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Why Don't Any Animals Have Wheels?


               
2012 Oct 14, 6:48am   1,661 views  8 comments

by Dan8267   follow (4)  

And why haven't they built roads?

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Damn it, science has a liberal bias! Turns out that you have to live like an animal, in the literal sense, to be a real conservative.

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1   New Renter   @   2012 Oct 15, 1:33am  

Some animals can BE wheels:

2   Dan8267   @   2012 Oct 16, 5:07am  

Yes, but the point of the video an referenced text is that animals can't evolve to form a wheel-axle system because it would not be possible to transfer nutrients and oxygen between the wheel and the axle. Nor would making one of the two parts out of non-living material work because it would still be necessary to have living cells to manage the structure of the non-living material, and those cells would starve.

3   curious2   @   2012 Oct 16, 5:41am  

Interesting perspective, but there are other ways to look at it. Dawkins and the narrator's best point is that wheels are overrated.

If wheels were really useful, famously cooperative insects might assemble like transformers into wheeled super-organisms. Even human fingernails naturally grow in a curve, and humans can somersault, and many animals are capable of using simple tools. Sea creatures steal shells, crows are especially adept at using sticks and assembling nests. The narrator notes flagella, which operate similarly to wheels but more like propellers. So, it wouldn't be all that difficult for an animal to make a wheel, it just also wouldn't be very useful without roads or rails.

Even for most of human history, people relied heavily on boats, which is why cities tend to be near coasts. Even today, places that lack roads rely on air travel. And, air travel is surprisingly efficient: commercial airliners traveling over 500mph get over 50 passenger MPG, sometimes 70, which is better than a person driving alone in a Prius at one tenth the speed. Airlines pay taxes, while passenger railroads are subsidized; freight rail is efficient, while vehicles on roads are less so.

As technology advances, limbed robots and flying cars may overtake roads. There may come a time when people will look back on roads and wheels as mostly an interim step, like the "animal track" phase of human history. Meanwhile, it's interesting to note when religious fundamentalists talk about something being "unnatural," that what they call unnatural is in fact natural, while wheels are actually unnatural, and so is religion.

4   New Renter   @   2012 Oct 16, 10:24am  

A deer trail may be considered a road built by animals. Such trails are also used by many other kinds of animals (e.g. humans).

5   leo707   @   2012 Oct 24, 8:05am  

New Renter says

A deer trail may be considered a road built by animals. Such trails are also used by many other kinds of animals (e.g. humans).

The difference being that a deer creating a trail requires no "extra" effort on the part of the deer. Also, game trails are not conducive to wheeled transit.

Building a road on the other hand is a huge up-front energy expenditure for an expected "savings" in energy during one's future travels.

7   rdm   @   2012 Oct 25, 3:57am  

Is the ultimate point of the video that Man has evolved to or if creationist is in already in a higher state than animals? Who would doubt that? That we can create roads which benefit others in society as well as ourselves?

There are animals/insects that have very cooperative societies, bees and ants come to mind as complex societies where by the individual is but a cog in the "wheel" of the society in which neither the society or individual would survive without this cooperative work, at a higher level a wolf pack or pride of lions come to mind. There is of course is no free will in the insect/animal cooperative societies where man has at least the illusion of free will in his actions.

8   curious2   @   2012 Oct 25, 5:22am  

rdm says

Is the ultimate point of the video....

It means different things to different people.

To zzyzzx, it's a chance to look at cats.

To Mittens, it's an idea for a new "electric" car: trap kitties in the tires and use cattle prods to make them RUN RUN RUN. Also, tie the dog to the roof and pull his tail to honk the horn. Make pets take responsibility for their own lives instead of depending on handouts like those lazy veterans and Social Security recipients! This is why Romnesia said "let Detroit go bankrupt," he had his own plan to be a bigshot car executive like his dad.

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