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coriacci1 says

What a beautiful world it would be if we could base our system on such a cost effective alternative.

Your story is very interesting. Thanks for sharing it. I would love it if you could point to a website or web journal where one might read more extensively about your experiences with alternative/Eastern meds.

heathcare for profit....... an idea whose time has gone.

coriacci1 says

heathcare for profit....... an idea whose time has gone.

ironic coming from the snake oil peddler of the thread.

Alright guys. This thread has been derailed....

Can anyone can give credibility/proof to other therapies besides chemo/radiation?

Some of the documentaries seem to make sense, but I know that all documentaries are usually heavily slanted.

It makes sense to me that chemo/radiation would be a poor choice, simply because it weakens the immune system, instead of builds it. Surgery (if possible), seems like a good bet. Although, if I ever get prostate cancer, I may just have to live with the cancer. From what I understand, the majority of men who undergo prostate surgery/removal, pretty much live without sex for the rest of their lives.. That really seems like no way to live.. lol

joshuatrio says

Although, if I ever get prostate cancer, I may just have to live with the cancer. From what I understand, the majority of men who undergo prostate surgery/removal, pretty much live without sex for the rest of their lives.. That really seems like no way to live.. lol

Many prostate cancers are slow growing and victims survive for years without treatment. I do agree, living without sex would be awful. However, it is still living... as opposed to not living.

I've seen many people try all sorts of alternative therapies that didn't work in the long run. Since I work with people who are dying, I don't have any proof that any of these therapies work. The problem with my experience is that I don't meet the survivors, I only see the failures.

elliemae says

I've seen many people try all sorts of alternative therapies that didn't work in the long run.

My immediate co-worker was diagnosed with prostate cancer. Think I mentioned this above.

He dumped his doc and went on some crazy fast/super nutritious diet. The guy is alive and well today while his cancer has gone into remission.

He is the only guy I know to have gone an alternate route. Everyone else usually goes with the knife.

(Reuters) - Drug regulators gave the nod to a Teva Pharmaceutical Industries drug that boosts the production of infection-fighting white blood cells in certain cancer patients receiving chemotherapy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/29/us-teva-idUSBRE87S1CV20120829

I'll just skip the chemo thank you...

JodyChunder says

bob2356 says

If you want to say that US medicine only exists as a "money milking machine"

Without hesitation, I would say this about pharmaceutical companies.

And I would agree with you without hesitation. Very few new meds have come on the market. Most are just tweaks to existing meds to extend the patent.

ELC says

(Reuters) - Drug regulators gave the nod to a Teva Pharmaceutical Industries drug that boosts the production of infection-fighting white blood cells in certain cancer patients receiving chemotherapy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/29/us-teva-idUSBRE87S1CV20120829

I'll just skip the chemo thank you...

Nice!

Fifty percent of all doctors graduated in the lower half of their class, so they didn’t know much to begin with. The other half never bother to update their antiquated data base. They’re too busy making money.

The only really healthy people are the ones who have never gone for a medical exam; if they had done so, the doctor would have surely found something ‘wrong’ with them.

joshuatrio says

Alright guys. This thread has been derailed....

Can anyone can give credibility/proof to other therapies besides chemo/radiation?

I asked a question earlier that nobody addressed. What does a healthy diet look like? Why is that such a hard question? Is there anything more important to a human being then how to properly fuel his machine? If you went to your mechanic with constant issues, he'd tell you first things first, you have to put diesel fuel in your diesel motor, not 87 unleaded with 15% ethanol!

Maybe proper nutrition can't help a patient once they've developed cancer, but as everyone in the thread seems to agree, once someone has cancer, there's not much of anything that can be done to help them.

So with any problem, in order to 'solve' it, we must strip it of it's complexities and start at the beginning. After all, dietary inputs are the one thing that we do have more or less complete control over,,,,,

so what are we supposed to be eating to properly fuel our bodies? What should we avoid eating, to give us our best chance at not getting cancer?

Growing up, i was educated by my public school, to eat a recommended diet of

6-11 servings breads/grains/cereal/rice/pasta
3-5 servings vegetables
2-4 servings of fruits
2-3 servings of dairy
2-3 servings of meat/poultry/fish/dry beans/eggs/nuts
and to use fats and oils sparingly

In recent years, they have updated the info and now recommend a similar diet, with emphasis on exercise and a lower recommendation of the grains/cereals group, with emphasis that the majority should come from whole grains.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110614115037.htm

A 1995 Case Western Reserve University case report on two children with brain cancer showed that 8 weeks of a high-fat, low-carb ketogenic diet resulted in 22 percent less tumor metabolism, which means that the tumor had stopped growing.

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/colon-cancer-refined-carbohydrates-and-excess-fats-may-drive-the-insulin-gene-in-colon-cells-to-promote-cancer.html

is there a snakier oil than chemo for non small cell lung cancer?

coriacci1 says

is there a snakier oil than chemo for non small cell lung cancer?

None comes with a more elborate dog and pony show! ;)

errc says

Maybe proper nutrition can't help a patient once they've developed cancer, but as everyone in the thread seems to agree, once someone has cancer, there's not much of anything that can be done to help them.

You need to go beyond proper nutrition. A raw food diet can reverse cancer. This place is expensive but they're the real deal. See http://www.hippocratesinst.org/ Here's some articles from their magazine with people's testimonials http://www.hippocratesinst.org/archives/117-recovery

ELC says

A raw food diet can reverse cancer.

If you feel that way, please buy your supplies from my cousin Matt:

http://www.therawfoodworld.com/