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We got enough to hang this creep on, why does race have to play into it?

Because Zimmerman stalked the boy because he was black. If here were a blonde, blue eye white girl, Zimmerman wouldn't have attacked him.

Now, I'm not for prosecuting Zimmerman for "violating federal civil rights statutes". I'm for prosecuting him for murder. But that murder was the result of racist xenophobia, and you cannot honestly discuss this case without dealing with that.

Do black teenager boys need to carry AK-47s to protect themselves from irrational neighborhood watch captains?

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 22, 3:57am

david1 says

A manslaughter conviction at least is in this guy's future.

That would be a tragedy of justice for a premeditated murder. If one of the boy's family decided to get revenge and kill Zimmerman or one of his children, should the revenge taker get only manslaughter?

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TPB 2012 Mar 22, 4:59am

How come a Black guy can pump a white guy with 6 bullets during a robbery, and shout "Die Cracker DIE!" after each squeeze of the trigger.
And it wont go any further than a senseless random robbery and violence rap. There wont be any Race parade, or Al Sharpton trying to get to the bottom of it. A lone ass hole running around the neighborhood randomly shooting people, is just that. To begin with, the guy is already suffering from social and mental problems(Not that those traits should be grounds for excuse) to begin with. This guy is touched in the head no differently than Leroy on Cell block 8, that shot 4 white people while robbing a 7-11. Leroy didn't catch no race or hate crime rap. What a crock of shit that is anyway. Unless the pain one afflicts on another human being was an accident, then they are all Hate crimes. But I guess Gomer Gomez being half white, then he gets a hate rap. Which is why the white liberals are going to fuck this case up. Because Gomer Gomez is half a "minority" too.
Maybe we should lock all of the Zimmermans up on his fathers side.

This Zimmerman character had no business with a gun, much less out prowling the neighborhood looking for wrong doers.
These self proclaimed Condo Commandos are a detriment to society and should be stopped and made to leave the Law enforcement up to the professionals. By making this a race issue, then we are just deferring the issue, until Leo Weinstein the 60 year old high strung Citizens patrol goes off the handle and shoots someone, because his condo community watch gig went to his tightly wrapped head.
Or Jean Baptise the Haitian wannabe security guard shoots someone for telling his to fuck off, when Jean questioned their right to be on the property.

The point is people like the two I just mentioned happen every day in this country. And we again and again allow these crazy psychopaths that were rejected from law enforcement to become self appointed community cops.

The Black and White Bullshit part of this story, does what exactly?

Is it OK if both parties had been white or black or even two Jews going at it?

I don't get it, just more race bullshit.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to tie a rope to Gomer Gomez's ankle and the other end of the rope to a catapult and fling him into a burning brick wall. But for different reasons than everyone else.

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TPB 2012 Mar 22, 5:07am

Dan8267 says

Because Zimmerman stalked the boy because he was black. If here were a blonde, blue eye white girl, Zimmerman wouldn't have attacked him.

No Gomer Gomez followed the kid because Gomer is a dangerous individual.

But since we're going there. Here allow me...

If Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a cracker and said "Yo Mama!". Would Zimmerman had been right to shoot him then? Or is it only illegal for White people to be a racist?

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TPB 2012 Mar 22, 5:15am

If Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a cracker and said "Yo Mama!". Would Zimmerman had been right to shoot him then? Or is it only illegal for White people to be a racist?

I'll ask this again because it's really so fucking important. And it would be really interesting to see what constitutes racial and hate crimes, with this lot.

If Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a cracker and said "Yo Mama!". Would Zimmerman had been right to shoot him then? Or is it only illegal for White people to be a racist?

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 22, 7:04am

How come a Black guy can pump a white guy with 6 bullets during a robbery, and shout "Die Cracker DIE!" after each squeeze of the trigger.

That's not legal either. What color is the sky in your world?

If a black guy shot and killed a white guy with 6 bullets, we'd be calling for his arrest for murder as well. Although in your example, I think it's second degree. In the case of Zimmerman, it's first degree. P remediation and stalking the prey counts.

The Black and White Bullshit part of this story, does what exactly?

It illustrates motive and a recurring problem that causes violence.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to tie a rope to Gomer Gomez's ankle and the other end of the rope to a catapult and fling him into a burning brick wall. But for different reasons than everyone else.

No, we all want him punished for the same reasons: first degree murder. Were we differ is how we can change society so that it doesn't produce more Zimmermans.

Dan8267 says

Because Zimmerman stalked the boy because he was black. If here were a blonde, blue eye white girl, Zimmerman wouldn't have attacked him.

No Gomer Gomez followed the kid because Gomer is a dangerous individual.

Who is Gomer Gomez and what does he have to do with this story?

If Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a cracker and said "Yo Mama!". Would Zimmerman had been right to shoot him then? Or is it only illegal for White people to be a racist?

No. You don't get to shoot people because they insult you. And it's not illegal to be racist. It's illegal to commit acts of violence. However, discussing a violent crime that is motivated by racism without acknowledging that motive is disingenuous.

TPB says

If Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a cracker and said "Yo Mama!". Would Zimmerman had been right to shoot him then? Or is it only illegal for White people to be a racist?

I'll ask this again because it's really so fucking important.

And I'll answer it again: No!

And it would be really interesting to see what constitutes racial and hate crimes, with this lot.

I'm not in favor of "hate crime" legislation myself. The justification for "hate crime" laws is that the criminal is terrorizing an entire community rather than an individual. But we have anti-terrorism and anti-conspiracy laws for that.

I'm not saying that Zimmerman should be punished more because his crime was racially motive. But I am acknowledging that his crime was racially motive because it's important to acknowledge evil and how it works in order to defeat it.

Racism is a form of xenophobia, which causes humans to become irrationally violent. Stranger danger is another form of xenophobia and it has the same effect. Acknowledging that fear of Muslims and black men is blow way out of proportion is part of the process of stopping irrational humans from making stupid decisions that result in the deaths of innocents.

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leo707 2012 Mar 22, 7:43am

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1406104

r Context CONTEXT People!

How come a Black guy can pump a white guy with 6 bullets during a robbery, and shout "Die Cracker DIE!" after each squeeze of the trigger.
And it wont go any further than a senseless random robbery and violence rap.

It would not be a hate crime, because black on white violence happens every single day in every town in America, and not once, has it EVER been called a race or a hate crime.

Happy now? read carefully the ACLU responses.

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TPB 2012 Mar 22, 7:50am

That's because all ass beatings are done out of Hate I can promise you that. You can't no more up the charge for "hate" any more than you can down play the degree of the ass beating its self.

Yeah I beat his ass, but just a little bit, it's not like I hated him or anything. Yeah I shot him, but I had the up most respect for that bastard before I blew him a way.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2012 Mar 22, 9:00am

One of the red herrings in this case is the Stand Your Ground law:

" A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. "

SYG does not allow for the pursuit of anybody, at any time, for any reason.

And no State Law stopped the police from taking in Zimmerman for questioning, or arresting him outright. Police are not legally required to determine the facts right then and there, immediately at the scene of the crime - even in Florida.

It seems, contrary to Sanford PD claims, they went out of their way to get Zimmerman out of trouble.

Like I said earlier, let's not be surprised to find that Zimmerman has friends or family in the PD.

Reason: He was charged with resisting arrest and assaulting an officer, and the charges were dropped, in 2005. When you're a Mundane, charges like that don't get dropped.

There is no reason why Zimmerman shouldn't have been arrested days ago.

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TPB 2012 Mar 22, 12:30pm

That's because all ass beatings are done out of Hate I can promise you that. You can't no more up the charge for "hate" any more than you can down play the degree of the ass beating its self.

Yeah I beat his ass, but just a little bit, it's not like I hated him or anything. Yeah I shot him, but I had the up most respect for that bastard before I blew him a way.

William E Baughb

Dislike it all you want! I want to see one of you chicken shit bastards dispute what I said.

HEY! That's what I say!

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TPB 2012 Mar 22, 12:34pm

There is no reason why Zimmerman shouldn't have been arrested days ago.

And just to be sure, I full heatedly agree.
But not for the same reasons you bleeding heart liberals think.
He is a cold blooded killer, no less or more a racist than any other black thug on death row. I don't see them on racial raps.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 22, 1:12pm

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017819414_zimmerman23.html

Reason: He was charged with resisting arrest and assaulting an officer, and the charges were dropped, in 2005. When you're a Mundane, charges like that don't get dropped.

True. Our court system is so fucked up that people are charged only with resisting arrest and convicted on that. Is resisting illegal arrest illegal? If so, that's screwed up. If not, then how can a court logically convict someone of resisting arrest but not another charge? What validates the arrest?

Furthermore, resisting arrest like disorderly conduct is so vague and meaningless that it should be considered Unconstitutional.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 22, 1:13pm

Fucktards says

I want to see one of you chicken shit bastards dispute what I said.

Make a coherent premise and I might. However, I also reserve the right to agree with it however improbable that is.

19 thomas.wong1986 2012 Mar 22, 3:42pm

Comments ?

Florida shooter George Zimmerman not easily pigeonholed

A closer look at George Zimmerman, son of a Peruvian mother and a white father who is at the center of the nation's latest controversy over race

The shooter was once a Catholic altar boy, with a surname that could have been Jewish.

His father is white, neighbors say. His mother is Latina. And his family is eager to point out that some of his relatives are black.

There may be no box to check for George Zimmerman, 28, no tidy way to categorize, define and sort the man whose pull of a trigger on a Sanford, Fla., street is forcing America to once again confront its fraught relationship with race and identity. The slain victim, we know, was named Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager in a hoodie.

The images of Zimmerman - not just his face, but the words used to describe him - can confound and confuse.

Why are they calling him white, wondered Paul Ebert, the Prince William County commonwealth's attorney who knew Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, from her days as an interpreter at the county courthouse. Zimmerman's mother, Ebert knew, was Peruvian, and he thought of her as Hispanic

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Travis Bickle 2012 Mar 22, 10:08pm

Honest Abe says

True conservatives, on the other hand, judge everyone by the....

amount of cash in their bank account....

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finehoe 2012 Mar 23, 1:13am

Zimmerman self-identifies as Latino.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 23, 5:26am

thomas.wong1986 says

A closer look at George Zimmerman, son of a Peruvian mother and a white father who is at the center of the nation's latest controversy over race

finehoe says

Zimmerman self-identifies as Latino.

So what. All people can be racist. All people can be xenophobic.

You don't get a pass for first degree murder because of your ethnic background, whatever the hell it is.

The racist element of this case, as well as the following of the victim after being told not to, clearly demonstrates intent and forethought.

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Vicente 2012 Mar 23, 6:14am

finehoe says

Zimmerman self-identifies as Latino.

I have no idea if he's a racist or not. However there's never been a shortage in this country of minorities discriminating against each other. The origin of "pot calling the kettle black" is poking at the history of lighter-skinned African Americans discriminating against darker-skinned ones. So being Latino doesn't merit an automatic pass.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2012 Mar 26, 4:38am

I can't believe Zimmerman hasn't been arrested yet.

The SYG issue is a red herring - that's for the courts to decide. There is plenty of evidence to suggest (911 call, Tray's cell phone convo, some witnesses) that Zimmerman's account is rubbish. But it doesn't matter - SYG is a legal defense to be used at court, it is not given to the police to decide if SYG applies or not.

I can only repeat my guess that Zimmerman has "connections". I also suspect that several officers didn't exactly follow procedure, to put it nicely, and there's something of a reticence to let this go to court because it would make the PD look real bad.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 26, 8:34am

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/cracker-tshirt-759832

I can only repeat my guess that Zimmerman has "connections". I also suspect that several officers didn't exactly follow procedure, to put it nicely, and there's something of a reticence to let this go to court because it would make the PD look real bad.

This seems to be the way our society always works.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 26, 2:19pm

And this is how you should not respond to the situation.

27 thomas.wong1986 2012 Mar 26, 2:54pm

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html

I can't believe Zimmerman hasn't been arrested yet.
The SYG issue is a red herring - that's for the courts to decide. There is plenty of evidence to suggest (911 call, Tray's cell phone convo, some witnesses) that Zimmerman's account is rubbish. But it doesn't matter - SYG is a legal defense to be used at court, it is not given to the police to decide if SYG applies or not.
I can only repeat my guess that Zimmerman has "connections". I also suspect that several officers didn't exactly follow procedure, to put it nicely, and there's something of a reticence to let this go to court because it would make the PD look real bad.

Seems you 'prejudged' without the relavent facts. And guessing about some 'connections' are not facts. And you already have issued a conclusion regarding the police department without even being part of the investigation. You have only opinions, as bad they are.

28 thomas.wong1986 2012 Mar 26, 2:58pm

Vicente says

I have no idea if he's a racist or not. However there's never been a shortage in this country of minorities discriminating against each other. The origin of "pot calling the kettle black" is poking at the history of lighter-skinned African Americans discriminating against darker-skinned ones. So being Latino doesn't merit an automatic pass.

And Jessie Jackson and Rev Sharpton would say what about that ?

They arent are they ? there is no mileage in such events for them ...

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Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq 2012 Mar 27, 12:35am

I go on vacation for Spring Break in Cancun to party with drunk high school girls and look what happens! Has the world gone mad?

Fact: It's called a "burglary tool" when in the hands of Negro and Irish. For everyone else, it's just a plain screwdriver.

Fact: Negroes in hoodies are "suspicious". White guys in hoods are Knights and Southern Gentlemen.

Fact: It's medical marijuana when I smoke it, and I'm called a patient. When smoked by Negroes or Irish, it's weed and they are called rapist dope fiends.

Fact: Writing "WTF" on someone's locker is grounds for expulsion because not writing out "what the fuck" is just pure laziness.

Fact: A 140 pound Negro can best any 250 pound man in a fist fight. Floyd Mayweather Jr. would totally kick Wladimir Klitschko's ass.

Fact: If they were doing their job, the police would have deported Zimmerman already.

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zzyzzx 2012 Mar 27, 2:56am

As Dan Linehan, a blogger at Wagist.com, pointed out, correspondence with Martin on Twitter before he died alludes to an incident with a bus driver. "Yu ain't tell me you swung on a bus driver," Martin's cousin wrote to him on Feb. 21.

The same week, Martin was suspended for 10 days from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade. "He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that," his father said. "It wasn't a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property]," declining to offer more details.

But a family spokesman told the Associated Press on Monday that Martin was suspended because marijuana residue was found in his book bag.

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zzyzzx 2012 Mar 27, 2:58am

Dan8267 says

And this is how you should not respond to the situation.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/cracker-tshirt-759832

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Bap33 2012 Mar 27, 3:16am

#1) If you take the time to look up the street maps of the locations involved you will see that this 17 year old was not doing what is claimed ... or, he has a bad sense of direction.
#2) If you check the time of the events against the details givin by the gangster aged kid's family, there is a slight issue.
#3) Zimmerman has every right in the world to follow anyone, at any time, that he sees peeping through windows or fences after hours on the public side walk, and he has the DUTY to protect his neighbors from being vicitmized.
#4) The eyewhitness testified that Zimmerman was trying to hold the 17 year old that mathes the description of the bad guys in the area when the 17 year old (an age that sees lots of negro youth killing lots of non-negro people) struck Zimmerman and Zimmerman began calling for help. Yes, that's right, Zimmermen was screaming for help while being attacked.
#5) I have shared dozens of example of negro males performing extreemly gruesum actions on non-negro people ... and they openly expressed that they targeted the non-negros ... and nobody had much to say except. "there are bad people in every race." Yea, maybe, but statistics show a trend.
#6) If you have never faced a punk (any color) prowling around in the dark, in your neighborhood, then you should step back.
#7) Zimmerman avoided being a victim. He was where he belonged, the prowler was not. Deal with it.
#8) Why would the same people the opposed attacking muslams after 9/11 think it is ok to attack Zimmerman and other non-negros after this?
#9) THe Black Panthers put out a bounty on Zimmerman. Why no action from law enforcement, Holder, or Lord Barry?
#10) Every other murderer in prison looks like they could be related to Lord Barry, since he's keeping track now.

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Bap33 2012 Mar 27, 3:21am

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

Yeah, Fox totally deleted all 3000+ mostly racist comments. All the other articles on Fox News have a comment button to the left of the Facebook icon. It's missing from the "Department of Justice..." article referenced above.

Homo Economicus. A Legendary Creature, like Bigfoot, claimed to exist by Pseudoscientists.

the comments could, and do, get placed by liberals who want sooo much for Fox News to be slandered. The same group of geeky freaks, sitting in their mom's basement, switching between porn and Fox News blog get off on pretending to be Fox Viewers. THere is no merit in some annon postings by a bunch of liberals-pretending-to-be-viewers. Next thing you know someone will swear they heard a racial slur. Oooooooh ... a racial slur ..... like, tell me, what is the favorite way for 17 year old males negros to address each other? And their name for females? Yea ... I see where names would damage these fine fellows.

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zzyzzx 2012 Mar 27, 5:35am

The individual at the center of the controversial Trayvon Martin shooting is a registered Democrat.

George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents.

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zzyzzx 2012 Mar 27, 5:36am

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area â€œhiding and being suspicious.â€ Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with â€œW.T.Fâ€ â€” an acronym for â€œwhat the f---.â€ The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.

Instead the officer reported he found womenâ€™s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a â€œburglary tool,â€ according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 27, 6:54am

#3) Zimmerman has every right in the world to follow anyone, at any time, that he sees peeping through windows or fences after hours on the public side walk, and he has the DUTY to protect his neighbors from being vicitmized.

We're not arguing that Zimmerman was doing something illegal by following his victim. We're arguing that Zimmerman did something illegal when he murdered his victim and that the fact that Zimmerman followed the guy after being told not too by the 911 dispatcher proves beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was not reacting to an emergency by was making premeditated choices. Thus his stand your ground defense is utter bullshit.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 27, 6:57am

#4) The eyewhitness testified that Zimmerman was trying to hold the 17 year old that mathes the description of the bad guys in the area when the 17 year old (an age that sees lots of negro youth killing lots of non-negro people) struck Zimmerman and Zimmerman began calling for help. Yes, that's right, Zimmermen was screaming for help while being attacked.

This is the very definition of prejudice. You are "pre-judging" a person because of what he looks like. He's black and there are black burglars, therefore all blacks are burglars. This is exactly what needs to stop to prevent more innocent people from being killed.

But yes, if Martin had been a white kid or a light-color Hispanic, he would not have been targeted by Zimmerman. This is exactly why Zimmerman's motives are not pure.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 27, 7:01am

#5) I have shared dozens of example of negro males performing extreemly gruesum actions on non-negro people ... and they openly expressed that they targeted the non-negros ... and nobody had much to say except. "there are bad people in every race." Yea, maybe, but statistics show a trend.

Dude, first don't use the term "negro" unless you are pointing out the prejudices of the past by stating the beliefs of people in the past using their own language. In that situation, you are illustrating just how different and wrong the past was. In all other situations, it's inappropriate.

Second, for all values of N not imply that P is a criminal. To reach that conclusion, guilty until proven innocent, is the very essence of prejudice. And it's really bad when N

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 27, 7:06am

#6) If you have never faced a punk (any color) prowling around in the dark, in your neighborhood, then you should step back.

What the hell makes Martin a punk? He was walking home from a convenience store where he paid for candy and ice tea. He didn't rob the convenience store. Don't blame the victim.

Although this crime does make a case for everyone carrying guns. Had Martin had a gun, he might be the one claiming stand-your-ground now, and rightfully so.

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Dan8267 2012 Mar 27, 7:09am