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Zlxr says

Homeboy - do you even believe in the Constitution of the United States?

Do I "believe in it"? Um, yes - I believe the Constitution exists. What a strange question.

I think one of our rules/laws somewhere states that crimes need to be properly investigated.

You think? You don't know? Wait, you just asked me if I believe in the Constitution, yet you don't even know what's in it? Maybe you should have thought this through before you hit "submit comment".

Shock and Awe on innocent people whether here or abroad is just plain wrong.

Yes, it is. What's your point?

Homeboy says

Nope, you're still a fucking moron.

what's next? "I know you are, but what am I?" What a class-act you be, houseboy.

Bap33 says

Homeboy says

Nope, you're still a fucking moron.

what's next? "I know you are, but what am I?" What a class-act you be, houseboy.

Sorry, I'll try to be more classy, like you:

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Zlxr says

We already determined that I'm retarded and I still know more than you do. You'd even argue in favor of the guys who put Galileo in jail. As I said - you either just like to argue - or you're paid to disrupt websites.

No, I just like the truth, so when you tell lies, I am going to call you on it. Galileo was dedicated to science, not fantasy and wild speculation. You don't even deserve to speak his name. I find it fascinating that you refuse to believe that a person could go to flight school, learn how to fly a plane, and then crash a plane into a building, yet you seem to have no trouble believing the much more improbable story that a huge government conspiracy managed to plant half a million tons of explosives into some of the most secure buildings in the country, employing controlled demolition technology never before used or even heard of, and let one of the buildings burn all day without setting off any of the explosives or damaging the control mechanisms. And all this without any video or audio record of the type of explosions that would be associated with a controlled demolition. And to this day nobody involved has talked about it, except Larry Silverstein supposedly admitting it on camera in some kind of code language, for no reason, and then denying it.

You believe all that, yet it blows your mind to imagine that a terrorist flew a plane into a building. The hard part of flying a plane is staying alive; they didn't need to do that. Shit, they didn't even all succeed. Flight 93 never got to whatever the terrorists' destination was supposed to be.

You are saying, "I can't believe this thing happened, so therefore this even MORE unbelievable thing must have happened."

Does not compute.

Yes, we fought a war in Iraq that we had no business fighting, and the Bush administration was never held accountable for their misdeeds. Doesn't prove that he CD'd the World Trade Center. Your anger is causing you to desperately search for some 'reason' that bad things happened. Sometimes bad things just happen. I know you want closure, but sometimes there just isn't any, and no amount of pretending will change that.

OK for Squatting, Bgamall, Zlxr, or any other conspiracy believers--help me out.

1. Do you believe planes hit the twin towers and pentagon?
2. If so, was Al Queda involved at all?

Forget all the thermite, smoke puffs, Newton's 3rd law BS. Let's start with those 2 questions.

Zlxr says

The day after 911 - someone we knew called their friend in Washington and was told it was a false event so we could go to war.

Then there are the rumors coming from people who know people who work in the White House that actually name a certain person who was responsible for the interceptor planes not doing their jobs.

Convincing stuff.

Zlxr says

P.S. You say you like truth

Galileo was put in jail for thinking the world was round. But I guess that isn't in your scientific truth thinking is it?

Is it impossible for you to get any of your facts right?

Squatting in East CoCo says

Yes I believe that jihadist hijacked planes and flew them into buildings on 9/11.

Back to debating the evidence of a CD of WTC7, because that is the "smoking gun".

Who did it? We don't know. Do you?

Nobody did it because it wasn't a CD. You also failed to mention that you believe that the other buildings were also brought down by CDs. And what about the Pentagon? Come on, why don't you just be honest? State exactly what you think happened to all the buildings and who you think did it.

Squatting in East CoCo says

tatupu70 says

Newton's 3rd law BS

You will never understand the evidence if you think physics is BS.

That's a very trollish response, don't you think?

Squatting in East CoCo says

I just discovered this controversy last month. I suspect that years of debating this topic and using all of the official story lines has brainwashed some people from even wanting to believe that the terrorists are much closer to home.

You need extraordinary evidence to back up your extraordinary claims. You can't even manage to produce one thing that is remotely convincing. That isn't down to brainwashing on our part, that is just you and your complete lack of supportive evidence.
And I see you are still claiming you are new to this. How about your claim of being a professor? Still sticking to that one as well?

Squatting in East CoCo says

Professors are smart. We can research reams of material. We have critical thinking skills that allow us to seperate fact from fiction, speculation from BS.

Clearly you aren't a professor then.

Squatting in East CoCo says

If your mind were fresh, if you had only come across ALL the evidence a month ago, you might see the errors of the official story and question the evidence.

Nope. Your theory is outlandish. The evidence supporting it non-existent. And you employ the reverse scientific method. That isn't the approach of any professor I know.

Squatting in East CoCo says

"The last key point to make in addressing the views of those who aggressively reject 911 truth claims is the fact that many of them are acting, a rather parroting the view, that asking these sorts of questions is a bad thing. Truth should never fear inspection and interrogation! We should be asking questions and we should be debating the issues - using logic and science."

It's a bad thing if you make an extraordinary claim and are then totally incapable of convincingly supporting it.

Squatting in East CoCo says

Common denier tactic of misdirection, deflect the discussion away from the topic at hand.

How is that deflecting from the topic? Go on explain it to me. I asked you a direct question about what you actually believe happened. What is more relevant than that?

Squatting in East CoCo says

Bigsby, Did you see this one:

It really explains the evidence for the CD of WTC7.

You quite clearly aren't a professor because if you were, you wouldn't claim that video as evidence. It is just a rehash of all the usual conspiracy arguments voiced by people who believe in said conspiracy; Decide what you think happened and then shape your evidence the best you can to match that. Very academic I don't think.
And what on earth was that nonsense at the end? I take it you think the BBC and CNN were in on it as well. Exactly how big does this conspiracy have to get?

Squatting in East CoCo says

Bigsby says

Nope. Your theory is outlandish. The evidence supporting it non-existent

There was trace evidence of thermite in the WTC dust.

There was earwitness and video account of explosions.

The official story has WTC7 falling in a manner which defied physics.

The official report neglected or denied evidence.

And here we go again. Very professorial.

Squatting in East CoCo says

My research has shown that the Pentagon is a can of worms

What is that supposed to mean?

Squatting in East CoCo says

I continue to "debate" Bigsby for two reasons:

1. I hope I can open his eyes to see the evidence of a CD of WTC7. His denial makes it easy to present evidence that he does not and cannot rebut.

2. It helps others see the truth.

The truth is you just keep posting the same things and avoid addressing the issues raised about what you post. I hope that simple fact does help people see the truth.

Squatting in East CoCo says

Bigsby says

Squatting in East CoCo says

My research has shown that the Pentagon is a can of worms

What is that supposed to mean?

The video evidence has been confiscated and the Pentagon is so secure that there is very little access to any physical evidence.

Why don't you just state what you think happened at the Pentagon and why?

Squatting in East CoCo says

Bigsby says

Decide what you think happened and then shape your evidence the best you can to match that. Very academic I don't think.

That is what NIST did.

No, it didn't, and as a professor, you should be aware of that.

Zlxr says

The biggest evidence is sitting right in front of our eyes,

Self cleaning ovens heat up to about 900 degrees F on the cleaning cycle and the stoves don't melt. Yet everything left inside that can burn is basically turned to ash.

So what kind of a fire would damage the steel in a steel building and leave all that paper around. It should have burned up way before the steel got hot enough to even bend.

Must try harder.

Squatting in East CoCo says

I cant seem to recall you posting ANY evidence for your conjectures. I may be mistaken. Can you repost your rebuttal evidence to the following four points:

a. There was trace evidence of thermite in the WTC dust.

b. There was earwitness and video account of explosions.

c. The official story has WTC7 falling in a manner which defied physics.

d. The official report neglected or denied evidence.

My conjectures? I'm not the one making the outlandish claims. You are.
a. Other people addressed that multiple times.
b. I have addressed that multiple times - buildings on fire can have minor explosions. How does that equate to a CD? Show proof of a CD. You haven't because you can't.
c. According to you and your conspiracy websites. Not according to other reports. Either way, defying the laws of physics is quite some achievement. Perhaps you should phone up CNN, Fox, BBC, Al-Jazeera etc. etc. and give them the news or are all those news organisations part of this conspiracy as well?
d. Since when do reports cover every single piece of evidence? I presume this has something to do with point a., so why not read what people said about that. And what does 'deny(ing)' evidence mean?

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Squatting in East CoCo says

Why don't you take me off ignore so you can stop making an idiot of yourself? Then you won't have to use your sock puppet BuilderMike to find out what I'm saying."

Homeboy, I speak for myself. I work with engineers and architects. They don't go out on a limb easily. The video had a number of engineers and architects provide their opinions about the inconsistencies in the official 9/11 conspiracy theory.

There are also Pilots for Truth http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html.

I've met a number of 'tin foil hat' conspiracy nuts in my life. They exist. There are quite a few in the 9/11 Truth movement. That doesn't change the fact that real professionals have expressed real concerns over the faulty logic of the official story. I agree with them.

There are real grounds for a new investigation. That's all.

Squatting in East CoCo says

Bigsby says

Must try harder.

Agreed

You agree with me that Zlxr's posts are ridiculous or....

Zlxr says

P.S. You say you like truth

Galileo was put in jail for thinking the world was round. But I guess that isn't in your scientific truth thinking is it?

Galileo was put in jail for challenging the churches attempt to control all education and knowledge in order to repress as many people as possible so the church could continue to be the richest most powerful organization on the planet. Science or truth had absolutely nothing to do with it.

The rest of the world knew the world was round. The western world pre catholic church knew the world was round. Greeks and Romans both calculated the circumference of the earth very accurately.

Comparing Galileo to 911 truthers is just pathetic.

Zlxr says

Hmmmmmm

Challenging those in authority who want to control education gets you put in jail.

Hmmmmmmm. You are so smart.

Is that supposed to mean something? And did you check your 'facts' about Galileo? There's this wonderful thing called Google you can use. Or try typing the word heliocentric.

Zlxr says

Hmmmmmm

Challenging those in authority who want to control education gets you put in jail.

Hmmmmmmm. You are so smart.

Hmmmmmmm. I didn't read the part where any truthers were put in jail. I'm sure you can post a video. There's a big difference between persecution and 99% of average people ignoring truthers because they consider truthers conspiracy nut jobs. I'm sure you don't grasp that, but it's ok at least give it a try.

Zlxr says

The biggest evidence is sitting right in front of our eyes,

Self cleaning ovens heat up to about 900 degrees F on the cleaning cycle and the stoves don't melt. Yet everything left inside that can burn is basically turned to ash.

So what kind of a fire would damage the steel in a steel building and leave all that paper around. It should have burned up way before the steel got hot enough to even bend.

Pretty compelling evidence that self cleaning oven thing.

No ovens don't melt because.
a. Ordinary structural steel doesn't begin to soften until 1000f which is above 900f. You must try to understand the difference between soften and melt. I know it's hard. Try some experiments at home with a candy bar.
b. Ordinary structural steel isn't what is used to line ovens. Try to stretch your imagination to encompass the idea that there is more than one kind of steel. Actually there are thousands of alloys of steel depending on the application.

All the paper? You inventoried it to make sure none is missing? Maybe the three buildings weren't fully engulfed in flames from top to bottom, side to side. Maybe, just maybe there were at least a same floors that weren't on fire, Maybe, must maybe this could be were paper came from. Nah, that couldn't happen, 911truth told me so.

Thinking is not a crime. Try it sometime.

Squatting in East CoCo says

Right below a persons user name is the ignore button.

Homeboy is one of the few people I have put on ignore.

If he had added something to the debate I would not have ignored him. Instead he was full of vulgar personal attacks and inane arguments.

Homeboy was a good speller.

You put me on ignore because I asked you a lot of questions that were rather inconvenient for you, since you couldn't answer them. To this date, you haven't answered ANY of the questions you have been asked.

If thermite cuts steel rather than shattering it, why did you claim there were "explosions"?

How did WTC7 burn all day without setting off any of the explosives or damaging any control mechanisms?

How did the conspirators plant half a million tons of explosives with devices to hold them in contact with the steel frames of the buildings, through walls and/or floors, in some of the most secure buildings in the world, without anyone noticing?

Why would the conspirators go to all that trouble to have controlled demolitions, when the objective was to make it look like terrorists knocked the buildings down?

Why would Larry Silverstein admit on camera that he was part of a secret government conspiracy, if his goal was to commit insurance fraud?

You have not answered ANY of these questions, nor any of the other questions you have been asked. You claim you want a debate, but you refuse to participate.

Unless you can answer these questions, your theory doesn't make any sense. But you'd rather put people on ignore than have to explain yourself. Just stick your fingers in your ears and chant, "It WAS a controlled demolition. It WAS a controlled demolition....."

I shudder to think that you are actually teaching a college-level class.

Zlxr says

P.S. You say you like truth

Galileo was put in jail for thinking the world was round. But I guess that isn't in your scientific truth thinking is it?

Don't sell yourself short, Zlxr. You are nothing less than Jesus himself. You are the greatest martyr in the history of the universe.

Squatting in East CoCo says

bob2356 says

There's a big difference between persecution and 99% of average people ignoring truthers because they consider truthers conspiracy nut jobs.

99%? Please post poll to support your numbers.

It's not 99%; it's more like 99.999997%. 17000 AE911TRUTH petition signers (rounded up) vs. world population of 6,973,738,433.

Squatting in East CoCo says

So are you saying that you have no evidence to post?

No, I'm saying you don't.

Squatting in East CoCo says

bob2356 says

Comparing Galileo to 911 truthers is just pathetic.

He was comparing people that don't want to look at the evidence to flat earthers.

Which of course has nothing to do with Galileo.

BuilderMike says

Homeboy, I speak for myself. I work with engineers and architects. They don't go out on a limb easily. The video had a number of engineers and architects provide their opinions about the inconsistencies in the official 9/11 conspiracy theory.

How convenient that you joined patrick.net just in time to post in this thread to support Squatting as a so-called "expert", and your only 3 posts are in this thread. That is just an amazing stroke of luck, eh?

Squatting in East CoCo says

Bigsby says

My facts? I take it that the evidence of the overwhelming majority of respected specialists in the related fields are not of interest then.

Can you give us links to these "respected specialists" evidence against the CD of WTC7?

Why would they spend their time supplying evidence against an outlandish conspiracy theory? Their job is to explain what happened based on investigation, not to refute every nut job theory that pops up on the internet. What happened was researched and the conclusions run contrary to your theory, and is therefore... Oh, you work it out.

Squatting in East CoCo says

Bigsby says

Squatting in East CoCo says

So are you saying that you have no evidence to post?

No, I'm saying you don't.

OK. I guess we are done here. Thank you for your contribution.

I wish I could say the same to you, but unfortunately you've just run around in circles posting the same comments repeatedly and avoided addressing the problems raised. You are the one peddling the conspiracy. The onus is squarely on you to prove it, not for us to disprove it.

Squatting in East CoCo says

You say you have evidence and when we ask for it you say you have none.

How about eyewitness accounts, video evidence of airplanes being flown into the twin towers? How about airplane wreckage found in the debris? How about the identities of Al Queda members being on the planes that crashed?

Because there is no denying the fact that airplanes full of jet fuel crashed in to the towers. And that Al Queda was behind it. Once you accept that, then you are now saying the conspiracy involved the US working together with Bin Laden. Is that what you are saying? If so, please provide the evidence.

And before you write your standard 4 lines:

Thermite doesn't explode. So are you saying that thermit was used or that you heard explosions? Because those two statements are at odds with each other.

tatupu70 says

How about the identities of Al Queda members being on the planes that crashed?

that sure seems like it would be hard to find ... a piece of paper, or seven. Especially after a huge explosion, then either drifitin down and being blown about the area, landing several blocks away, or floaing down and then having all of the debris and dust cover it after the final fall. Or, sitting at the burning floors level for an hour, deposited there when the cockpit vaporized, and then riding the collapse to the ground, then having the upper floors collapse on top of the paper too, and then the whole mess piles into a big pit that burns for a month at a temp so high it keeps workmen back. That is a very lucky find, in my opinion.

Does anyone have odds on finding those ID's? Just wondering.

Bap33 says

Does anyone have odds on finding those ID's? Just wondering.

Believe it or not airlines keep passenger lists and they don't even store them on paper in 7wtc without any other copies like everyone else apparently did.

Zlxr says

And if perchance what I and many others believe is also incorrect - it's just spreading because no one is willing to let us find out the truth.

What's stopping you, ae911truth is raking in almost 500 big a year? That buys a lot of research or lots of nice toys for gage. I wonder which?