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Dan8267
2013 Jan 15, 5:58am
They can have my gun when they remove it from my cold stiff hands...
Actually, they can have your gun if you carry a small bag of weed on you. So much for gun ownership being a right.
Thedaytoday
2013 Jan 15, 6:08am
New York legislature passes tighter gun laws
The new law includes provisions that would:
Change the definition of an assault weapon as one having two “military rifle features†to one.
Ban Internet sales of assault weapons.
Make private sales of assault weapons between anyone besides family members
subject to outside background checks.
Make it a misdemeanor to own a magazine of more than 7 bullets (the previous limit was 10).
Persons owning higher ammunition magazines would have a year to sell them.
Require therapists to report to the state mentally ill patients who they believe may use guns illegally. Authorities could confiscate those patients’ weapons.
Increase sentences for gun crimes.
leo707
2013 Jan 15, 6:15am
Make it a misdemeanor to own a magazine of more than 7 bullets (the previous limit was 10).
That is just silly, the 10 limit was fine. You can get a S&W 327 .357 revolver that holds more than 7 shots.
Peter P
2013 Jan 15, 6:21am
Make it a misdemeanor to own a magazine of more than 7 bullets (the previous limit was 10).
That is just silly, the 10 limit was fine. You can get a S&W 327 .357 revolver that holds more than 7 shots.
They want to frustrate gun manufacturers. It has nothing to do with being sensible.
leo707
2013 Jan 15, 6:30am
They want to frustrate gun manufacturers. It has nothing to do with being sensible.
I don't know....It can't be that difficult to just start making clips with lower capacities.
I think they just wanted to feel they were doing something without actually doing anything.
I would be willing to bet they settled on 7 round max because of the 1911.
leo707
2013 Jan 15, 6:34am
Require therapists to report to the state mentally ill patients who they believe may use guns illegally. Authorities could confiscate those patients’ weapons.
This sounds like it is the most effective law, in the group, when trying to prevent mass shootings.
They should have also required gun owners with mentally ill family members--and children for that matter--to have secure gun storage.
Peter P
2013 Jan 15, 6:36am
They want to frustrate gun manufacturers. It has nothing to do with being sensible.
I don't know....It can't be that difficult to just start making clips with lower capacities.
I think they just wanted to feel they were doing something without actually doing anything.
I would be willing to bet they settled on 7 round max because of the 1911.
Now they need a 7-round for NY, a 10-round for CA, and larger ones for other states. Some manufacturers will just give up.
Will there be a return to single stack pistols?
leo707
2013 Jan 15, 6:42am
Will there be a return to single stack pistols?
Yeah, with higher calibers, and I would not be surprised if the 1911 increases in popularity.
FortWayne
2013 Jan 15, 6:48am
They should have also required gun owners with mentally ill family members--and children for that matter--to have secure gun storage.
They should emphasize gun safety more often. Won't stop someone really determined though. But that's the cost of having violent mentally ill people in society. No free lunch there.
Peter P
2013 Jan 15, 6:52am
Some manufacturers will just give up.
They will not.
A lot of them stopped selling in CA and MA.
Shaman
2013 Jan 15, 6:52am
It's all the Chinese people's fault! Didnt they invent gun powder? Before then, humanity was peaceful and murders rarely happened. Wars were accomplished with much more humane swords, arrows, pikes, and maces. Nothing says pacifism like spreading an enemies cranial contents across a battlefield with a well aimed mace strike!
My solution: let's put 80% of the GDP into research to build a time machine. Then send Seal Team Six back to assassinate the Chinese bastard who ruined the world with his darn invention!
leo707
2013 Jan 15, 6:56am
They should emphasize gun safety more often.
Yep, gun safety can not be emphasized too much. Last year my sister went to the funeral of a teenage nephew (from here husbands side) who was accidentally shot by his brother. From a family of avid hunters and the kids grew up around guns.
Won't stop someone really determined though.
Some years ago I had a friend who, while in a bout of severe depression, tried getting into his parents gun safe. Fortunately his was unsuccessful.
But that's the cost of having violent mentally ill people in society. No free lunch there.
Yep, if only we had places and funding to lockup the dangerously mentally ill like we did in the 1950s.
FortWayne
2013 Jan 15, 7:16am
Fortunately his was unsuccessful.
Yes, I always kept mine locked up and stored ammo in a separate location too. Kids are smart, but usually not really determined, and they give up at some point.
Yep, if only we had places and funding to lockup the dangerously mentally ill like we did in the 1950s.
We were supposed to build half way houses to replace those, but no one wanted them near their neighborhood so we never really did what we were supposed to do. So politicians just dance around the issue, and do everything else that they can to prolong their political careers instead of finding cures to societal ills.
leo707
2013 Jan 15, 7:22am
Fortunately his was unsuccessful.
Yes, I always kept mine locked up and stored ammo in a separate location too. Kids are smart, but usually not really determined, and they give up at some point.
Oh, he was in his late 20s when he tried. He went at the safe with a sledgehammer and power tools.
We were supposed to build half way houses to replace those, but no one wanted them near their neighborhood so we never really did what we were supposed to do.
That may have fixed the homeless problem, but I don't know if it would really prevent the dangerously mentally ill from running amok. Don't most of them (the spree killers) have homes anyway?
FortWayne
2013 Jan 15, 7:28am
Oh, he was in his late 20s when he tried. He went at the safe with a sledgehammer and power tools.
That is one impressive kid, he'll go far in life if he keeps that level of determination. I don't think our daughter ever tried, girls might be different.
That may have fixed the homeless problem, but I don't know if it would really prevent the dangerously mentally ill from running amok. Don't most of them (the spree killers) have homes anyway?
Good point, all these spree killers have all been living at home and on some sort of meds. But at the same time, I bet a lot more crime is committed by others. Spree killers there is only a handful I can think of.
Now they need a 7-round for NY, a 10-round for CA, and larger ones for other states. Some manufacturers will just give up.
so ... you buy two barrel.. with two 7 round clips.. 7+7 = 14...
JodyChunder
2013 Jan 15, 1:52pm
Can 3D printers print bullets?
You could knock some together in your garage easily enough. Need to mix up some cordite -- nitro, guncotton, and petroleum jelly. You could even cast the brasses yourself.
deepcgi
2013 Jan 15, 2:14pm
Or a South American country could just invite and legally allow weapons production factories which would receive the full support of the pro-gun lobby who wouldn't have ordinarily - if the US weren't being hostile to gun ownership at the time. We can't control drug trafficking, why would gun trafficking WITH popular support be more easily controlled.
Venezuela makes another mint.
Good point, all these spree killers have all been living at home and on some sort of meds. But at the same time, I bet a lot more crime is committed by others. Spree killers there is only a handful I can think of.
Drug dealers / gang bangers go on a shooting spree everyday in big cities...
same people same gang infested corner of the city.. same time every day...
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I'm completely anti gun, but I've concluded that in the long run, gun control can't work.
The reason is 3d printers. I've now seen two very good proposals for how guns can be printed, and shells to go with it (ammo making still requires manual work to fill the shells)
Given that reality, I expect gun control to be about as successful as piracy control.
I think we should instead focus on making people just not want guns. Think about the PSA from childhood telling us not to smoke. Now my generation doesn't smoke.
I have zero desire to own a gun and even less to shoot somebody with one. If we could raise a generation to not want to use guns, maybe we could prevent them from killing each other. The nut jobs who are afraid of the government or just like to shoot things would still print their guns and shoot them, but most people wouldn't.
I was raised around violent movies and video games, but never saw a gun in person other than police officers until I was an adult. As a result, I only associated guns with murder and war. Maybe we could replicate that experience to kids now and keep them from viewing guns as a tool that was used for solving every day conflict.