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They voted for the party who is going to give them unearned citizenship and monetary handouts.

It is really a white male vs. all others issue.

dublin hillz says

Abortion remains extremely unpopular amongst latinos due to catholicism.

I think this is not supported by the exit polls.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/latinos-endorse-legal-abortion/

"Exit poll results found that about two-thirds of Hispanics (66%) said that abortion should be legal while 28% disagreed. Among all voters, a somewhat smaller majority (59%) would allow legal abortions while 37% were opposed."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/22/us-usa-religion-politics-catholic-idUSBRE89L11Y20121022

"The poll found that 60 percent of Catholics want a greater focus on social justice issues rather than abortion, while 31 percent support the opposite approach."

Catholic voters are much different than the hierarchy. Even among the clergy, there are big differences on these issues versus the Conference of Bishops.

So, I'd say Hispanics tend to be liberal on BOTH Social and Economic issues, in addition to being turned off by the xenophobic GOP.

dublin hillz says

natural positions on social issues.

Most Latinos understand, perhaps better than Fox viewers, that divide & misrule rhetoric is not "natural positions on social issues." Newt Gingrich campaigning absurdly with his 3rd wife against gay couples getting married doesn't fool most Latinos the same way it fools Fox viewers. On social issues, Latin American countries from Argentina to Mexico are moving ahead of what used to be called "the land of the free." Gay couples can get married in Argentina, or Mexico City, but not in California. Maybe that's the Republicans' plan to stop immigration?

robertoaribas says

Name one thing the GOP has done for any minority since Ronald Reagan...

Since Lincoln, you mean.

It's probably because latinos don't see God as an old angry white dude blowing sunshine and moonbeams up the ass of fat angry white people in the US.

Moderate Infidel says

It's probably because latinos don't see God as an old angry white dude blowing sunshine and moonbeams up the ass of fat angry white people in the US.

That's not how they see God. That's how they see America!

robertoaribas says

I guess the world needs stupid racists too

Nothing stupid about whites protecting themselves from groups(blacks and latinos) who are statistically proven to commit more crime per capita than any other groups in the US.

robertoaribas says

Name one thing the GOP has done for any minority since Ronald Reagan...

They help out the 1% all the time - they are the ultimate minority.

foxmannumber1 says

It is really a white male vs. all others issue.

It's really a frightened white racist male vs. all others issue.
There, I fixed it for you foxy.

too much overblown....

In the 1996 presidential election, 72% of Hispanics and Latinos backed President Bill Clinton, but in 2000 the Democratic total fell to 62%, and went down again in 2004, with Democrat John Kerry winning Hispanics 58–40 against Bush. Hispanics in the West, especially in California, were much stronger for the Democratic Party than in Texas and Florida. California Latinos voted 63–32 for Kerry in 2004, and both Arizona and New Mexico Latinos by a smaller 56–43 margin; but Texas Latinos were split nearly evenly, favoring Kerry 50–49, and Florida Latinos (mostly being Cuban American) backed Bush, by a 54–45 margin.

My gf is Latino and she loves Obama. Not sure why though.

CL says

So, I'd say Hispanics tend to be liberal on BOTH Social and Economic issues, in addition to being turned off by the xenophobic GOP.

Hispanics is a far wide reach of people who include Californian and Texans when they were not US states but independent republics and who do not identify as LATAM heritage. I have known many since my youth, and many have done very well over they years. They are not the Social and Economic Liberals but more entrepreneur conservatives in their long family history. They have no ties to LATAM or seek changes in immigration.

I'm tired of all the immigration/illegal BS. This crap is all a lie. 2001- 2006 G.W.Bush & the Republicans deported all illegal immigrants,forced all other immigrants to self deport & secured American borders. We do not have any immigrants entering this country. Thanks, Bush & Reps. ROTFLMAO

Moderate Infidel says

It's really a frightened white racist male vs. all others issue.

All whites should be frightened. The greatest country in the world, which was created by their white ancestors for the benefit of their white children, is being given away to those too genetically unintelligent to participate in a first world civilization.

The average black IQ is 85 while the average white IQ is 100. Latinos fall in the middle of that. It makes no sense to increase the numbers of low IQ citizens but that's exactly what the US government attempts to do.

Blacks should have their own country. Latinos should have their own country. Whites should have their own country.

Racial diversity makes us all weaker. There would be far less instances of "racism" in a racially homogeneous country. Citizens would trust each other more in that racially united country. Citizens would more easily agree on working towards common goals and would not be spread too thin trying to please all other racial minority groups.

foxmannumber1 says

Racial diversity makes us all weaker. There would be far less instances of
"racism" in a racially homogeneous country. Citizens would trust each other more
in that racially united country. Citizens would more easily agree on working
towards common goals and would not be spread too thin trying to please all other
racial minority groups.

Are you crazy or wilfully ignorant? You do know the history of racially homogenous Europe? But I look at the teabaggers and birthers and wonder how can someone be that dumb. But they are and here you are.

lostand confused says

You do know the history of racially homogenous Europe

From what I recall, the Europeans conquered the world and created modern civilization, which is the greatest achievement of mankind.

They must have done something right.

foxmannumber1 says

lostand confused says

You do know the history of racially homogenous Europe

From what I recall, the Europeans conquered the world and created modern civilization, which is the greatest achievement of mankind.

They must have done something right.

China and India were mighty big before them and it looks like they are rising again. Dim witted fools who take a small segment of history and -oh wait, you must be BobH's twin-nothing will get through your racist, bigoted brain.

lostand confused says

China and India

China and India are also much more racially homogeneous than the US. They do not import millions of people who are unlike the current residents. They want their cultures to survive and not be intermixed into oblivion. The US should follow their lead.

China and India are also mostly corrupt and have billions in their poor underclass. Any modern civilizations they build are small compared to their overall population and mostly mimic the west.

foxmannumber1 says

China and India are also much more racially homogeneous than the US. They do not
import millions of people who are unlike the current residents.

Keep talking garbage. In the modern era, it is easy to just easy to read and educate yourself. But when you are talking to someone who has made up their mind and seeking to bend reality to fit their perception-well nothing is going to work. No wonder your kind ends up looking like fools and no one takes you seriously.

Sad thing is that only leaves the dems as the sane alternative-because the other side is just batsh*t crazy and proud of it.

lostand confused says

In the modern era, it is easy to just easy to read and educate yourself

Intelligence is mostly genetic. You cannot force a genetically unintelligent person to simply read a book to fix him. If you try to force it, the genetically unintelligent person will become frustrated at his lack of understanding and blame everything but himself for his failure.

It is a fact that the average black has an average IQ of 85. It is a fact that the average white has an average IQ of 100. These numbers hold true all over the world, in every culture and in every economic class. IQ is the best measurement of intelligence that the modern world has come up with so far. You will not have a productive first world society with 85 IQ citizens. It is this low IQ, when compared to whites, that cause all black run societies to fail and lag behind a similar white society.

I think it is insane to ignore reality and think everyone is equal when it is very apparent that we are not.

foxmannumber1 says

It makes no sense to increase the numbers of low IQ citizens but that's exactly what the US government attempts to do.

Is that why they let you live here?

You seem obsessed with race for reasons I can't fathom. Surely, even if you're an obsessive xenophobe there are other things you'd want to talk about aside from race. Even Hitler had other interests.

Kevin says

You seem obsessed with race for reasons I can't fathom

Race is the biggest divider and problem in the US today. If the country became 90%+ white, all the social problems we have now would simply go away or be severely reduced.

foxmannumber1 says

From what I recall, the Europeans conquered the world and created modern civilization, which is the greatest achievement of mankind.

Your memory is rather distorted by Faux News. For example, you appear to have overlooked the fact that America was founded to break away from European civilization, which was at that time dominated by the divine right of kings. Being only too familiar with European traditions such as the Thirty Years War, the Reformation, the Inquisition, burning witches at the stake (which also happened here during the colonial era), and the Crusades, the founders decided to build a new republic with no king and no official religion. The First Amendment, #1 of 10 in the Bill of Rights, specifically prohibits Congress from making any law respecting an establishment of religion, and Article VI prohibits any religious test of office. (Compare that to "the 10 commandments," of which #1 is establishment of religion.) The OP seems to think Republicans can fool Latinos into voting the way the Pope says, but Latin American countries don't all vote that way, and there is no particular reason to believe Latinos would vote that way here.

As for intelligence, it is white Americans who seem most likely to vote against their own interest, for example shifting taxes onto themselves and their children in order to increase the advantage of the top 1%. The Republican taliban campaign on deficit spending, war all over the world, and religious fanaticism hanging on for the rapture. Who would be stupid enough to vote for that?

Any rational person knows all religions are false. They are simply tools for the powers that be to control the average person.

A lot of latino's are religious.

foxmannumber1 says

Intelligence is mostly genetic. You cannot force a genetically unintelligent
person to simply read a book to fix him.

So you admit , you can't fix yourself.

foxmannumber1 says

Kevin says

You seem obsessed with race for reasons I can't fathom

Race is the biggest divider and problem in the US today. If the country became 90%+ white, all the social problems we have now would simply go away or be severely reduced.

Explain Italy, the UK, Russia, Iceland, Ireland, Germany, or...pretty much all of Europe, which has most of the social problems of the US, and just swaps some for others.

The biggest problem in the US today is the economy, plain and simple, and anyone worried about any other social issue is a moron.

robertoaribas says

foxmannumber1 says

robertoaribas says

I guess the world needs stupid racists too

Nothing stupid about whites protecting themselves from groups(blacks and latinos) who are statistically proven to commit more crime per capita than any other groups in the US.

nothing like exposing what a racist you are too...

No, racist he may well be, but he's 100% right on that one.
To deny the problems of the black and Latino communities with gangs, crime, and violence to a completely disproportionate level is to stick your hands over your ears and yell "racist racist racist" at anyone who tells the truth.

It's not a race issue. It's a CULTURAL issue. It's not our fault that the ethnicity of the black and Latino cultures (as well as Chinese, Philippino, Croatian, take your fucking pick) are so freakishly homogenous.
We Americans are ethnically diverse in comparison. The racists are most likely to be from ethnically homogenous cultures.

If you want your culture to be more respected, try forming more nuclear families rather than jailbird multi-dad single mom families. It's not helpful when 75% of black kids grow up in single parent homes. Try more education and less drugs. Just fucking TRY!
And quit blaming your problems on racism. I count a number of Latinos as good friends. But they aren't the problem. I can't see myself having anything to do with a MS13 gang member or any other "chollo."

On the original subject: I agree with the posters who say that the GOP alienates Latinos with their "get the fuck out" message they keep preaching. It wasn't right or kind, and even Latino citizens who don't want illegal immigration can't agree with the tone being used.

Quigley says

It's not a race issue. It's a CULTURAL issue. It's not our fault that the
ethnicity of the black and Latino cultures (as well as Chinese, Philippino,
Croatian, take your fucking pick) are so freakishly homogenous

Latino, Philipines are all ethnically homogenous?? Why, why don't your kind just read before opening your mouth? How many Latin countries have you even travelled to or ever been to the Phillipines?? Just read for crying out loud and talk about facts and nobody is going to yell racist-I am sure you would love living next door to jeffrey Dahmer.

Now if you are talking about high crime -yes certain areas are going to be high crime. But, that would generally track by poverty-I wouldn't move to a high crime black/latino area any more than I would move to a high crime white area.

Now if you are looking at crime rate, blacks or latinos do tend to have higher rates of crimes and even welfare. But the repubs start talking of them as though they are another species or animals. Then there is no reasonable converstaion after that.

I think this is the problem with the right. Their position is so absurd and nuts, that any reasonable discussion does not flourish. If one wanted to talk about the different crime rates by race-perfectly reasonable to wonder why there is a difference, but to start off with such and such race is xyz as foxman does-well then there is no discussion at all-it just forces anyone moderate on the issue to align with the less batsh*t crazy side.

I'm sorry, but ethnically homogenous cultures are the rule, not the exception. You can make picky distinctions between Indian tribes and features, even to point out white Castilian Latinos, but even these groups have varying cultures within themselves. Culture doesn't HAVE to be ethnic! That's what I'm ducking trying to say here! The biggest racist bastard I know is Croatian and probably the only person of any race I've actually hated. That fact that he's white is so far down the line of relevance I can hardly care. Don't get me started on Japan either. The sheer racial hell my Chamorro buddy went through trying to marry his Japanese American girlfriend was absolutely unspeakable.
Anyone who still thinks that white Americans have a monopoly on racism is an ignorant idiot.

That said, this foxnewsman is a racist and I don't like his POV.

"Racism" doesn't mean that you "hate" people of certain races.

Kevin says

"Racism" doesn't mean that you "hate" people of certain races.

This is true. Racism is a word created by liberals to end an argument that they would lose if they were forced to used facts to back up their position.

The only label worse than "racist" in the modern USA is "pedophile". Convicted murderers and rapists are excused more often and less socially ostracized than "racists".

Think of human races as breeds such as with cats and dogs. Purebred animals exhibit consistent traits without fail. A mutt will have a variety from other breeds, desirable or not. It's not "racist" to acknowledge this fact with cats or dogs.

Applying this fact to humans, blacks consistently have less intelligence than whites. Humans are not built any differently when compared to any other animal on planet earth.

foxmannumber1 says

Think of human races as breeds such as with cats and dogs. Purebred animals exhibit consistent traits without fail. A mutt will have a variety from other breeds, desirable or not. It's not "racist" to acknowledge this fact with cats or dogs.

Applying this fact to humans, blacks consistently have less intelligence than whites. Humans are not built any differently when compared to any other animal on planet earth.

Bad analogy, "purebred" dogs are a mix of many species bred specifically for certain traits and not necessarily for "intelligence". Please stop using the word "fact" because you don't know any "facts".

Moderate Infidel says

bred specifically for certain traits and not necessarily for "intelligence".

Intelligence is genetic, just like skin color or hair color. It was simply 1 example of many genetic traits.

foxmannumber1 says

Kevin says

"Racism" doesn't mean that you "hate" people of certain races.

This is true. Racism is a word created by liberals to end an argument that they would lose if they were forced to used facts to back up their position.

The only label worse than "racist" in the modern USA is "pedophile". Convicted murderers and rapists are excused more often and less socially ostracized than "racists".

Racism is a real word. It isn't hatred, just stupidity.

Racists should be ostracized. They're terrible human beings with no place in modern society.

foxmannumber1 says

Moderate Infidel says

bred specifically for certain traits and not necessarily for "intelligence".

Intelligence is genetic, just like skin color or hair color. It was simply 1 example of many genetic traits.

Genetics is only one factor in intelligence, actually. Its not like skin or hair color at all. There have been literally thousands of studies on this subject. While research is inconclusive on genetics, its completely in agreement on environmental factors.

The genetic argument for the worth of a person is silly and self contradictory. Foxman is clearly advocating eugenics, a fad popularized in the early 20th century and taken to extreme by the nazis under Adolph.
Pure breed dogs are not as consistent as you believe. Pure breed is another word for inbreed. Lots and lots of incest will get you "pure breeds" but it will also get you recessive traits expressed that can cause retardation, deformation, and seriously wierd diseases. Animals can be culled when these recessives show up in the litter. Humans aren't culled, and the horrors are on display as a warning not to hump your sister.

There are no set rules governing intelligence expression. Genetics does play a role, but isn't the only factor. Environment and learning opportunities and nutrition play larger roles.
By race, Jews are the smartest, followed by Asians and middle easterners. Caucasians, who foxman is assuming are so great, are no better than average on the average intelligence scale.
So foxman, by your logic you should be for selectively breeding Jews as the new master race? How's that fit your plans?

I don't think he's advocating for eugenics, he's just scared of people who look different from him.

dublin hillz says

There is no other way to explain this collapse other than to explain it in a way that the latinos must have been so alienated by the recent statement of republican party via xenophobia and red meat pandering towards white conservatives by being blamed for immigration and taking american jobs

The rest of the words surrounding this statement of fact, is just filler.