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Clarence 13X says

My list of miscrients I dont want my daughter around:

1. Biker Gang
2. Street Gang
3. Rock N Roll
4. Hip Hop
5. Welfare
6. Trailer Park
7. Ghetto
8. Tattoo Fiends
9. Racists
10. Drug Abusers
11. Thugs of all kinds (KKK, Black Panthers, Prison Inmates)

That is a pretty wide net you are throwing. It is starting make you sound like the movie bad guy who bans dancing in the town.

JuliannaM says

Before 1882, there were about 2,100 lynchings by KKK members. Assuming all those killed were blacks, we arrive at a maximum number: less than 5,600 blacks were killed by the KKK since its founding.
Indeed, "Lynching Century" states: "From 1865 to 1965 more than 6,000 blacks died in racial violence in the United States." [That is, 6,000 blacks killed by all sources, not by KKK members]. Intra-racial [not inter-racial], being the most prevalent homicide causality.

I am not attempting to disprove the number of murders vs lynchings....but attempting to show the effect that lynchings had on my people far outweigh the effect abortions had. Lynchings put my people in the mindset that they were subhuman and unworthy of dignity.

leoj707 says

That is a pretty wide net you are throwing. It is starting make you sound like the movie bad guy who bans dancing in the town.

Would you prefer a gentleman or a miscrient to be your husband? I am anti-lowlife regardless of the color of the persons skin. My kids and family are good, fun loving people....just like the GAP commercials. We aspire to live a righteous life...not as bandits and unkept low lifes. People should aspire to do better in life not espouse stupidity simply because they love tattoos, long hair and freedom of personal choice.

There comes a responsibility with all those freedoms...especially if you choose to follow the wrong cultures.

Clarence 13X says

Would you prefer a gentleman or a miscrient to be your husband?

A gentleman of course, however several of the items on your list are not mutually exclusive with being a gentleman.

Clarence 13X says

My kids and family are good, fun loving people

Yes, this is the aspiration. I think more so that an "righteous" life. Righteous can be defined so many ways many of which are not good, fun loving or gentlemanly. The KKK, Black Panthers for instance thought that they were doing righteous work.

I of course agree with anything on your list that has the words: gang, thug, fiend, or abuse (we may disagree on what exactly a fiend or abuser is though). However, I have two basic issues with your list.

1. Blaming/judging someone for a situation they might not have control over, i.e.- trailer park, welfare and/or ghetto. Those living conditions are all a sign of where someone is in the socioeconomic ladder. Agreed that on average they are "lower class", but that does not mean that there are not many in those situations who are good, fun loving and/or gentlemanly/ladylike. I would not restrict my daughters associations merely because of where someone lives.

2. People can be good, fun loving and/or gentlemanly/ladylike while enjoying rock-and-roll, hip-hop, a tattoo or two, and a drink in the evening.

Also, keep in mind that many miscreants and low-life's appear "normal".

Someone objected that of course blacks murder whites at twice the rate than whites murder blacks, simply because there are many more whites around to get murdered.

Now it occurs to me that if that were valid, it would also be true that most murders of blacks would be by whites, again because again there are so many more whites around to be murderers.

But most murders of blacks are by other blacks. So it seems that blacks are statistically much more violent than whites, and it is in fact rational to be much more afraid of blacks. On average.

. leoj707 says

I would not restrict my daughters associations merely because of where someone lives.

we agree

I do not think I have ever asked my kid where her friends live. I only ask if they have both parents in the house, siblings, stuff like that.

This page is a delightful way to spend a Sunday afternoon.

I have read through most of these comments, some are thought provoking and some, not so much. My opinion about race relations between blacks and whites in america are as follows. While I see progress being made just in my short lifetime, especially with the election of a half black president, racism is still alive and prominent in the U.S, reading some of these comments reflects that, but I do believe we are moving in the right direction and it is going to take many more generations to get there. The Constitution of the United States was written by a man that owned black slaves and signed by many other men who owned slaves, our first president owned slaves. Although slavery was ended, through a bloody war, the institution of racism and opression survived openly in America until the civil rights laws were passed in the 60's. Thats only one or two generations ago, compared to hundreds of years of white supremacy in this country. Maybe in a hundred years or so, the conversation will be a little different.

What happened to the rape statistics thread?

Paul Mooney said something like: If you want to stop Racism, kill all the white people.

It's all about culture. Race is correlated with culture, but it is not causally related. Because race is correlated with culture, and more so in times past with greater geographic isolation, racial appearance was once a reasonably good predictor of cultural affiliation. This is no longer true, clothing is better. Being wary of another's culture is justified and reasonable. Culture is a form of man-made and self-induced reality programing that can and does directly influence our behavior. Hence, we all are, and should be, concerned about the relative health of our various cultural ideologies. Race has simply gotten erroneously thrown into the middle of this challenge due to the age old common sense error of inferring causation from correlational evidence.

housingcasino4865 says

Fact: Red cars are more likely to get pulled over by cops

Actually, this is not a "fact" it is a myth: http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/redcars.asp

Just goes to show that a lot of what people 'know to be true' is no such thing.

Peter P says

What happened to the rape statistics thread?

Squashed by political correctness.

It is very politically incorrect but nonethess a fact that white people are much more likely to be murdered by black people in the US than vice versa.

So a rational white person should be about 100 times more afraid of being killed by a car than being killed by a black person.

Statistically true although the whole truth is more politically correct and means the average white person is even less likely to be murdered.

Murder goes hand in hand with economic disparity (neither relatively well-off people nor equally poor kill each other that often) with those on the loosing side killing each other _much_ more often than those on top.

People like to cite _Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, and Homicides: A Tale of Two Cities_ (Sloan at el) as an example showing how American access to guns makes us less safe than Canadians where similar cities (size, geography, etc) are compared although this is incorrect.

Although Seattle and Vancouver are similar cities on opposite sides of the border they have radically different demographics.

At the time of the study white people on both sides of the border had similar economic circumstances and were safer in Seattle with 6.2 murders per 100,000 versus 6.4 per 100,000 in Vancouver.

In Vancouver the minorities were more affluent than average and their murder
rates were not out of line with those of the white population. In Seattle the black and Hispanic per-capita incomes from the 2000 census were about half the white population's ( $18,328 and $17,216 respectively vs $35,641) and murder rates consequently many times higher at 36.6 and 26.9 per 100,000 thus making for a substantially higher aggregate murder rate.

housingcasino4865 says

Applicants with white-sounding names were 50 percent more likely to be called for initial interviews than those with African American-sounding ones.

I think that only proves that "mainstream" names are more trusted than "ghetto" names. A black women named Jennifer may be percieved to be raised with different values than was a black woman named LaKeesha.

To be fair, they should have used "Trailer Court" names for the "white" variable. If you are going to use "La-Isha" style names for blacks, then you should use names like "Jagger," "Nascar," or "Juice" for whites.

While I think statistics are mostly lies, political correctness is a lie laced with poison.

People should not be forced to look tolerant. People should not even try to be tolerant. They should know that differences drive real progress and differences make life interesting. They should embrace differences.

Then we can be true to ourselves and accept consequences of such differences. We must not reject data or reason simply because they are politically incorrect.

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms (Ephesians 6:12).
Only Truth can set you free..

Patrick, you are looking at the math incorrectly . Think of this example:

You have a room with 100 Canadians, and 10 Americans, and no one knew who was Canadian and who was an American. Each one had one shot at hitting anybody across the room with a ball of yarn. At the end of the game, after everyone had had their one shot, you would end up with the same ratio to population of people hitting someone, ( 8 out of 10 Americans and 80 out of the 100 Canadians) except that the Americans will have hit mainly Canadians, while the Canadians will have hit mostly Canadians as well. ;O) Facebook : Patrick Edgar Regini

patrick regini says

Each one had one shot at hitting anybody across the room with a ball of yarn. At the end of the game, after everyone had had their one shot

But in your analogy, you'd have to admit that not everybody got one shot. The Americans get about 8 times as many shots.

Back to reality: black people are about 8 times more likely to murder someone than white people are.

There were about 3,000 murders committed by white people, and 3,000 murders committed by black people. Yet black people are only 1/8 of the population.

So from a purely rational point of view, you should be about 8 times as afraid of a black person than of a white person, knowing nothing else about them. Such a calculation is racism, and yet it is also undeniably valuable information for self-preservation.

HEY YOU says

Paul Mooney said something like: If you want to stop Racism, kill all the white people.

Paul Mooney was wrong. There is plenty of hatred between African Americans, Hispanic Americans and Asian Americans. The idea that racism is only a problem that white people have is empirically false.

The issue with these statistics is they show correlation but the question remains causation. The #1 driver of gun violence is the drug war. ATF gunwalking into Mexico resulted in a huge increase in gun violence there, part of a drug war that has killed more than 50,000 people, mostly Latino. They did not change color, they merely changed behavior: they had a drug war with a huge arsenal over smuggling profits.

The median likelihood of one person shooting another is near zero regardless of color. If you put the median likelihood black person in a room with the median likelihood white person, even if the room was chock full of guns and ammunition, neither would shoot the other. If they had to stay for a whole day, they might share a pizza.

That's why politicians claiming to care about reducing gun violence, by imposing gun control while continuing the drug war, is so obviously a farce. The gun violence occurs largely among illegal drug gangs, who are by definition breaking the law already. In the US, illegal drug gangs are disproportionately black, so gun violence is also. It would be very interesting to compare gun violence statistics by race today with statistics from the prohibition era - I suspect they would look quite different.

that white people are much more likely to be murdered by black people in the US than vice versa.

curious2 says

It would be very interesting to compare gun violence statistics by race today with statistics from the prohibition era - I suspect they would look quite different.

The Italian mafia was much smaller and very exclusive.. with associates at most 5000 members per family. With 5 major families that would be around 25,000 ... thats why they were taken down in a few decades. All but gone today..

Compared to todays US street gangs ..that would be well over 800,000 ... external links that would grow well over 1 million count organization and growing.

How many millionaire African-Americans have murdered a poor white person? I'd wager that historically, wealthy whites have killed more poor blacks than wealthy blacks have killed poor whites. Just a hunch.

It's class, and class is largely a product of racism.

CL says

It's class, and class is largely a product of racism.

It's nice to think violence is just a class issue. That's the politically correct answer.

It's not true though. Just think for a minute. The white population is so much larger that there must be at least as many poor whites as poor blacks overall. Yet blacks have 8x the violent crime rate.

The 2 basic arguments boil down to:

1. Whites are responsible for black actions.

2. Blacks are responsible for their own actions.

Either one of these choices show that blacks are like children: easily influenced, quick to rage and constantly making poor short sighted decisions in major life choices.

I prefer to stick to mathematical facts.

From Wikipedia,

"As noted above, scholars acknowledge that some racial and ethnic minorities, particularly African Americans, are disproportionately represented in the arrest and victimization reports which are used to compile crime rate statistics in the United States. The data from 2008 reveals that Black Americans are over-represented in terms of arrests made in virtually all types of crime, with the exceptions of "Driving under the influence" and "Liquor laws". Overall, Black Americans are arrested at 2.6 times the per-capita rate of all other Americans, and this ratio is even higher for murder (6.3 times) and robbery (8.1 times).[43][44]

If you're looking at math, I don't see how you can rely on any of this without knowing the true number of murders committed by each ethnicity.

--Not simply those charged, prosecuted or found guilty. The process is pervasive, right?

Your math winds up being effectively, blacks are in jail at this rate, and whites at this rate. Compare the incarceration rates and you have the rate of crime, which seems to be logically false.

The differences in arrests/jail between American whites and blacks are easily explainable if you accept all the data in racial intelligence. People of low intelligence commit more crime than people of average or high intelligence. The root of the "problem" is that black people are proven to be less intelligent than white people.

American blacks have an average IQ of 85 while White Americans have an average IQ if 100. IQ is the best measure of intelligence that the modern world has come up with, aside from "real life". Intelligence is what makes a modern civilization work.

Modern civilization does not work with an average citizen IQ of 85.

Alright; yet still, the problem is not seen truly for what it's cause and reasons are when you make the determining factor "a person's ethnicity". Because truth is, the skin color is not what makes someone prone to picking up a gun. It is a complex general social demographic and cultural condition involving many unfair and unjust factors leading to even their own conditioning in thinking that "that" is their life's predicament, of which blacks are actually the victims of, and not the other way around. I mean, I can see where the statistics are alarming, and in that, helpful in drawing our attention to a lot of things we may not be thinking of or even considering. But, if you want to speak of resolution, healing and solving the matter, then it is the social civil and cultural infrastructure and distribution of all resources including education and types of jobs that are given to one race as opposed to given to another race where we need to focus on.

CL says

How many millionaire African-Americans have murdered a poor white person

patrick regini says

Because truth is, the skin color is not what makes someone prone to picking up a gun.

Skin color is only 1 obvious difference between the races. There are virtually countless other physical differences. Intelligence is one of these differences.

patrick regini says

But, if you want to speak of resolution, healing and solving the matter, then it is the social civil and cultural infrastructure and distribution of all resources including education and types of jobs that are given to one race as opposed to given to another race where we need to focus on.

Blacks are given the exact same educational opportunities as whites in the US. It is the black genetic lack of intelligence that distances blacks from whites in school. It costs the American taxpayer trillions of dollars to pretend that blacks are capable of the same things as whites.

Jobs are not "given", they are earned through a combination of past performance, current ability and future potential.

The solution to the matter is not wasting money on trying to make unequal things equal. Once we deal with reality and stop pretending, we will be able to use resource appropriately and fairly.

foxmannumber1 says

It costs the American taxpayer trillions of dollars to pretend that blacks are
capable of the same things as whites.

Ouch it must hurt like crazy to have Obama in the White House. Must suck to be you. Carry on .

Now on the topic, yes blacks do have a higher rate of crime than any other race-in this country at this period of time. It wasn't so before-because they were treated as property and were owned by other people. But yes in current conditions, there is a lot of crime. I don't know if there are any studies done to understand why- scientific ones and not the rantings of the bigots who seem determined to turn any meaningful dialogue about race into something else.

lostand confused says

It wasn't so before-because they were treated as property and were owned by other people.

No American black alive today was ever a slave. Very, very few blacks alive today ever met a former slave.

John Bailo says

Blacks committed 13% of white homicides

447/3,327

Whites committed 8% of black homicides

218/2720

Add in the 3rd major group of homicide offenders in that list, hispanics/latinos. This will be very hard to do, as they are labeled "white" in many major murder statistics.

If the truth came out about how the super vast majority of crime was committed by blacks and hispanics/latinos when compared to white people then white people would have to do something about it. That is the last thing the liberal government wants.

foxmannumber1 says

No American black alive today was ever a slave. Very, very few blacks alive
today ever met a former slave.

Dear Lord....

Blacks have had 3-4 generations of equality in LBJ's great society. Equal funding/access in education and equal opportunity in employment. Thanks to AA, more than equal in some cases.

Blacks still lag behind whites in all desirable aspects of a modern society. Some think the old excuse of white racism is losing validity.

foxmannumber1 says

Some think the old excuse of white racism is losing validity.

Except you, nobody has brought whites are racist in this discussion. Now you are racist-but that has nothing to with which race you belong to.

lostand confused says

Now you are racist

I consider myself a race realist.

John Bailo says

Blacks committed 13% of white homicides

447/3,327

Whites committed 8% of black homicides

218/2720

It is only less than twice as likely that a white person will be killed by a black as a black will be killed by a white. From the perspective of the victim, isn't that the only statistic that matters?

5% of Americans are atheists. 0.209% of the US prison population are atheists. That's discrepancy is a factor of 24.

77% of Americans are Christians. Christians make up 79.10% of prison population

Christians are over 24 times as likely to commit a crime than an atheist. Much more so if you factor in court prejudices in favor of Christians and against atheists.

From the perspective of the victim, isn't that the only statistic that matters?

To call yourself a Christian and actually act like the idealized character are 2 very different things. Many criminals find religion while spending all of their time behind bars as a coping mechanism.

All religions are false. Faith in their fairy tales is a sign of being weak minded.