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I clearly said your position shows one of two things. You are either not telling the truth, or you do not understand. If you are being honest, then you do not understand.

I know the details of the HUD program.

So far, you haven't added much to your position. Good luck with that.

propmgrjay says

am honest, and that's not at all how it works. You rent your properties to people who apply to rent them. You market your properties, people see your marketing and contact you to apply to rent. You have no control over who wants to rent there and who doesn't, and if you get caught discriminating based on source of income, then you're in big big trouble.

You're talking about something as if you know all about it, but you really don't know the details of what you're talking about.

dont worry about it. this is just small time jerk trying to stir up some poop. nevermind if his paddles full of holes.

Bap33 says

ur hate for the church

I don't "hate" the church - and by the way, to which church are you referring? There are many, and all of them believe that they are the one, the only, the true believers. Just curious, in your opinion which one is right?

Based on your posts, it's one that believes homosexuality is an abomination, women should have no control over their bodies yet shouldn't be allowed to collect welfare if the one-night stand they had won't step up to his responsibility, has few immigrants and votes conservative.

Boring!

I disagree with any position implying that one is intolerant/bigot/Glenn Beck fan merely for one's viewpoint on S8.

Please recognize that some people ended up on the LL side of S8. That was the hand that got dealt.

Please understand that the same people as above could have ended up on S8, even as we yet still qualify.

It's a cold equation, just as it was over 20 years ago, and none of us could help it.

The link is here:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/oZWXGg4otlg

@ellie,
right on! lol
Merry Christmas

033 says

disagree with any position implying that one is intolerant/bigot/Glenn Beck fan merely for one's viewpoint on S8.

The issue isn't S8, the issue is the belief system that leads to one's attitude toward those who are on S8.

Merry Christsmas to ya'll.

no no, not in my view. Seriously, when we talk JUST about S8, I dislike the system that takes taxpayer funds and places them in the hands of landlords that have SFH's. My top 3 reasons, not in order:
1) That screws up the "market" prices for working people that are competeing for affordable rentals in neighborhoods
2) That introduces lower class attitude/activities into neighborhoods that have rentals that are high/rare enough to be "nice" neghborhoods, where those attitiudes/activities are not normal nor welcomed, resulting in more crappy neighborhoods.
3) Taxpayers pay for/off a LL's assett/gamble/investment, and realize no gain from it. (true, all welfare indirectly benefits a LL that rents to welfare people, but S8 is more direct)

Again, let me say very plain, I have no issue putting people in free, safe, warm, dry, shelter for as long as they will follow all rules and laws that are part of accessing the free shelter, and for as long as they desire to live in the conditions that result from their presence. I do not agree with any type of Gov guage to "allow" access to the free shelter. All humans who desire to use the free shelter, that are not disallowed by a function of law (perverts or criminals, for example), should have the same access as anyone else. No income max or limit or minimum. No Gov qualifications. Free to any should be free to all. And, I will never complain about having free shelter like that. Section 8, or any other suplimented housing, that puts people in privately owned homes, paid by public funds, is a bad idea.

Bap33 says

no no, not in my view. Seriously, when we talk JUST about S8, I dislike the system that takes taxpayer funds and places them in the hands of landlords that have SFH's. My top 3 reasons, not in order:

dear weasle: you took taxpayer dollars to buy a house as I see. you a welfare queen to. it is always the welfare queens who get a little upset at the ones who get more from there schemes than what the they did.

Merry Christmas weasle.

Jody,
I don't know what Bap's situation is, but mine is that I took not a dime of taxpayer dollars for my house, and that, frankly, one should not be extracting taxpayer dollars be it through S8 homeownership program or FHA or first time or whatever.

JodyChunder says

Merry Christmas weasle.

weasle is actually spelled weasel. And IMHO, Bap has a narrow view of the world - I've made no secret of my opinion of that - but I don't think calling him names, even misspelled ones, is productive.

Bap33 says

I do not agree with any type of Gov guage to "allow" access to the free shelter. All humans who desire to use the free shelter, that are not disallowed by a function of law (perverts or criminals, for example), should have the same access as anyone else.

I totally agree with that.

Bap,
Isn't this the way homeless shelters work now?
Such shelters keep people for weeks. Months at best.
You can see how a mom and a few kids would want some stability approaching at least a year. Where would these people go after leaving the shelter?

With such a scarce resource as S8, it does seem fair that vouchers go preferentially to a family who are all citizens vs. a mom who isn't a citizen and has kids who are. Mom should consider going home with her children.

With S8 so scarce a resource, it remains an indefinite guarantee for the small numbers of those fortunate enough to receive vouchers. Staying on S8 for 10 years or more is not uncommon. Such long stays don't seem fair to the 90 percent or more who are crowded out of even getting in line. A strict time limit of 3 years for all but gravely disabled might be painful for those who might have to live in more crowded conditions and lower standards after a time, but such a time limit does seem fairer to all.

033 says

dy,
I don't know what Bap's situation is, but mine is that I took not a dime of taxpayer dollars for my house, and that, frankly, one should not be extracting taxpayer dollars be it through S8 homeownership program or FHA or first time or whatever.

Section 8 is for people who can not do for them selves. HUD loans are tax payer welfare way before SECTION 8. they are a hedge for dudes what either can not save or do not want to use there own $$$

elliemae says

weasle is actually spelled weasel. And IMHO, Bap has a narrow view of the world - I've made no secret of my opinion of that - but I don't think calling him names, even misspelled ones, is productive.

well you worry about being productive and ill call a spade a spade or a spaid or a spayed.

If folks need S8 to make do, the last thing they need is S8 homeownership. A mortgage plus expenses is hell for the government to promote to those least able to fix the roof, the plumbing, the heat, the tree. It goes on and on, all the time, as you know.
Five years into the foreclosure mess, this program seems exceptionally unwise, cruel even:
http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/public_indian_housing/programs/hcv/homeownership