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CaptainShuddup says

Someone said something that sounded smart on Real Time did they?

I say poppycock!

I figured you were a geezer, but, holy shit, "poppycock"?

So you blame Obama for your failures to get work? Here's an idea, why not take some personal responsibility instead of whining about not getting any good paying gigs. (I bet it's those young whippersnappers, with all their social media and low rates!).
And instead of wasting your time here (not earning $$$ which you obviously need) go to school:

http://www.codecademy.com/
http://www.codeschool.com/
http://www.udacity.com/

Ruki says

Topic. Let's all stay on topic please. I don't care what you say but only it is about the topic -- this bullshit claim that the US has been 'de-industrializing' despite the hard fact that manufacturing output is higher than ever.

That is not the "topic". The topic is that we get caught in the short term fixes that often do nothing and sometimes harm the long term good.

The quote I posted was off the cuff from a talk show - cut the guy some slack. Simon isn't referring to industrialization the same way you are. He is referring the seismic shift in industrial jobs, where they are located, what they pay and what they produce.

Also, as I'm sure you will agree, technology plays into this dramatic change. A car plant opening today with 5000 employees can produce what would have taken 25000 in the 70s.

So, again the point of the thread is that we are always caught up in the short term solutions. The road to recovery for this economy is a LONG ROAD. If you want to argue that we are on the wrong path under Obama, that's fine. Just don't point to weak jobs numbers, for instance, and say that this is PROOF we are on the wrong course.

Simon was saying that this logic (are you better off...) is bullshit whether Obama or McCain was in the WH right now. I agree.

The fact that you turn this into a stupid gotcha argument is probably the reason you might be banned.

rooemoore says

again the point of the thread is that we are always caught up in the short term solutions. The road to recovery for this economy is a LONG ROAD. If you want to argue that we are on the wrong path under Obama, that's fine.

Exactly.

But Shrek is always operating from an argumentative point of view. The underlying premise behind everything he says is, " how do I paint Obama to be the bad guy in this ?"

OK, we are on the wrong path under obama. He failed to honor his own campaign promises and has continued many of
Bush's failed policies.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

"We won't be fooled again" that would be a great slogan for disenfranchised voters of every stripe.

robertoaribas says

But, he didn't do as well as hoped, so we should get rid of him, and hire a jackass who SAID He wouldn't bother to go after Bin Laden, to let GM go under, and wants to give tax breaks to the rich and screw the middle class, education, etc....

Don't forget Romney has said time and time again "no military cuts". In fact he wants to increase the defense budget.