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upisdown says

Goran_K says

If you are interested in the letter of law and not some racist witch hunt,

then name a state where it's legally acceptable for someone to continue to beat

their attacker (let's assume Zimmerman did start the altercation which is the

crux of your legal argument) when they have been incapacitated as Zimmerman was

when he asked John Good to help him ?

So incapacitated that while fighting or is it while being beaten into an incapacitated state, GZ was still able to unholster his pistol, get the pistol between himself and TM(so as not to shoot himself by accident), and then pull the trigger of the pistol to fire it, thus killing TM.

Ole GZ makes Chuck Norris come across as a real big pussy.

Doesn't take Chuck Norris, just a life and death struggle where someone is trying to preserve life, the strongest of all innate human instincts.

According to the autopsy, it was a contact shot, so all Zimmerman had to do was pull the gun with the barrel facing Trayvon, no complex aiming involved.

happens all the time actually, especially with cops, just search for gun struggles involving law enforcement. Lots of perps have been finished off with close quarter contact shots after a struggle/fight for the gun. The perp usually loses because the barrel is facing the wrong way when the gun comes out.

It would actually be quite surprising if Zimmerman "shot himself" as it would require some assistance from Trayvon for that barrel to turn 180.

Goran_K says

happens all the time actually, especially with cops, just search for gun
struggles involving law enforcement. Lots of perps have been finished off with
close quarter contact shots after a struggle/fight for the gun. The perp usually
loses because the barrel is facing the wrong way when the gun comes out.

Uh, yea. I guess the hundreds of hours and endless continuing training was useless, when I could of just taken the Neighborhood Watch seminar like GZ. Thanks for the heads up info.Goran_K says

It would actually be quite surprising if Zimmerman "shot himself" as it would
require some assistance from Trayvon for that barrel to turn 180.

Or, just a defensive action upon GZ's arm or pistol. I'll remember that for future reference.

Well, I'm sure you've been involved in lots of life and death struggles where your "hundreds of hours" of training in... internet-fight-jitsu, helped you win every battle. That being said I'm not sure how your keyboard warrior training really helps shed light on this incident.

But what I do know is that the evidence and witness testimony fits better under Zimmerman's account than it does the prosecutions where Trayvon is whimpering on the phone "like a child", yelling for help because some racist white guy is about to shoot him.

Goran_K says

Well, I'm sure you've been involved in lots of life and death struggles where
your "hundreds of hours" in training in... internet-fight-jitsu, helped you win
every battle. That being said I'm not sure how your keyboard warrior training
really helps shed light on this incident.

But what I do know is that the evidence and witness testimony fits better
under Zimmerman's account than it does the prosecutions.

Nope, just a couple of close encounters that ended in nothing. It was too stressful dealing with the 5-10% of society that sucks up 90% of the emergency or safety services of society, on behalf of people the likes of you.

Stick to blogging, it suits you and your knowledge level.

marcus says

By the way, listen to Obama's speech when he talks about what it's dealing with what all black boys and men do if you are half as open minded as you claim to be.

I thought Obama was going to talk about real issues that impact black Americans, hi % out of marriage children, hi % of black on black killings, hi % of drop out, hi % of unemployment, and little in future prospects.

but no! he talked about something that will never effect many at all.

Obviously it was the Latino half that helped cause we all know a white man wouldn't.

Via sarah Silverman: "Not to be a conspiracy theorist but has anyone seen Chaz Bono and George Zimmerman in the same room?"

Goran_K says

Zimmerman was still guilty in marcus's mind. Not of any crime though, but simply of not being black.

Wow, ain't that the truth. And not just Marcus, but the media and public.

White/Latino/Jew. All natural enemies of the Black Man.

Goran_K says

If you are interested in the letter of law and not some racist witch hunt, then name a state where it's legally acceptable for someone to continue to beat their attacker (let's assume Zimmerman did start the altercation which is the crux of your legal argument) when they have been incapacitated as Zimmerman was when he asked John Good to help him ?

I've never responded to this because it's so absurd. You have no reason to believe that Martin would not have stopped pounding Zimmerman.

How often does someone get beaten to death? At some point Martin would be satisfied, even in your deranged version of events.

Even in Zimmerman's account his reason he shot him wasn't that he wouldn't stop beating him.

Also you fail to realize that if someone won't stop pounding on you, you won't be able to get your gun. Zimmerman deals with that by saying Martin stopped to put his hands over his mouth and nose. Yeah, riiiight...

This is Zimmerman's story:

As I slid the suspect covered my mouth and nose and stopped my breathing. At this point I felt the suspect reach for my now exposed firearm and say "you're going to die tonight mother Fucker" I unholstered my firearm in fear for my life, as he had assured me he was going to kill me and I fired one shot into his torso. The suspect sat back allowing me to sit up and said "You got me".

I think that if you're so interested in defending Zimmerman, you should learn his story, even if it does sound like total bullshit.

I especially like the way he works "he had assured me he was going to kill me" in to the same sentence in which he describes pulling the trigger to kill Martin.

I can't imagine why he would do that, can you ?

(hint: could it be that when giving his statement Zimmerman feared that what he had done was not self defense ?)

Here's your assignment. If you're so hell bent on defending Zimmerman's murdering Martin, I want you to try to come up with a good argument. MAybe talk to some intelligent folks to get some ideas.

One good argument is going to be more compelling than repeating the same nonsense over and over.

And if I don't respond, its probably just because I'm ignoring you.

Glad you asked.
I goggled "beaten to death". Literally hundreds of hits came up. cut and pasted the first 4 to get you started towards the road to recovery.

http://fox40.com/local-news/stories/man-beaten-to-death-in-midtown-sacramento/

http://zeenews.india.com/news/uttar-pradesh/man-beaten-to-death-in-up_863826.html

http://www.sacramentopress.com/headline/80696/Vigil_held_for_man_beaten_to_death_in_Midtown

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/07/19/man-beat-to-death-with-frying-pans/

marcus says

I've never responded to this because it's so absurd. You have no reason to believe that Martin would not have stopped pounding Zimmerman.

How often does someone get beaten to death. At some point Martin would be satisfied, even in your deranged version of events.

I'm not sure what to say. The guy thinks Zimmerman shouldn't have shot Trayvon because "how often does someone get beat to death"?

So Zimmerman was perfectly safe and should have just waited until Trayvon got tired of beating him. If that doesn't paint marcus as a delusional racist who plays race like he plays sports teams, not sure what will. The worst part is this guy claims to teach kids. Would anyone want their kids around this guy?

Goran, you need to work this in to your argument:

Zimmerman only shot Martin because he could feel MArtin going for his gun to shoot him, and simultaneously to this Martin had verbally assured Zimmerman he was going to use his gun to shoot him.

Zimmerman then had no other choice but to do to Martin what Martin had said he was going to do to him.

Also Martin was on top of Zimmerman preventing his escape. Are you getting it yet marcus? Forget that you love Jesse Jackson for a second,

marcus says

Zimmerman only shot Martin because he could feel MArtin going for his gun to shoot him, and simultaneously to this Martin had verbally assured him he was going to use Zimmerman's gun to shoot him.

Maybe you can make a movie out of it...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/JvVQvBJVygg

John Bailo says

Zimmer is a registered Democrat and may well have voted twice for Obama...
so labeling him some kind of White GOP.. Clansman.. does little

He is one of you.. and you are ready to throw him into the gas chamber...

Brilliant how you guys work !

Goran_K says

Forget that you love Jesse Jackson for a second,

I haven't seen or heard much from Jesse Jackson is years,...decades really. And never was that much of a fan. He had an important message though and influence. Hey, change is hard. Dissolving weird cultural barriers is hard (and also by definition a merging of cultures(what scares you)). But in both cases it's because I'm not actively involved in that world or those political movements.

But I enjoyed some of his oratory in a way. His bringing rhyme into oratory for general public consumption was something relatively unprecedented. He has an usual style that I sort of liked, and an important message back when he was a bigger presence in the democratic party.

But I was a white boy in the suburbs back then, without the decades of urban living experience I have now. So he didn't exactly speak to me in in the same way that I'm sure he did to many.

SoftShell says

Glad you asked.

I goggled "beaten to death". Literally hundreds of hits came up. cut and pasted the first 4 to get you started towards the road to recovery.

Wow, hundreds of hits 'eh. And, you say these are results from a Google search? My, if you got that many and were able to link to four then that certainly answers the question as to how often beating deaths occur.

Yeah, screw those schmucks who would have used numbers from places like the FBI Uniform Crime Reports "data", or some other government propaganda! We know in our guts that it happens all the time, and Google proved it!

The level of effort I put forth gathering information is directly related to the evidence needed to win the debate. Since I've won this debate a long time ago on factual evidence, backed up by a jury in a court of law, the time allocation for gathering more evidence was limited to about 5 seconds, in which a google search proved more expedient than an FBI search.

'sides, no need to paste the thousands of results. Anyone can repeat the 5 second experiment at will and have the results in front of you for review.

leo707 says

Wow, hundreds of hits 'eh. And, you say these are results from a Google search? My, if you got that many and were able to link to four then that certainly answers the question as to how often beating deaths occur.

Marcus implies below that someone getting beaten to death is such a rare event, that it is not plausible to think that martin would not stop beating zimmerman until he was dead.

Your retort, sarcastically implying that "it happens all the time" does nothing to address marcus's assertion.

My short, concise, limited response via google demonstrates that 'getting beaten to death' is not as rare as Marcus would like us to believe.

Could I have taken the extra time to gather up FBI statistics? Sure. But then again, why bother? The Zimmerman defenders have already tasted the appetizers and scoffed down the main course. Now we are just picking at the dessert tray hoping somehow to keep our massive southern guts in check..

marcus says

I've never responded to this because it's so absurd. You have no reason to believe that Martin would not have stopped pounding Zimmerman.

How often does someone get beaten to death? At some point Martin would be satisfied, even in your deranged version of events.

leo707 says

We know in our guts that it happens all the time, and Google proved it!

What does the density of cloth have to do with "red" and "gray"?
It's Florida in February. Everybody wears 'light clothing'...

John Bailo says

2. A bunch of people who used descriptions like "light clothing" when one was wearing red and the other gray.

John Bailo says

Remember, Zimmerman had no cuts on is scalp. The bleeding stopped when they wiped the surface liquids off.

You are willfully ignorant or attempting to rewrite history. Virtually everything you say about this case did not happen.

Since we're down to posting funny pictures now.

foxmannumber1 says

John Bailo says

Remember, Zimmerman had no cuts on is scalp. The bleeding stopped when they wiped the surface liquids off.

You are willfully ignorant or attempting to rewrite history. Virtually everything you say about this case did not happen.

John has to be a troll. Zimmerman had no cuts? The closest eyewitness was unreliable? Zimmerman smeared blood on his own head?

leo707 says

SoftShell says

Glad you asked.

I goggled "beaten to death". Literally hundreds of hits came up. cut and pasted the first 4 to get you started towards the road to recovery.

Wow, hundreds of hits 'eh. And, you say these are results from a Google search? My, if you got that many and were able to link to four then that certainly answers the question as to how often beating deaths occur.

Yeah, screw those schmucks who would have used numbers from places like the FBI Uniform Crime Reports "data", or some other government propaganda! We know in our guts that it happens all the time, and Google proved it!

Here you go
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Over 4000 people were "beaten to death" from 2007 to 2011 by "hands and feet" according to the FBI, or about 5% of all homicides tracked by the FBI during that time period. marcus is simply wrong. It's not rare at all.

He was better off with the gay rapist defense, at least that was comical.

marcus says

It doesn't really matter why Zimmerman was so delusional as to assume that
MArtin was a bad person,

lol ... aint marcus assuming TM aint a bad person?? lmao

How many twenty year olds were beaten to death when they outweighed their opponent by 30-40 LBS?

It ain't likely.

Also there are nearly a million assaults every year.

Weighing more does not necessarily translate into an advantage during a fight.
Being heavier can be an indication that the heavier person is not as fit as the lighter person.

StillLooking says

How many twenty year olds were beaten to death when they outweighed their opponent by 30-40 LBS?

It ain't likely

Zimmerman was trained in the martial arts and he outweighed Martin. The odds against him dying here must be astronomical.

Also since he had an arm free to shoot martin, he obviously had an arm free to defend himself with less lethal force.

And it is likely that Martin was the one that was doing the defending.

Goran_K says

I'm not sure what to say. The guy thinks Zimmerman shouldn't have shot Trayvon because "how often does someone get beat to death"?

So Zimmerman was perfectly safe and should have just waited until Trayvon got tired of beating him. If that doesn't paint marcus as a delusional racist who plays race like he plays sports teams, not sure what will. The worst part is this guy claims to teach kids. Would anyone want their kids around this guy?

Good PR for GZ would be bringing the "child" he killed back to life.

StillLooking says

Zimmerman was trained in the martial arts and he outweighed Martin. The odds
against him dying here must be astronomical.

only someone with zero time in conflict would ever say something so wrong. What if GZ was a woman ... with MMA training and outweighed TM by 50 lbs?? Use some honesty in your process.

StillLooking says

And it is likely that Martin was the one that was doing the defending.

it's likely TM picked the wrong victim. Libs hate it when someone refuses to be the victim.

Bap33 says

it's likely TM picked the wrong victim. Libs hate it when someone refuses to be the victim.

That's the entire platform. Wave the race card.... err... victim flag.

StillLooking says

How many twenty year olds were beaten to death when they outweighed their opponent by 30-40 LBS?

It ain't likely.

Also there are nearly a million assaults every year.

100% of the attackers that refused to stop before their victim was dead were successful. Suggesting a victim should gamble to see if their attacker is a quitter or not is horrible advice. You worry about yourself, and take that gamble if you wish.

There are 4,000 dead people from 2007 to 2011 who would say getting beat to death is a distinct reality in a street fight.

You are so full of it.

. And I know about fighting.

And Zimmerman wasn't a woman, and it is rare to be killed in a fight.

Bap33 says

StillLooking says

Zimmerman was trained in the martial arts and he outweighed Martin. The odds

against him dying here must be astronomical.

only someone with zero time in conflict would ever say something so wrong. What if GZ was a woman ... with MMA training and outweighed TM by 50 lbs?? Use some honesty in your process.

To make the claim that Martin picked Zimmerman as a victim is so idiotic.

We know Zimmerman Was stalking Martin

Bap33 says

StillLooking says

And it is likely that Martin was the one that was doing the defending.

it's likely TM picked the wrong victim. Libs hate it when someone refuses to be the victim.

StillLooking says

it is rare to be killed in a fight.

sir .... unless the victim is alseep or out of arms reach there SHOULD be a fight before someone is killed. How many pounds of dope have you smoked thus far in life? Be honest.

You know zero about fighting. zero.

StillLooking says

and it is rare to be killed in a fight.

Bap33 says

StillLooking says

Zimmerman was trained in the martial arts and he outweighed Martin. The odds

against him dying here must be astronomical.

only someone with zero time in conflict would ever say something so wrong. What if GZ was a woman ... with MMA training and outweighed TM by 50 lbs?? Use some honesty in your process.

Getting beat to death accounts for about 5% of all FBI tracked homicides. That's rare? Seems like it happens quite a bit.

Your stats don't show 4000 people killed in a fight.

Obviously compromised individuals will be at risk of death in a physical altercation.

Goran_K says

There are 4,000 dead people from 2007 to 2011 who would say getting beat to death is a distinct reality in a street fight.