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Oh man. Violence against women is bad enough, but you would think that the home of your parents would be the one place you'd be safe.

What a horrible story.

Well it certainly wasn't very honorable.

Please people. As Marcus has said thousands of time, we cannot judge other people's culture. This honor killing was a religiously significant event. The family "perceived" the girl as being too westernized, and their perceptions are more important than the girl's life.

People have didn't perceptions than you do. That doesn't make their perceptions wrong, even when it means killing a 17-year-old girl. Her family's faith is different from yours, not worse. Who are you to judge their spiritual beliefs? What are you, some kind of god-damn atheist?

Again, I rest my case.

My belief that judging all spiritual belief as wrong, is twisted around by Dan to be that I advocate satanic rituals or the most evil fundamentalist inspired crimes.

If religion in certain extreme cases can lead evil, then all religion is always evil? Oh, okay I get it (sarcasm symbol here).

This is what it looks like when Dan loses an argument. Not pretty.

Dan8267 says

As Marcus has said thousands of time, we cannot judge other people's culture. This honor killing was a religiously significant event. The family "perceived" the girl as being too westernized, and their perceptions are more important than the girl's life.

People have didn't perceptions than you do. That doesn't make their perceptions wrong, even when it means killing a 17-year-old girl. Her family's faith is different from yours, not worse. Who are you to judge their spiritual beliefs? What are you, some kind of god-damn atheist?

Ruki says

What's the difference between killing her at age 17 as opposed to while she's still in the room,

Depending on when the abortion happens: self-awareness.

marcus says

My belief that judging all spiritual belief as wrong,

All spiritual beliefs are false. Whether or not they are morally wrong is another matter. However, faith and superstition are easily abused by power-hungry people and even in the absence of such abuse often cause irrational and destructive behavior as seen in this murder of a young woman.

marcus says

If religion in certain extreme cases can lead evil, then all religion is always evil?

That is a Straw Man argument. My position is that superstition -- and that includes what you call faith and religion -- is inherently irrational, and irrationality is inherently dangerous especially in the modern age.

Religion is a hierarchical power structure based on lies. As such, religion is in itself an evil whether or not it causes greater evils. Of course, such power structures, being based on deceiving the masses, more often than not leads to evils small or great.

marcus says

(sarcasm symbol here).

Sarcasm without intelligence does not win a debate.

marcus says

This is what it looks like when Dan loses an argument.

Only in your mind does the opposition lose the argument immediately after you speak your first word. Can't wait for the rebuttal?

My turn to cross examine. Marcus, should we Americans respect the cultural and religious beliefs that caused these parents to murder their child? Oh wait, giving a straight answer to that question would take balls. I expect you to either ignore the question or weasel out of giving a straight answer.