to eat very well on a budget in Paris. A lot of good local bistros have table d'hotes (2-3 course menu) for under 20€, then you have creperies, traiteurs (takeout/caterers), sandwiches and DIY picnic fares (hams, cheese, packaged salads etc). And of course, wine, bread and pastries are cheap and often of stellar quality. Another thing is that price listed include taxes and service, so the menu prices in euros are roughtly the same as a menu prices back home.

sam1 says

(2-3 course menu) for under 20€,

You're choice of 10, 12, or 15 Euros for Lunch.

You're choice of 16, 18, or 20 Euros for Dinner.

Three Course meal, examples include Salmon Salad, Warm Goat Cheese Salad, Garlic Lamb, beef bourguignon, Chicken in Wine Sauce. For Dessert, Caramel Creme, French Ice Cream, or Cake.

sam1 says

stellar quality

My eating habits have changed since I got back, checking out small markets, etc. Everything tastes bland..