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121212 says

Troll zzyzzx started a pedophile thread attacking Sandy Hook kids , Patrick thought it was a joke, a joke zzyzzx made several times.

I've seen multiple racist threads, by the same people, pedophile threads and comments by zzyzzx and many, many bigoted threads made by various people all started on this Forum

I have complained and complained, there is no monitoring and you will never get it. Patrick does not care.

Yeah, you're right. Now that I think about it, Patrick started a thread awhile back about black people being more likely to murder white people or some such drivel. Although I didn't think it was very enlightened, I didn't find it overtly racist, so I didn't complain about it. But it does show you where Patrick's sentiments lie with regard to race.

zzyzzx's thread title WAS overtly racist, but what's more discouraging, I think, is that quite a few forum members saw fit to joke around about it, and not in a disapproving way, but in a "we're going along with you" way.

What's shocking is that there only seem to be a couple of people who even care.

Homeboy says

What's shocking is that there only seem to be a couple of people who even care.

I'm with you 100%

elliemae says

I never saw the original headline, so it didn't make sense to me ("ex realtor..."). I did comment on the stupidity of the headline.

However, having made a comment, I moved on and replied to mell. That comment had nothing to do with race.

You do understand that the joking around is their way of saying, "This is not an issue; you shouldn't be offended", right? You were belittling me by suggesting that this is simply a matter of "political correctness", and comparing it to a trivial example of such. But I do not find blatant racism to be a trivial matter.

I mean, for God's sake, in the 1940s they used to make jokes about black people being lazy and stealing. I guess we haven't progressed at all since then.

the amount of bigoted comments and hateful images expressed on this forum is mind blowing!

the majority are expressed as fun! comical! however a pattern has emerged with Troll zzyzzx his funny picture thread is a hate thread attacking anyone who is different from himself, be it gay, lesbian, especially female and the obese, it's never ending.

did I mentioned Troll zzyzzx pictured thread containing speech that patrick said is just a funny picture containing imagery of pedophilie hate speech attacking the sanyhook kids!

http://patrick.net/?p=1200568
and http://patrick.net/?p=1219883
POST #369 precedes the image and explains his thought process
POST #300 is disgusting
Patrick refuses to deal with it.

This image post was originally preceded by a comment that zzyzzx made about the Sandyhook kids and not being able to find a pedobears image about them, he then challenged everyone on this forum to find him one.

When no one listened he CREATED HITS OWN NAZI Propaganda linking pedophilia and Sandyhook.

I complained to Patrick he see;s nothing wrong with this image. I find it offensive.

Continuning attacks made on Woman by Troll zzyzzx

What's wrong with the "car repairs" post?

121212 says

the majority are expressed as fun! comical! however a pattern has emerged with Troll zzyzzx his funny picture thread is a hate thread attacking anyone who is different from himself, be it gay, lesbian, especially female and the obese, it's never ending.

did I mentioned Troll zzyzzx pictured thread containing speech that patrick said is just a funny picture containing imagery of pedophilie hate speech attacking the sanyhook kids!

It never ends with him, here's another attack on obese people

Troll zzyzzx is a hateful pig

again more vile shit from Troll zzyzzx

He is perhaps one of these worst bigoted, hateful, woman hating racist i I've seen on this forums. It's not funny!

Right wing commies
Leftist Nazis
Point their fingers
Rumours linger

We don't care what you think

Branded sexist
Labelled racist
Want it clearer?
Check the mirror

Some would say that we're biased
Accusations that we are racist
Well, shit comes in all hues
Now this means you
Cause things ain't always like they seem

http://www.youtube.com/embed/QJn27EZL0dA#t=1m00s

Mell - zzyzzx made up a headline that said "Black man steals iPod..." The man's race was not mentioned at all in the real article, because it's not relevant to the story. Other people don't do that, only zzyzzx. I never saw a single headline that said, "White guy shoots up elementary school", nor do I ever expect to see such a thing. To assume that people commit crimes because of their race, is racist. Please try to follow along here. I know the green guitar is real pretty, but try to focus, for fuck's sake. Or are you just trolling?

The original headline he made read : "Obama Supporter steals iPad Mini after FedEx delivered it"

he is an equal opportunity offender.

he hates woman as much as he hates everyone else.

Homeboy says

To assume that people commit crimes because of their race, is racist.

He did not say that. He was pissed precisely because it was left out of the article.

I don't find race relevant in that particular crime.

Speaking of black people, I have this man-crush on Idris Elba.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0252961/

One of the sexist men alive.

Homeboy says

Mell - zzyzzx made up a headline that said "Black man steals iPod..." The man's race was not mentioned at all in the real article, because it's not relevant to the story. Other people don't do that, only zzyzzx. I never saw a single headline that said, "White guy shoots up elementary school", nor do I ever expect to see such a thing. To assume that people commit crimes because of their race, is racist. Please try to follow along here. I know the green guitar is real pretty, but try to focus, for fuck's sake. Or are you just trolling?

I know nothing about zzyzzx and neither do you. If you want to jump to conclusions based on a couple of posts on a web forum, that's your right, but others may disagree.

Peter P says

He did not say that. He was pissed precisely because it was left out of the article.

He was pissed because the article didn't say, "A black man stole an iPod"? Why on earth would you want the article to say that?

Now I can't figure out if you guys are trolls or if you're just stupid.

mell says

I know nothing about zzyzzx and neither do you. If you want to jump to conclusions based on a couple of posts on a web forum, that's your right, but others may disagree.

I know that he put up a racist thread title, and that he deleted my post when I called him on it. I'm not claiming to know anything else about him. I don't really care; in this instance I only care about hate speech on a public forum. I haven't "jumped to a conclusion"; it is a simple fact that pointing out a thief's race when it has nothing to do with the story, is racist. He hasn't provided any other explanation, and in fact he even wrote in the other thread: "I'm making up shit to mess with people."

Peter P says

Patrick, there may be a small bug. I have trouble deleting my own comment in a thread started by a non-premium member.

Thanks for telling me! OK, it's at the top of my bug list.

121212 says

The original headline he made read : "Obama Supporter steals iPad Mini after FedEx delivered it"

I don't find that offensive. He should have left it that way.

121212 says

I have complained and complained, there is no monitoring and you will never get it. Patrick does not care.

Homeboy says

But it does show you where Patrick's sentiments lie with regard to race.

zzyzzx's thread title WAS overtly racist, but what's more discouraging, I think, is that quite a few forum members saw fit to joke around about it, and not in a disapproving way, but in a "we're going along with you" way.

What's shocking is that there only seem to be a couple of people who even care.

121212 says

the amount of bigoted comments and hateful images expressed on this forum is mind blowing!

121212 says

I complained to Patrick he see;s nothing wrong with this image. I find it offensive.

121212 says

He is perhaps one of these worst bigoted, hateful, woman hating racist i I've seen on this forums. It's not funny!

If you are so offended, why don't you "ignore" those people you find offensive?

What you don't seem to understand is that, the more you protest, the more play the original comments get. You are propagating the very messages that you find to be offensive.

So, let me explain this again:

A person starts a thread. Awesome. But as soon as another person posts to that thread, it changes. It may change for the better and continue along the lines of the original post. But it might just morph into something else. You have no control over the direction the thread takes, even if you make repeated attempts to redirect subsequent posters.

12x3, Homeboy, go ahead and dislike me all you want. I don't give a shit. But you could easily lower your blood pressure and make your viewing experience better by simply ignoring those people you don't like.

mell says

It's the ultimate club to squash any discussion/enemy.

Good point, Mell. There are two people in their club now. Perhaps they should start their own forum. Just a suggestion.

Patrick is a reasonable person. Just like any other reasonable person, he sees the futility in political correctness for the sake of being politically correct.

I do not agree with many comments. Yet I find some of them very funny. Does this make me a bad person? I don't care. I get a good laugh.

Moderate Infidel says

If there's one thing I can't stand it's people who are intolerant of other cultures and the Dutch.

Tolerance is insufficient. People need to start appreciating differences.

Peter P says

I do not agree with many comments. Yet I find some of them very funny. Does this make me a bad person? I don't care. I get a good laugh.

According to homeboy and 12x3, it makes you subhuman although to the rest of us it means that you are human, with a great sense of humor. Moderate Infidel says

If there's one thing I can't stand it's people who are intolerant of other cultures and the Dutch.

I can accept other cultures. However, I draw the line at windmills and funky wooden shoes..

elliemae says

However, I draw the line at windmills and funky wooden shoes..

Really?

I count sense of humor as one of the most important qualities in a person.

Peter P says

elliemae says

However, I draw the line at windmills and funky wooden shoes..

Really?

Nah. I was going for the joke. Hmmm, maybe it's the tulips... which reminds me...

Q: What's better than Four Roses on a piano?
A: Tulips on an organ.

Thanks! I'll be here all week! Don't forget to tip your waitress. And try the veal!

G'nite everybody!

Explanation about a bad comedian explains

This is a cliche from nightclub comedians. It probably goes back to the 1950's or even earlier. Other comedians later on would then mock this typical nightclub comic banter either to make fun of themselves, or to make fun of an older type of stand-up comedy which was considered "square" and "old fashioned," typical of a nightclub performer in Las Vegas or Miami Beach in the 1950's or 1960's, e.g. Jack Carter, Shecky Greene, Don Rickles, or comics of that generation.

The "brick wall" comedy clubs of the 1970's and 1980's many times did not serve food. The earlier Las Vegas style venues featuring comedians were more likely to serve formal entrees and dinners in a nightclub setting, as well cocktails, leading the comics to urge the audience to "try the veal" or comments similar to that. Most comedy clubs these days do serve drinks, making the exhortation to "tip your waitress" still relevant.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_said_Im_here_all_night_folks_try_the_veal_and_tip_the_waitress

Tough crowd tonight! (elliemae taps the microphone) Is this thing on? Hey - is this an audience or an oil painting?...

I love veal.

elliemae says

If you are so offended, why don't you "ignore" those people you find offensive?

I don't think hate speech should be ignored. I think it should be called out when it happens. What would be the point of participating in a public forum if I just ignored things that I disagreed with - that I think are wrong?

What I'm wondering is why you would defend racism? If you don't like this thread, why don't you ignore me? Seems like you've gone out of your way to be here, telling me I shouldn't decry racism. Why?

elliemae says

A person starts a thread. Awesome. But as soon as another person posts to that thread, it changes. It may change for the better and continue along the lines of the original post. But it might just morph into something else. You have no control over the direction the thread takes, even if you make repeated attempts to redirect subsequent posters.

I don't think you read anything that I wrote. Or if you did, you weren't paying attention.

elliemae says

12x3, Homeboy, go ahead and dislike me all you want. I don't give a shit.

For someone who allegedly doesn't give a shit, you sure seem to have your panties in a wad about this.

Call it Crazy says

To sit here and complain on an anonymous forum is insane!

Really? It's insane to complain about things on a forum? Exaggerate much?

Rants are fun to read.

Peter P says

Patrick is a reasonable person. Just like any other reasonable person, he sees the futility in political correctness for the sake of being politically correct.

But that's nonsense. Writing a fake headline that says, "Black man steals iPod" is out-and-out racism. Why are you trying to compare that to trivial examples of "political correctness"? This is by no means "for the sake of being politically correct"; this is to call someone out for being blatantly racist. Do you really not understand the difference? Do you really think racism is a trivial matter?

I'm curious - would ANYTHING cross a line for you? If I changed my avatar to a hooded KKK member and wrote, "The only good nigger is a dead nigger", would you just consider that to be trivially "non-PC"?

There are non-PC things written here every day. I choose not to comment on 99% of them. Only twice have I seen things that I thought crossed a line. One was Captain Shuddup making a facetious political comment on the Sandy Hook shooting, the very day it happened. And the other was this thread title zzyzzyx wrote.

He certainly has the right to say whatever he wants, but I also have the right to say that he's a racist asshole troll. And you aren't much better.

I was talking about Patrick. You cannot expect him to censor speech. If he had done that, he would be being politically correct for the sake of political correctness.

I am not necessarily defending zzyzzx's comment.

Joking about something does not implies hatred. I joke about myself all the time. Does that make me a self-hater?

Homeboy says

I'm curious - would ANYTHING cross a line for you?

To me, crossing the line means making illegal or non-protected speech. I have a rather high tolerance for speech. But inciting violence or crime will definitely be crossing the line.

Homeboy says

Peter P says

Patrick is a reasonable person. Just like any other reasonable person, he sees the futility in political correctness for the sake of being politically correct.

But that's nonsense. Writing a fake headline that says, "Black man steals iPod" is out-and-out racism

Sure, it is racist. But he has the right to be racist, IMHO.

Here are some ways to deal with it which don't require anyone to tell him what he can or cannot say:

* Use the "ignore" link (now on the author page for each user; just click on their name or icon)
* Start your own thread that you can moderate.
* Become a Premium user so he cannot delete your comments. Only $5/month, first month free! Easily instantly cancelled.

Peter P says

To me, crossing the line means making illegal or non-protected speech. I have a rather high tolerance for speech. But inciting violence or crime will definitely be crossing the line.

Yes, that's about it for me too. I feel I'd have to delete these cases because of the legal ramifications:

* inciting violence
* actual child porn (not jokes in bad taste about child porn)
* flagrant copyright violations (excerpting for discussion is OK, but whole article copying is not)