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richwicks
2023 Jul 1, 2:56pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 1, 2:56pm
Trollhole says
Apparently "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow". In any case, I'll watch it to find it.
The idea of Star Trek was a POST scarcity society. The original series was conceived around the idea that all problems of humanity had been solved, and all that humanity was doing was exploring the universe to learn more.
IF we could make something like replicators, it's entirely possible - HOWEVER, the show also assumed the eradication of sociopaths. Criminality was treated as a mental illness. Nobody needed to steal anything or commit any crime, because everybody could have anything they wanted, and humanity was reduced to only intellectual pursuit. Everybody was given equal opportunity, and the people aboard a starship were the brightest and best of humanity. A single starship was able to destroy a planet. Basically, the men that went out were essentially gods even compared to us.
That's why there were such strict regulations on sanity and checking sanity. Ship's doctor could remove the captain.
There was still a capitalist system, but people who worked, were incredibly wealthy. Captain Kirk didn't work. I suppose the only competition that existed was over space.
It's not a communist system, it's a system that can't exist and probably never can exist. It assumed we eliminated criminality in our species and although criminals SOMETIMES showed up, it was rare, and a mental ailment. The whole idea was a utopia of a better future.
In almost every case, any conflict was resolved though co-operation and understanding, but than the Klingons (the USSR) became the enemy du-jour. Devil in the Dark was about a monster lifeform which wasn't actually a monster, but was just protecting it's children from unknowing miners, who didn't realize they were in conflict, and the resolution was cooperation. It was very common theme through the series that diplomacy solved the problem, not violence or force.
richwicks says
I doubt this was said in the show, but I have some time to waste. Tell me, and I'll find out.
It was said. A poke at Gene Roddenberry's socialist bullshit he pushed in TOS and Next Generation. Only in DS9 did they start to make some (light) criticism with it.
I didn't believe it when I heard it first. Had to rewind and play it back 4 or so times. It is also brought up in online reviews already.
Latest episode. Time travel one.
Apparently "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow". In any case, I'll watch it to find it.
The idea of Star Trek was a POST scarcity society. The original series was conceived around the idea that all problems of humanity had been solved, and all that humanity was doing was exploring the universe to learn more.
IF we could make something like replicators, it's entirely possible - HOWEVER, the show also assumed the eradication of sociopaths. Criminality was treated as a mental illness. Nobody needed to steal anything or commit any crime, because everybody could have anything they wanted, and humanity was reduced to only intellectual pursuit. Everybody was given equal opportunity, and the people aboard a starship were the brightest and best of humanity. A single starship was able to destroy a planet. Basically, the men that went out were essentially gods even compared to us.
That's why there were such strict regulations on sanity and checking sanity. Ship's doctor could remove the captain.
There was still a capitalist system, but people who worked, were incredibly wealthy. Captain Kirk didn't work. I suppose the only competition that existed was over space.
It's not a communist system, it's a system that can't exist and probably never can exist. It assumed we eliminated criminality in our species and although criminals SOMETIMES showed up, it was rare, and a mental ailment. The whole idea was a utopia of a better future.
In almost every case, any conflict was resolved though co-operation and understanding, but than the Klingons (the USSR) became the enemy du-jour. Devil in the Dark was about a monster lifeform which wasn't actually a monster, but was just protecting it's children from unknowing miners, who didn't realize they were in conflict, and the resolution was cooperation. It was very common theme through the series that diplomacy solved the problem, not violence or force.
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richwicks
2023 Jul 1, 3:57pm
richwicks
2023 Jul 1, 3:57pm
Trollhole says
OK, confirmed, but she's depicted as a nut:
Also, got 30 minutes into it, television is utterly unwatchable to me. Social propaganda is oozing out of it. Push for a one world government is, and even project Blue Beam.
richwicks says
I doubt this was said in the show, but I have some time to waste. Tell me, and I'll find out.
It was said. A poke at Gene Roddenberry's socialist bullshit he pushed in TOS and Next Generation. Only in DS9 did they start to make some (light) criticism with it.
I didn't believe it when I heard it first. Had to rewind and play it back 4 or so times. It is also brought up in online reviews already.
Latest episode. Time travel one.
OK, confirmed, but she's depicted as a nut:
Also, got 30 minutes into it, television is utterly unwatchable to me. Social propaganda is oozing out of it. Push for a one world government is, and even project Blue Beam.
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Patrick
2023 Jul 2, 10:26am
Patrick
2023 Jul 2, 10:26am
Lol, that's up there with:
"I don't drink anymore. I don't drink any less, either."
"I don't drink anymore. I don't drink any less, either."
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jul 3, 8:37am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jul 3, 8:37am
Does stuff like this even happen anymore? Seems like the neighborhood vibe, and the generation that played outside is long gone...
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