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Florida shooter George Zimmerman not easily pigeonholed

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017819414_zimmerman23.html

A closer look at George Zimmerman, son of a Peruvian mother and a white father who is at the center of the nation's latest controversy over race

The shooter was once a Catholic altar boy, with a surname that could have been Jewish.

His father is white, neighbors say. His mother is Latina. And his family is eager to point out that some of his relatives are black.

There may be no box to check for George Zimmerman, 28, no tidy way to categorize, define and sort the man whose pull of a trigger on a Sanford, Fla., street is forcing America to once again confront its fraught relationship with race and identity. The slain victim, we know, was named Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager in a hoodie.

The images of Zimmerman - not just his face, but the words used to describe him - can confound and confuse.

Why are they calling him white, wondered Paul Ebert, the Prince William County commonwealth's attorney who knew Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, from her days as an interpreter at the county courthouse. Zimmerman's mother, Ebert knew, was Peruvian, and he thought of her as Hispanic

Honest Abe says

True conservatives, on the other hand, judge everyone by the....

amount of cash in their bank account....

Zimmerman self-identifies as Latino.

thomas.wong1986 says

A closer look at George Zimmerman, son of a Peruvian mother and a white father who is at the center of the nation's latest controversy over race

finehoe says

Zimmerman self-identifies as Latino.

So what. All people can be racist. All people can be xenophobic.

You don't get a pass for first degree murder because of your ethnic background, whatever the hell it is.

The racist element of this case, as well as the following of the victim after being told not to, clearly demonstrates intent and forethought.

finehoe says

Zimmerman self-identifies as Latino.

I have no idea if he's a racist or not. However there's never been a shortage in this country of minorities discriminating against each other. The origin of "pot calling the kettle black" is poking at the history of lighter-skinned African Americans discriminating against darker-skinned ones. So being Latino doesn't merit an automatic pass.

I can't believe Zimmerman hasn't been arrested yet.

The SYG issue is a red herring - that's for the courts to decide. There is plenty of evidence to suggest (911 call, Tray's cell phone convo, some witnesses) that Zimmerman's account is rubbish. But it doesn't matter - SYG is a legal defense to be used at court, it is not given to the police to decide if SYG applies or not.

I can only repeat my guess that Zimmerman has "connections". I also suspect that several officers didn't exactly follow procedure, to put it nicely, and there's something of a reticence to let this go to court because it would make the PD look real bad.

thunderlips11 says

I can only repeat my guess that Zimmerman has "connections". I also suspect that several officers didn't exactly follow procedure, to put it nicely, and there's something of a reticence to let this go to court because it would make the PD look real bad.

This seems to be the way our society always works.

And this is how you should not respond to the situation.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/cracker-tshirt-759832

thunderlips11 says

I can't believe Zimmerman hasn't been arrested yet.
The SYG issue is a red herring - that's for the courts to decide. There is plenty of evidence to suggest (911 call, Tray's cell phone convo, some witnesses) that Zimmerman's account is rubbish. But it doesn't matter - SYG is a legal defense to be used at court, it is not given to the police to decide if SYG applies or not.
I can only repeat my guess that Zimmerman has "connections". I also suspect that several officers didn't exactly follow procedure, to put it nicely, and there's something of a reticence to let this go to court because it would make the PD look real bad.

Seems you 'prejudged' without the relavent facts. And guessing about some 'connections' are not facts. And you already have issued a conclusion regarding the police department without even being part of the investigation. You have only opinions, as bad they are.

Vicente says

I have no idea if he's a racist or not. However there's never been a shortage in this country of minorities discriminating against each other. The origin of "pot calling the kettle black" is poking at the history of lighter-skinned African Americans discriminating against darker-skinned ones. So being Latino doesn't merit an automatic pass.

And Jessie Jackson and Rev Sharpton would say what about that ?

They arent are they ? there is no mileage in such events for them ...

I go on vacation for Spring Break in Cancun to party with drunk high school girls and look what happens! Has the world gone mad?

Fact: It's called a "burglary tool" when in the hands of Negro and Irish. For everyone else, it's just a plain screwdriver.

Fact: Negroes in hoodies are "suspicious". White guys in hoods are Knights and Southern Gentlemen.

Fact: It's medical marijuana when I smoke it, and I'm called a patient. When smoked by Negroes or Irish, it's weed and they are called rapist dope fiends.

Fact: Writing "WTF" on someone's locker is grounds for expulsion because not writing out "what the fuck" is just pure laziness.

Fact: A 140 pound Negro can best any 250 pound man in a fist fight. Floyd Mayweather Jr. would totally kick Wladimir Klitschko's ass.

Fact: If they were doing their job, the police would have deported Zimmerman already.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html

As Dan Linehan, a blogger at Wagist.com, pointed out, correspondence with Martin on Twitter before he died alludes to an incident with a bus driver. "Yu ain't tell me you swung on a bus driver," Martin's cousin wrote to him on Feb. 21.

But a family spokesman told the Associated Press on Monday that Martin was suspended because marijuana residue was found in his book bag.

Dan8267 says

And this is how you should not respond to the situation.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/cracker-tshirt-759832

#1) If you take the time to look up the street maps of the locations involved you will see that this 17 year old was not doing what is claimed ... or, he has a bad sense of direction.
#2) If you check the time of the events against the details givin by the gangster aged kid's family, there is a slight issue.
#3) Zimmerman has every right in the world to follow anyone, at any time, that he sees peeping through windows or fences after hours on the public side walk, and he has the DUTY to protect his neighbors from being vicitmized.
#4) The eyewhitness testified that Zimmerman was trying to hold the 17 year old that mathes the description of the bad guys in the area when the 17 year old (an age that sees lots of negro youth killing lots of non-negro people) struck Zimmerman and Zimmerman began calling for help. Yes, that's right, Zimmermen was screaming for help while being attacked.
#5) I have shared dozens of example of negro males performing extreemly gruesum actions on non-negro people ... and they openly expressed that they targeted the non-negros ... and nobody had much to say except. "there are bad people in every race." Yea, maybe, but statistics show a trend.
#6) If you have never faced a punk (any color) prowling around in the dark, in your neighborhood, then you should step back.
#7) Zimmerman avoided being a victim. He was where he belonged, the prowler was not. Deal with it.
#8) Why would the same people the opposed attacking muslams after 9/11 think it is ok to attack Zimmerman and other non-negros after this?
#9) THe Black Panthers put out a bounty on Zimmerman. Why no action from law enforcement, Holder, or Lord Barry?
#10) Every other murderer in prison looks like they could be related to Lord Barry, since he's keeping track now.

thunderlips11 says

Yeah, Fox totally deleted all 3000+ mostly racist comments. All the other articles on Fox News have a comment button to the left of the Facebook icon. It's missing from the "Department of Justice..." article referenced above.

Homo Economicus. A Legendary Creature, like Bigfoot, claimed to exist by Pseudoscientists.

the comments could, and do, get placed by liberals who want sooo much for Fox News to be slandered. The same group of geeky freaks, sitting in their mom's basement, switching between porn and Fox News blog get off on pretending to be Fox Viewers. THere is no merit in some annon postings by a bunch of liberals-pretending-to-be-viewers. Next thing you know someone will swear they heard a racial slur. Oooooooh ... a racial slur ..... like, tell me, what is the favorite way for 17 year old males negros to address each other? And their name for females? Yea ... I see where names would damage these fine fellows.

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

The individual at the center of the controversial Trayvon Martin shooting is a registered Democrat.

George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area “hiding and being suspicious.” Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with “W.T.F” — an acronym for “what the f---.” The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.

Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.

Bap33 says

#3) Zimmerman has every right in the world to follow anyone, at any time, that he sees peeping through windows or fences after hours on the public side walk, and he has the DUTY to protect his neighbors from being vicitmized.

We're not arguing that Zimmerman was doing something illegal by following his victim. We're arguing that Zimmerman did something illegal when he murdered his victim and that the fact that Zimmerman followed the guy after being told not too by the 911 dispatcher proves beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was not reacting to an emergency by was making premeditated choices. Thus his stand your ground defense is utter bullshit.

Bap33 says

#4) The eyewhitness testified that Zimmerman was trying to hold the 17 year old that mathes the description of the bad guys in the area when the 17 year old (an age that sees lots of negro youth killing lots of non-negro people) struck Zimmerman and Zimmerman began calling for help. Yes, that's right, Zimmermen was screaming for help while being attacked.

This is the very definition of prejudice. You are "pre-judging" a person because of what he looks like. He's black and there are black burglars, therefore all blacks are burglars. This is exactly what needs to stop to prevent more innocent people from being killed.

But yes, if Martin had been a white kid or a light-color Hispanic, he would not have been targeted by Zimmerman. This is exactly why Zimmerman's motives are not pure.

Bap33 says

#5) I have shared dozens of example of negro males performing extreemly gruesum actions on non-negro people ... and they openly expressed that they targeted the non-negros ... and nobody had much to say except. "there are bad people in every race." Yea, maybe, but statistics show a trend.

Dude, first don't use the term "negro" unless you are pointing out the prejudices of the past by stating the beliefs of people in the past using their own language. In that situation, you are illustrating just how different and wrong the past was. In all other situations, it's inappropriate.

Second, for all values of N not imply that P is a criminal. To reach that conclusion, guilty until proven innocent, is the very essence of prejudice. And it's really bad when N

Bap33 says

#6) If you have never faced a punk (any color) prowling around in the dark, in your neighborhood, then you should step back.

What the hell makes Martin a punk? He was walking home from a convenience store where he paid for candy and ice tea. He didn't rob the convenience store. Don't blame the victim.

Although this crime does make a case for everyone carrying guns. Had Martin had a gun, he might be the one claiming stand-your-ground now, and rightfully so.

Bap33 says

#8) Why would the same people the opposed attacking muslams after 9/11 think it is ok to attack Zimmerman and other non-negros after this?

Um, the so-called liberals were all for attacking the specific Muslims who were responsible for 9/11. Bid Laden and Al Qaeda. The liberals were not for attacking Muslims that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. This is where they differ from conservatives.

In 1812 the British fleet was attacking U.S. merchants ships. Because liberals were running things, the U.S. declared war on Britain, a war that became known as The War of 1812. Had conservatives been in power, America would have declared war on France.

Bap33 says

#10) Every other murderer in prison looks like they could be related to Lord Barry, since he's keeping track now.

OK, that's just plain delusional. What does Obama have to do with murders in prison? Do you blame Obama for everything because he's black? Other than his skin color, I don't see any connection between Obama and the case of Zimmerman murdering Martin. It's completely irrelevant.

Again, if your going to hate Obama, hate him for good reasons -- there are plenty of them -- not because of his skin color.

Look, everybody. Zimmerman is a racist plain and simple. Here's the proof.

The neighborhood crime watch volunteer who shot and killed Trayvon Martin last month, called 911 dozens of times in the months that led to the fatal shooting.

This afternoon six of the calls made by George Zimmerman were released by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.

In four of the recordings Zimmerman called police to report "suspicious" persons — all of whom were black — in or near the Retreat at Twin Lakes neighborhood.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/orlando-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-who-killed-trayvon-martin-2249273.html

The article goes on and on on how this isn't the first time Zimmerman has targeted blacks. It's a well-established pattern for him. The prosecution is going to have a field day on this case.

@Dan,
RE: Your last post:
no, Zimmerman targeted suspicous people and suspicious activity ... that fact that negros in that area do those things cant be Zimmerman's fault.

RE: my #10:
Lord Barry made a stupid comment about this 17 year old suspect looking "like his son" if he had one. That is from whence my comment was built. His comments were ignant, and my comments point out just how ignant they be.

Now, Sir, please check out some facts and stop fanning the flames of hate.

Unrelated: Somehow I have lived an entire life having never once been mistaken for a prowler. Not even once.

RE #8:
I never mentioned "liberals". Incase facts are needed. Carry on.

Bap33 says

Unrelated: Somehow I have lived an entire life having never once been mistaken for a prowler. Not even once.

How can you be sure, how is your situational awareness? I have suspected plenty of people that I have not confronted. In fact I have only tried to confront one prowler in recent memory.

Bap33 says

RE: Your last post:
no, Zimmerman targeted suspicous people and suspicious activity ... that fact that negros in that area do those things cant be Zimmerman's fault.

And out of all those Africans, how many were arrested for crimes? I think you're missing the big picture. A person who thinks that all blacks are "suspicious" is a racist. That's kind of the definition of racist. Also, non-racists tend not to use the word "coon" while describing blacks on a 911 call.

Bap33 says

RE: my #10:
Lord Barry made a stupid comment about this 17 year old suspect looking "like his son" if he had one. That is from whence my comment was built. His comments were ignant, and my comments point out just how ignant they be.

Um, how was that Obama comment ignorant? The kid does look like a young Obama. And the purpose of that statement was for Obama to demonstrate empathy. Now, I'm always skeptical when a politician tries to show empathy, but I don't see how you can take offense at that.

Again, there are lots of reasons to hate Obama -- I've listed them so many times on this site, I'm not going to repeat them -- but the Martin-Zimmerman case ain't one of them.

Bap33 says

Now, Sir, please check out some facts and stop fanning the flames of hate.

Um, I've been trying to put out the flames of hate here by showing that not all light-skins think that light-skins should get away with murdering dark-skins. I'm not sure how your comments ease racial tensions though.

Bap33 says

Unrelated: Somehow I have lived an entire life having never once been mistaken for a prowler. Not even once.

Same here, but then again I'm white. If you or I were black, I'm sure there are some people that would suspect we might be prowlers. If you or I were Muslims, I suspect that people would watch us more closely on planes.

http://www.SFhzFRoiM3Q

Here's the thing. You have to protect everyone's rights in order to protect your own. We either live in a society or rights or a society of privileges, and you don't want to live in a society of privileges because you're not going to be part of the ruling class.

Bap33 says

RE #8:
I never mentioned "liberals". Incase facts are needed. Carry on.

You implied it by referring to people "opposed attacking muslams after 9/11". No conservatives had problems nuking all of the Middle East. Only liberals called for restraint and focusing on the actual criminals rather than all Muslims.

And of course, liberals did not object to eliminating the terrorist cells using military force. It is a false perception of conservatives that liberals wanted Al Qaeda to get away with their crimes.

So you did mean liberals. You weren't making the case that right-leaning Republicans opposed attacking Al Qaeda.

leoj707 says

In fact I have only tried to confront one prowler in recent memory.

Damn, leoj707 is a superhero.

Don't bring skittles to a gunfight.
Don't beat up a random guy in Florida, Texas, Arizona, or Vermont, he may be packing heat.
Don't attack guys who may be annoying you by following you around.
Don't get suspended from school.
Don't wear gangster style outfits, invest in an umbrella, goretex, etc.
Of course, I have no idea exactly why Martin snapped and attacked Zimmerman. Maybe someday we'll find out. Maybe not.

clambo says

Of course, I have no idea exactly why Martin snapped and attacked Zimmerman.

We have no reason to believe Martin snapped and attacked Zimmerman, but if some guy was following you in a truck and then got out of the truck and came up to you, I think you might suspect that he's trying to attack you.

Dan8267 says

Damn, leoj707 is a superhero.

Ah, haha, Phoenix Jones I am not. I have never paroled my neighborhood.

Just someone who wanted to know why someone was looking in my windows at night.

leoj707 says

Bap33 says

Unrelated: Somehow I have lived an entire life having never once been mistaken for a prowler. Not even once.

How can you be sure, how is your situational awareness? I have suspected plenty of people that I have not confronted. In fact I have only tried to confront one prowler in recent memory.

very good point .... I can't figure a way to rephrase my point though .. but, since Dan said the same thing, I think I may be ok on this point .. wheew! lol

http://www.sJQi7yYhVVA

Phoenix Jones doesn't understand the concept of a secret identity.

"So when I walk in a neighborhood, criminals leave because they see the suit." Yes, and non-criminals also leave because they see the suit.

Dan8267 says

clambo says

Of course, I have no idea exactly why Martin snapped and attacked Zimmerman.

We have no reason to believe Martin snapped and attacked Zimmerman, but if some guy was following you in a truck and then got out of the truck and came up to you, I think you might suspect that he's trying to attack you.

if that's the case there shopuld be a 911 tape of the paniced 17 year old asking for polifce help ... you know, just like the Zimmerman one.... right?

And if using colorful lingo results in giving up ones rights, this is no longer America.

Also, there is no indication that the 17 year old suspect has ever been to Africa.

Dan8267 says

clambo says

Of course, I have no idea exactly why Martin snapped and attacked Zimmerman.

We have no reason to believe Martin snapped and attacked Zimmerman, but if some guy was following you in a truck and then got out of the truck and came up to you, I think you might suspect that he's trying to attack you.

It is unlikely we are ever going to know exactly what happened. I think that photos of Zimmerman's beaten face would help his story in the court of public opinion.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/27/MN0R1NQC9D.DTL

...there is about a one-minute gap, after Zimmerman called police and before he fatally shot Martin, during which police say they're not sure what happened.

In Zimmerman's version of events, he had stopped following Martin and had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Martin approached him from behind. The two exchanged words, then Martin punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him.
Then, Zimmerman says, he began yelling for help.

Several witnesses heard those cries, and there has been a dispute about from whom they came: Zimmerman or Martin. Lawyers for Martin's family say it was Martin, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman. One witness was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

* * * * *

When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.

It would be interesting to know what words were exchanged and if Zimmerman, emboldened by the gun in his pocket, provoked a fight.

Dan8267 says

Yes, and non-criminals also leave because they see the suit.

Ah, haha, just the other day I saw a guy wearing what looked to be like a security guard uniform, but instead of patches identifying the security company there were superman patches. Also, the shirt was open a little and he was wearing a superman shirt underneath.

Yes, I did give him a wide berth.

Bap33 says

if that's the case there shopuld be a 911 tape of the paniced 17 year old asking for polifce help ... you know, just like the Zimmerman one.... right?

There was no "panicked" 911 call from Zimmerman, just one where he called the kid a "coon".

Bap33 says

And if using colorful lingo results in giving up ones rights, this is no longer America.

No, but the use of colorful lingo may result in someone -- probably not rightfully so -- punching you in the face.

Bap33 says

Lord Barry made a stupid comment about this 17 year old suspect looking "like his son" if he had one. That is from whence my comment was built. His comments were ignant, and my comments point out just how ignant they be.

Bap. So sad that you parrot Gingrich's pathetic political bs.

Everyone knows that the only reason the psycho Zimmerman was following Martin was because of how he looked.

This is an accepted fact. This happened because of how he looked. Now that doesn't mean that he wasn't a gang banger. But Zimmermans innapropriate pursuit of him and ultimately his murder is very much related to how he looked.

This is the context in which Obama said if I had a son he would look like Trayvon.

The fact that you don't get this is stunning. (or maybe you've just been listening to too many racist idiots)

Anybody know where I can get some misinformation to back up what I want to believe about this whole story ?