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And you know what, this explains why conservative hate Bill Maher. He points out their hypocrisies so well.

I love the chart, but it probably characterizes tax cuts as spending. At the very least, they should be honest about that.

Cloud says

Bill Mahr, you mean the guy who get to call women c*nts ?

Why? Because he gave Obama a million bucks?

You mean Bill Mahr, the guy that gets to call woman tw*ts? Because he is own your team? That guy? Where were you Lefties then? I didn't see any liberals demanding he get off tv. Or demands Obama return the money.

Hypocrites. Of course Dan admires a guy like that because he has stated on Patrick that all Catholic woman are sluts. Makes sense.

Instead of attacking the messenger, why not address the message? You can't, so you rant about Bill Maher. "He's sooo mean!"

Cloud says

hypocrites

What have I said that justifies you calling me a hyprocrite? Nothing -- you don't have a response to the topic discussed here. You're a child.

YesYNot says

I love the chart, but it probably characterizes tax cuts as spending. At the very least, they should be honest about that.

I don't know about that. I would think that tax cuts would be included in a chart about deficit running, but not spending as this one is. But I can't verify either way.

rooemoore says
Cloud says

You mean Bill Mahr, the guy that gets to call woman tw*ts? Because he is own your team? That guy? Where were you Lefties then? I didn't see any liberals demanding he get off tv. Or demands Obama return the money.

Hypocrites. Of course Dan admires a guy like that because he has stated on Patrick that all Catholic woman are sluts. Makes sense.

Instead of attacking the messenger, why not address the message? You can't, so you rant about Bill Maher. "He's sooo mean!"

Ah, that's why I have Cloud on ignore. He's such a disingenuous ass. Yeah, I like Bill Maher because he thinks all women are cunts just like I think all Catholic women are sluts. What bullshit.

Bill Maher made a joke once and to claim that he's a misogynist because of that is complete bullshit, just like it's bullshit to have a fake outrage boner over one joke I told in passing several months ago. Oh, and both jokes were funny, so fuck off Cloud.

Still, all this anal leakage that comes from Cloud when people quote him compels me to point out to indisputable facts.

1. Women like Bill Maher. Half his audience are women and they cheer him all the time.

2. Bill Maher used the word cunt in a joke, but he doesn't support forcing women to have a probe shoved up their cunts literally like Republican scumbags like Cloud do.

Republicans supported by assholes like Cloud have passed laws requiring a non-medical procedure involving forcing a wand literally inside a women's vagina before she can get an abortion. It has no medical purpose and is being forced on women solely to shame them and humiliate them to the point where they won't get an abortion.

Now that's fucking misogynistic.

And that's why people like Cloud keep accusing their opponents of being woman haters, because they need to distract people from the real woman haters who are raging the real war on women.

Ok, I did some research and got official figures of federal spending from http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist.pdf

Then I put together a spreadsheet based on the data there that shows the increase in spending by each administration using the same years as the graph from Bill Maher.

Hey Patrick, is there a way to upload files other than images? If so, I'd gladly include the Excel spreadsheet so everyone can verify it.

Below are the results. They are essentially the same as Maher's graph although his data shows slightly higher spending increases for all presidents. Perhaps his data is including spending that the White House archives ignore. But the bottom line is that Bill Maher is once again correct, and his detractors are wrong.

So, can I get an apology from those who accused Maher of spewing misinformation? The data has been confirmed.

Notice from the chart above that every Republican increased spending more than any Democrat. Thus proving the statement that Republicans, not Democrats, are the big spenders.

And no, my data does not count tax decreases as spending. Read the PDF yourself.

And this data comes directly from the White House's website.

You know WTF else? If you take into account inflation, about 3.5%, every Democrat has actually decreased spending whereas every Republican has increased spending, and usually by quite a lot.

And yes, the figures are in nominal dollars.

So we have to completely end the bullshit myth that Democrats are tax and spend, when it's really the Republicans that spend irresponsibly. Fuck, that means that the Democrats really are the party of fiscal responsibility and spending cuts. Think about it.

More chart porn from my spreadsheet...

Oh, and the values are in millions of dollars.

Ruki says

The truth:

Based on the data I got from the White House archives, your chart is complete bullshit. I can't find anyway to reconcile it with the real figures even taking liberal -- no pun intended -- interpretations of the data.

Where did you get that chart from anyway?

Ruki says

I did. You on the other hand, have done nothing but dish out BS to support him, as I ripped to shreds above.

What color is the sky in your world?

You haven't made a single coherent argument that the data used on Maher's graph or mine is false. The PDF file is from the White House archives and contains data going back to George Washington. It's obviously put together by a historian, not by Obama or one of his people.

You really need to stop smoking the wacky tabacky and get a grip on reality. I have absolutely no pro-Obama agenda as anyone, even an moron, could tell from all my anti-Obama posts.

But facts are facts, and I did the research to determine if your allegations were credible or not. It turns out that your allegations had no merit whatsoever. Be a real man and admit your mistake, and all of us will respect you far more than if you double down on stupidity.

I could find other sources with the federal spending data, but it is clear that you won't accept any facts that don't support your distorted view of reality. And quite frankly, I cannot respect that. You are right now proving that Bill Maher is right when he says conservatives live in a bubble and nothing gets through it..

http://www.wEElA5b4AkM

Dan8267 says

Hey Patrick, is there a way to upload files other than images? If so, I'd gladly include the Excel spreadsheet so everyone can verify it.

Oops, almost didn't see this. Please use @Patrick in a comment if you want me to get an email of it.

But no, there is not way to upload files other than images yet.

How about using Google docs for sharing spreadsheets?

Oops, almost didn't see this. Please use @Patrick in a comment if you want me to get an email of it.

Yeah, I forgot that was the new technique.

How about using Google docs for sharing spreadsheets?

Sure, I'll try that.

Ok, it's on Google's docs at https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B4B1gmdDSYedSGNsSWN3eUdXRFU

clambo says

Are you nuts, you want us to think Obama is not a socialist? How's this: he is the worst shit for brains affirmative action president.

Affirmative action is not socialism. And Obama hardly started affirmative action.

clambo says

Did Obama mention the D-Day anniversary today?

Does Bush even know when D-Day is? Hell, his father didn't even know when Pearl Harbor happened.

clambo says

You guys who like Obama are the same, for some twisted psych problem you dislike Americans and particularly American men who have a set of balls and a brain.

I don't like Obama. And I freakin' hate when I have to defend him because right-wing nutjobs makes up some complete bullshit about him. There's plenty of good reasons to hate Obama, but you right-wingers aren't touching any of them because they also apply to Bush, Romney, and all the other Republican cronies.

It seems that the only reasons the right wing hates Obama is that he's black and he's a Democrat. I have yet to hear one single true criticism of Obama from the right. And I would put Obama on trial for capital crimes if I had the power. So don't give me any bullshit about me being an Obama fan.

The difference between me and you right-wingers is that I don't make up shit. I actually listen to facts and rationally judge the situation. But you right-wingers have such a warped sense of reality that it shocks the hell out of normal people -- not liberals, just plain normal people. You know, people who think the Earth revolves around the sun and that 10 is a bigger number than 3.

It's ridiculous how little grasp on reality the right has. And it does make you guys look like lunatic when you claim these outrageous and easily disproved things like

1. Obama is a socialist.
2. Obama was born in Kenya.
3. Obama is raising taxes.
4. Obama has cut military spending.
5. Obama has death panels.
6. Obamacare (a.k.a. Romneycare) is a government takeover of healthcare.
7. Obama came up with the idea of the individual mandate. (No, that actually was the Republican's idea that they demanded to have back when Hilarycare was on the table.)
8. Obama is soft on terrorism.

Here are the facts.

1. Taxes are the lowest they've been in 50 years.

2. Adjusted for inflation, Obama has decreased government spending despite having to pay the bill for G.W. Bush's wars. Bush spent the money and left Obama with the check, but Obama still spent less after adjusting for inflation.

3. Obama, not Bush, killed Osama bin Laden.

4. None of Bush's torturing resulting in the intelligence that led to bin Laden's death.

5. G.W. Bush gave up on even finding bin Laden. And I'll quote Fox News since that's all you right-wingers listen to.
http://www.U5Q0Lf-iLXs

6. Obama has increased the military budget every year.

7. Obama kept Gitmo open and outsourced torture to other countries.

8. Obama doesn't even try to capture terrorists, he just sends drones to kill them even if they are U.S. citizens just suspected of terrorism.

I disagree with just about everything Obama has done including killing Osama bin Laden -- I think we should have brought him back to NYC to stand trial in an open court. So it makes sense that I hate Obama, and I used the term hate because of his horrific record on human rights issues.

But why the fuck do you right-wingers hate Obama when he is literally implementing every Republican policy short of tearing up the Constitution and establishing a Christian fundamentalist theocracy? The only two things that it could possibly be is that he plays for the other team and he's black. And right-wingers just hate those two things.

And that is why I cannot have any respect for right-wingers. If it was just a policy disagreement, I'd be ok with that. If it was just different priorities regarding trade-offs between safety and freedom or economic goals, I'd be cool with that, too. But this sheer hypocrisy is simply intolerable.

There aren't two sides to this story. The right is just a bat-shit crazy lunatic fringe. And all the sensible fiscal conservatives, including Bill Maher who used to get so much shit from liberals and still does, have all left the Republican ranks.

You see, Bill Maher and I, actually do believe in small government, not a nanny state. Sure, we favor a social safety net, which is by no means the main costs of our government. But we also believe that government that governs least governs best because big government requires big power and big power corrupts.

Bill Maher is actually closer to what Republicans used to be pre-Reagan than what today's Republicans are. You don't believe in small government and personal responsibility. You believe in a nanny state that provides cushy tax-payer funded jobs to the defense industry through no-bid contracts to private corporations, as if that makes it less than sucking on the teat of government.

You say you want freedom over security in economic issues, so get rid of social security. But you want security over freedom when it comes to air travel, so pull down your pants and bend over? WTF? Isn't a person's right not to be ass raped or photographed naked by the TSA a bit more important than the capital gains tax or banking regulations?

There's no rugged individualism in the Republican party today. There's no fiscal responsibility. There's no dignity restored to the White House by George Bush. Republicans suck on starting and running wars. Republicans don't support the troops with real help like sending them body armor or ensuring that when they are wounded they receive proper medical care. Democrats are better on all these issues, and I don't even like the Democrats, but it's the truth.

The only principle the Republicans have left is not letting blacks, gays, or atheists hold office. Every other issue on the Republican platform has long been abandoned. And that's why the Republican Party is doomed to die. Because independents like me, who actually hate the Democrats and want a viable alternative, are scared shitless of the lunatic extremists that make up 100% of the Republican Party today.

God I hate to see a second term of Obama, but you Republicans are even worse.

Ruki says

Dan8267 says

. I am unable to verify your chart as there is no data source associated with it and I cannot find it using a reverse image source. Please provide a reference to the source.

Prove to me that Maher's chart came from the OMB & CBO & Haver Analytics...all three, as you claim, first.

Prove your chart came from any source other than out your ass.

Dan8267 says

We may have had our tussles over gender, but fricken damn I have to defer to you as the master of summing up what is so sick and wrong with American politics.

Cloud says

You weren't joking Dan. And you couldn't get away with saying such things in public, not where I am from. Maybe in California.

Good job internet tough guy you sure put Dan in his place!

Cloud says

Bill Mahr, you mean the guy who get to call women c*nts ?

*Yawn*

Cloud says

...Dan made in a post...CATHOLIC GIRLS ARE SLUTS...
You have no credibility.

**Doubble-Yawn**

Cloud's favorite fallacy of the day: genetic

Dan8267 says

But why the fuck do you right-wingers hate Obama when he is literally implementing every Republican policy short of tearing up the Constitution and establishing a Christian fundamentalist theocracy? The only two things that it could possibly be is that he plays for the other team and he's black. And right-wingers just hate those two things.

That pretty much sums up my feeling on this as well. He's record is pretty much moderate conservative (firmly right when it comes to foreign policy) so when the right wing nutjobs paints him as a commie terrorist from Kenya they lose all my credibility.