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Bap33 says

I must be using a term or something you do not like, but I really cant see your point.

As for the matter vs. energy thing, matter can store potential energy in its chemical bonds.

Plants take the incident energy of photons hitting specific molecules in their leaves and transform water and carbon molecules into sugars, which have a higher embedded chemical energy than the constituent particles.

When we intentionally rapidly oxidize ("burn") these sugars, this embedded chemical energy is released as radiation, which we perceive as heat and light at our human scale of understanding.

But matter is conserved in this process, so matter is not actually turning into energy -- the atoms just come through it in a different, lower energy, configuration compared to how they were arranged before being burned.

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As for the old testament, I think beyond a certain point it's no more historical than the Mormon "bible" is. Where that point is is of course open for debate, LOL.

Bellingham Bill says

When we intentionally rapidly oxidize ("burn") these sugars, this embedded chemical energy is released as radiation

and I said, "or, you can say you release the energy trapped inside the matter and seperate the matter into diferent compounds"

I think I grasp this pretty well .... but, this example is only talking about burning a bio source. We can burn rocks, that have no sugars, and release energy too. So, I just kept it simple. My bad.

Bap33 says

We can burn rocks, that have no sugars, and release energy too.

actually we're just rearranging the carbon-compound chemical bonds in fossil fuels, too. The organic matter that became fossil fuels was the product of photosynthesis, too, for that matter.

"organic' techincally means carbon-based, btw.

2H₂ + O₂ → 2H₂O exothermic reaction has no carbon in it, LOL. Thermite, and lime + aluminum are also non-organic power sources.

As are electrical batteries like lead acid (lead + hydrogen sulfate), NiCd and lithium polymer . . .

now we are on the same page .... matter = energy, and energy = matter.

matter is a compound of atoms that move around when they gain energy and when they lose energy.

My dry cell Optima battery is really nice.

Juan's core polemic is pointedly ignorant horseshit.

Look, he works for large entity which makes money. Whether it's NPR or it's Fox News, they own the microphone. You do or say something that offends your employer's sensibilities, you are history.

You want absolute "free speech" without worrying about getting fired, then buy your own microphone.

Pretending otherwise is like he's just discovered something everyone else has known since the beginnings of mass media. You think a reporter employed by William Randolph Hearst wrote any stories about the wonders of hemp?

Vicente says

You think a reporter employed by William Randolph Hearst wrote any stories about the wonders of hemp?

This question reminds me of a famous story about Hearst, which even Orson Welles acknowledged by presenting it in the movie Citizen Kaine. Hearst fell in love with a talented Vaudeville-type comedic showgirl named Marion Davies, and he pressured her to sing serious opera which seemed to him more dignified. A Hearst theater critic, who was also a drunkard, wrote a scathing review but passed out at his desk, missing his deadline. Hearst completed the negative review and ran it, then fired the writer for being drunk on the job and missing the deadline. Hearst was also famous for dinner parties at San Simeon where he invited people who disagreed totally about everything.

Vicente says

You want absolute "free speech" without worrying about getting fired, then buy your own microphone.

100% correct.