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Because he lies like a rug.
Because he is Bush 2.0.
Because he gives Comedy Central style monologues while he chastises half of the nation.
Because he's a disingenuous douche bag.

This sounds like a lot of...

Just they hate him because... well, you know.

Because he has the innate ability to change the rules for his rich buddies, that are detrimental to our democracy and competitiveness of small business

Could you be more specific about this? You have any particular rules in mind?

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freak80 2012 Mar 5, 4:02am

it's because he's black...duh...

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TPB 2012 Mar 5, 8:22am

It's up to you Comrade FortWayne, but at this rate, you might not have a choice or the right to vote the next time around.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 6, 10:28am

Funny how the Obama haters can't say exactly why they hate him

So true, except for us rare independents. I hate Obama for the exact same reasons I hate Bush. The exact same reasons.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 6, 10:30am

Honest Abe says

Because he's fundamentally changing America for the worst.

Correction: because he's fundamentally staying the course America for the worst.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 6, 10:33am

It's up to you Comrade FortWayne, but at this rate, you might not have a choice or the right to vote the next time around.

William E Baughb

The USA Patriot Act could be used to suspend elections in an emergency, where emergency is defined at the sole discretion of the president. Pretty much, the president can do anything under the USA Patriot Act.

Of course, Republicans are mostly responsible for that act.

155 Honest Abe 2012 Mar 16, 10:15am

Dan, you're right, the repub's are mostly responsible for the unpatriotic US Patriot Act...but what has Messiah Obama done to reduce or eliminate it? Anything at all?????

156 thomas.wong1986 2012 Mar 16, 12:11pm

I'm more concerned about my Constitutional right not to be on a secret government hit list of American citizens. You know, the whole due process thing.

Dan ! your not that important... you will never be that important. Your a nobody.. no one is going to stomp on your little rights... Fact is the only list you should be worried about is the list of cities which the terrorist have selected to set off their Nuke...

157 thomas.wong1986 2012 Mar 16, 12:36pm

Hate for Obama is something they can't explain by anything Obama has done or not done.
Just they hate him because... well, you know.

He may be a decent person and I do not hate President Obama.. but certainly does hang with very abnormal questionable hateful people who would rather see me, a white man, dead.

And you ask, why does Patrick feel some hate Obama?
This is a rather strange question.

Father Flagler (Radical racist advocating black liberation theology)

William Ayers (anti-american terrorist who helped launch his career, leader of a group which bombed the pentagon)

Reverend Wright (race baiting spiritual mentor who espouses black liberation theology and was his paster for 20 years, baptizing his children and conducting his marraige ceremony)

Saul Alinsky (mentor, author of Rules for Radicals, an anti-american instruction book in which he dedicated to satan)

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freak80 2012 Mar 16, 2:19pm

Dan ! your not that important... you will never be that important. Your a nobody.. no one is going to stomp on your little rights... Fact is the only list you should be worried about is the list of cities which the terrorist have selected to set off their Nuke...

Well put. But watch the spelling: "you are" = "you're", not "your" ;-)

159 nope 2012 Mar 16, 4:56pm

but certainly does hang with very abnormal questionable hateful people who would rather see me, a white man, dead.

Still claiming to not be a racist?

3 of the 4 people you mention here are white men.

2 of the 4 Obama has never even spoken to (one died when he was 10 years old!)

Only one of those people on your list is even someone that you could say had any influence on the man, and the only things you know about him are a few controversial out-of-context video clips that were used to attempt to harm Obama in the 2008 election.

And the funny thing about that one person is that the "controversial" stuff that he said would be completely agreed upon by most of the Obama haters if it came out of the mouth of a white conservative. It's all very anti-government, pro-God, pro-individual rah rah bullshit.

160 thomas.wong1986 2012 Mar 16, 5:15pm

wthrfrk80 says

Well put. But watch the spelling: "you are" = "you're", not "your" ;-)

using email at work answering 100+ messages a day for 25+ years and than at home and now on my cell phone does that to you.. your spelling/grammer takes a hit but its ok...

161 thomas.wong1986 2012 Mar 16, 5:42pm

2 of the 4 Obama has never even spoken to (one died when he was 10 years old!)

nazis today hail hitler everday, none ever met or spoke to hitler ever in their life. Obama was heavily influences by Saul Alinsky.
The other 3 are nut cases and have connections with then community organizer Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/e56k3ZvLYxU

3 of the 4 people you mention here are white men.

white, black, asian.. they can all be blind racist drones..

Whats racist... Derrick Bell
â€œI Live to Harass White Folks"
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162 thomas.wong1986 2012 Mar 16, 6:17pm

It's all very anti-government, pro-God, pro-individual rah rah bullshit.

This isnt the former Warsaw Block Eastern Europe! so talk of anti-government talk is crap. Our system works fine ! You need to drive into the heartland of this great nation one day and meet its people, the heart and soul.

163 nope 2012 Mar 18, 5:55am

Kevin says

It's all very anti-government, pro-God, pro-individual rah rah bullshit.

This isnt the former Warsaw Block Eastern Europe! so talk of anti-government talk is crap. Our system works fine ! You need to drive into the heartland of this great nation one day and meet its people, the heart and soul.

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 18, 7:33am

Honest Abe says

Dan, you're right, the repub's are mostly responsible for the unpatriotic US Patriot Act...but what has Messiah Obama done to reduce or eliminate it? Anything at all?????

Absolutely nothing. Which is one of many reasons why Obama is a terrible president.

The Republicans could take advantage of this if it weren't for the fact that they are for all the same bad policies as Obama.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 18, 7:42am

Dan8267 says

I'm more concerned about my Constitutional right not to be on a secret government hit list of American citizens. You know, the whole due process thing.

Dan ! your not that important... you will never be that important. Your a nobody.. no one is going to stomp on your little rights... Fact is the only list you should be worried about is the list of cities which the terrorist have selected to set off their Nuke...

You don't have to be important to have your rights trampled on, to be tortured, falsely imprisoned, or executed. Just ask the Uighurs. Just ask Rodney King.

Just ask Abner Louima, the innocent nobody who was tortured and raped by police including having a plunger put up his ass literally. And for what? The police mistakenly identified him for some guy who got in a street fight outside of a nightclub.

If you think you are safe because you are a nobody, you're dumber than you sound. You are not safe because you are a nobody. People who are connected to power and wealth are safe. Nobodies like you and me are not.

Furthermore, more people have died from Stalin and Hitler each than have died from all the criminals and all the terrorists in all of history combined. The power of the state to do evil is far greater than the power of terrorists. You are far more likely to be killed by your own government than by some terrorist.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 18, 7:44am

He may be a decent person and I do not hate President Obama

He's not a decent person. Decent people don't torture and murder. And having a list of U.S. citizens to assassinate without trial is murder, plain and simple. The only reason to deny a person a trial is that the state has no case against him.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 18, 7:48am

FortWayne says

Why did so fiscally responsible Obama reappoint all the same people back that caused the financial collapse in the first place? The only person that was let go was Greenspan, and that was before Obama even took the office.

Simple: Obama is not fiscally responsible. Even when Greenspan left, of his own accord, he was replaced with Bernake, who is even worse.

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TPB 2012 Mar 18, 8:02am

One hundred days before the election, I promise to come here and post one valid reason to dislike Obama every day until election day.

No Name calling, and no low blow by talking unsubstantiated GOP talking points. I will list a fact a day in this very thread. Or I will start a new one if this one is gone.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 18, 8:06am

One hundred days before the election, I promise to come here and post one valid reason to dislike Obama every day until election day.

Why wait? I've listed plenty of reasons to dislike, even hate, Obama.

I wonder, however, are your reasons going to be important ones, and if so, won't they also apply to the vast majority of Republicans? After all, Obama is more of a Republican than a Democrat in policy. He's more like Bush than he's like Ted Kennedy by far. Hell, he's more like Bush than he's like Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Hell, he's more like Bush than that guy on SNL who impersonates him.

170 nope 2012 Mar 18, 9:03am

thomas.wong1986 says

He may be a decent person and I do not hate President Obama

He's not a decent person. Decent people don't torture and murder. And having a list of U.S. citizens to assassinate without trial is murder, plain and simple. The only reason to deny a person a trial is that the state has no case against him.

I'm quite certain that a "decent person" by that standard would never be president.

Even a well intentioned president (or, really, the leader of any country) is going to have to do some pretty vile things. People who always do the right thing rarely make effective leaders.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 18, 9:14am

People who always do the right thing rarely make effective leaders.

There's a big difference between "always doing the morally right thing even when it's dangerous" versus "fuck all human rights, I'll kill anyone who looks funny to me". It's a false dichotomy to say either you have to abandon human rights, habeas corpus, and rule of law or you have to let the terrorists will win.

Today is the safest time in all of human existence. You are less likely to be murdered than at any other time in the past 200,000 years. But if you are murdered, it's far more likely to be your government doing the evil deed than a terrorist.

I'm quite certain that a "decent person" by that standard would never be president.

As far as I know, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower all were presidents without suspending habeas corpus, without torturing, without having lists of U.S. citizens to assassinate. And the cold war was every bit as trying as the war on terror.

We cannot win the war on terror by making our government the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

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freak80 2012 Mar 18, 9:22am

Even a well intentioned president (or, really, the leader of any country) is going to have to do some pretty vile things. People who always do the right thing rarely make effective leaders.

Sad. But true.

173 nope 2012 Mar 18, 1:29pm

As far as I know, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower all were presidents without suspending habeas corpus, without torturing, without having lists of U.S. citizens to assassinate. And the cold war was every bit as trying as the war on terror.

So your definition of "decent person" seems to be "only kills people and does other horrible things to people who aren't american citizens*"

I wouldn't doubt for even a second that any one of those men (well, maybe not carter, he's kind of a pussy) would have ordered the killing or detention of american citizens had they been viewed as a threat the way that the government currently views organized terrorism.

* And even that also happened. Kent State anyone?

We cannot win the war on terror by making our government the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

We can not "win" the war on terror, period.

We should also not be bringing hyperbole here. What government actions are being done for the sole purpose of frightening people into meeting some demand or changing their way of life?

Governments do appalling things all the time, which is why they must be held accountable, but to act like anything that has happened over the last decade is really new is laughable. From the treatment of native americans, to the civil war, to blacks, to unions, to student protestors, to war protestors, there's plenty of history of our own government doing shitty things.

I firmly believe that any president in office would be doing the same, or worse, than anything that Obama has done. Everyone who has run for the office in the last 10 years has promised to do exactly that.

The only thing that's going to get the government to stop doing these horrible things is for the citizens to stand up and say that it's wrong. When a strong majority of people believe that it's OK to shoot anyone that is identified as a possible terrorist threat, you should be happy that we're at least still respecting the constitution when on american soil.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 18, 1:58pm

So your definition of "decent person" seems to be "only kills people and does other horrible things to people who aren't american citizens*"

You pulled that out of your ass, not out of my philosophy. Try again.

My only point is that none of the prior administrations had gone to the extreme level of evil that the current and past one did. Therefore, you are incorrect in concluding that this level of evil is necessary to combat terrorism or ensure national security. Your statement is empirically false.

Any conclusion beyond that is your assertion, not mine.

I wouldn't doubt for even a second that any one of those men (well, maybe not carter, he's kind of a pussy) would have ordered the killing or detention of american citizens had they been viewed as a threat the way that the government currently views organized terrorism.

Kennedy and Eisenhower certainly would not. And as for Carter, not killing innocents hardly makes one a pussy.

We can not "win" the war on terror, period.

Then the Constitution shouldn't be suspended during this period of indefinite war.

Governments do appalling things all the time, which is why they must be held accountable, but to act like anything that has happened over the last decade is really new is laughable.

Gitmo, the suspension of Habeas Corpus, government stating that assassination of U.S. citizens is legal are all new in American history. So yes, our government has become materially worse in the past 12 years.

I firmly believe that any president in office would be doing the same, or worse, than anything that Obama has done.

And there you are wrong. There are no fewer than 1 million Americans who would have done a better and more ethical job than Obama, and that's an extremely conservative estimate.

Everyone who has run for the office in the last 10 years has promised to do exactly that.

Except Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Ralph Nadar. And if people voted for these two instead of all the assholes, there would be more people like them in office. Electing people like Elizabeth Warren and William Black would help a lot too.