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Dan8267 says

zzyzzx says

I'm adding this story to my long list of reasons why we should not allow immigration.

Spoken like a true conservative. I got mine. Fuck everybody else.

This is also the reason why we shouldn't build anymore housing. I got my house, everyone else can live in a 300 sq. ft. apartment or on the street. We should also get rid of college. I got my degree, fuck everyone else. We should also get rid of marriage. I got my spouse, fuck everyone else. And shut down all retirement plans. I got my 401K, fuck everybody else.

The point is fair, we shouldnt be letting in so many foreigners and giving them a free education while US Citizens are denied because of so called diversity programs.

MsBennet says

I bet the lefties of the world are bummed these guys are Muslim and not right-wing nutters or tea partiers.

Did the elite left come out of their war room and figure out what spin to put out there on the MSNBC and NPR airwaves ? I suspect they will blame society for alienating these two brothers, and that the USA is to blame for what happened. Salon.com has egg on the face praying that the bombers were white. Well, they are "White", except they are White Al Qaeda (i.e., from or near the region of Chechnya). Exactly the types that Al Qaeda or any foreign terrorist organization would love to recruit and train on explosives, and urban warfighting.

thomaswong.1986 says

The point is fair, we shouldnt be letting in so many foreigners and giving them a free education while US Citizens are denied because of so called diversity programs.

Immigration quotas are a fair point. A completely closed border is just a dumb idea, especially in the age of Globalization.

http://alyssalindley.tumblr.com/post/48368749553/ive-met-the-boston-bombers

MsBennet says

I bet the lefties of the world are bummed these guys are Muslim and not right-wing nutters or tea partiers.

Perhaps, but we liberals are not. They are clearly terrorists and murderers. They should be tried in a fair, open court, and if convicted -- which given the evidence is damn likely -- given life imprisonment to spend regretting their crimes and serving as an example that blowing up innocents is a fucking stupid thing to do.

Of course, Islam is just what Christianity was a little while ago. The core problem is the irrationality of religion and superstition. The world would be a far better place without religion and with everyone getting an education in science and rational thought instead. When was the last time a physicist blew up innocent people?

Dan8267 says

When was the last time a physicist blew up innocent people?

They just poison with Anthrax.

MsBennet says

Dan8267 says

When was the last time a physicist blew up innocent people?

They just poison with Anthrax.

Really? Physicists are known for poisoning people with Anthrax? That's the last time I invite Neil deGrasse Tyson over for dinner!

Dan8267 says

When was the last time a physicist blew up innocent people?

I see the FedGov MiB have wiped your mind of the Black Mesa incident.

Vicente says

I see the FedGov MiB have wiped your mind of the Black Mesa incident.

I'm more of a Portal guy.

Although, Einstein was also prominently featured in the Red Alert series. I don't think he blew anyone up. He did create a weather control device though...

But since we're nerding out. Aliens Colonial Marines? Much better than the reviews. A bit of a let down, but still a good game overall.

MsBennet says

Dan8267 says

When was the last time a physicist blew up innocent people?

They just poison with Anthrax.

Really? Got proof of that?

Dan8267 says

MsBennet says

Dan8267 says

When was the last time a physicist blew up innocent people?

They just poison with Anthrax.

Really? Physicists are known for poisoning people with Anthrax? That's the last time I invite Neil deGrasse Tyson over for dinner!

He seems more like a ricin kind of guy...

From recent news:
"People who know the younger Tsarnaev described him as bright, studious and quiet, with ambitions in medicine. The older was a boxer who said he dreamed of joining the U.S. Olympic team."
Something is not clear here for sure. Way somebody as described can plot bomb in public place without any particular reason? Do they be treated or paid handsomely to do it? If police kill another brother (they anxious to do it) the real truth will be nicely covered and die with them.

This guy will no doubt get a first class suite at Gitmo, if he comes to the states for the trial.

The father of the suspects, reached in Makhachkala, Russia, by The Associated Press, has also called on his son to surrender peacefully, but reportedly warned the United States that “all hell will break loose” if he’ll killed.

"My son is a true angel," Anzor Tsarnaev told The Associated Press. "Dzhokhar is a second-year medical student in the U.S. He is such an intelligent boy. We expected him to come on holidays here."

Anzor Tsarnaev, who characterized his younger son as an intelligent and accomplished young man, told ABC News that he spoke to his sons by phone earlier this week. He said his sons reassured him, saying, "Everything is good, Daddy. Everything is very good."

"Give up. Give up. You have a bright future ahead of you,” Anzor Tsarneav said, according to ABC News. “Come home to Russia.”

He continued: "If they killed him, then all hell would break loose."

REpro says

"People who know the younger Tsarnaev described him as bright, studious and quiet, with ambitions in medicine. The older was a boxer who said he dreamed of joining the U.S. Olympic team."

I am just a poor boy though my story's seldom told. I have squandered my existence for a pocket full of mumbles such are promises.

New Renter says

Really? Got proof of that?

Sorry, he was a microbiologist.

Two doofy guys literally shut down a major US city for a day. Embarrassing.

MsBennet says

New Renter says

Really? Got proof of that?

Sorry, he was a microbiologist.

Don't worry, you're premise that rationality and education are bad things still stands.

Suspect 2 captured not due to police search, boat owner noticed blood on his boat and looked inside. Saw man covered in blood, called cops. At hospital in serious condition, crisis over.

Dan8267 says

Really? Got proof of that?

Sorry, he was a microbiologist.

Don't worry, you're premise that rationality and education are bad things still stands.

No. That wasn't it. But you can live in your own world, if you so choose.

Vicente says

Right here in this thread we have Thomas Wong peddling the idea it was Marxists.

oh... and where did i mention the recent terrorist attack was the work of the Red Army Faction, Weather Men Underground, Baader-Meinhof Gang ?

nadda...

i pointed out how the Liberals were jumping the gun ...

as posted above... here it is again...

as already shown on Pnet above ...

Liberals Are Already Blaming Boston Marathon Bombing On Conservatives

ww.rightwingnews.com/crime/liberals-are-already-blaming-boston-marathon-bombing-on-conservatives/

After national tragedies, liberals almost inevitably come out of the woodwork looking for ways to blame the whole thing on conservatives. Sadly, the Boston Marathon bombing has been no exception to that rule. Even though at present, there is absolutely nothing that ties the Boston Marathon bombing to conservatives, there are still Left-Wingers still trying to blame these attacks on the Right.

CNN’s national security analyst Peter Bergen suggested more than once that a, “right-wing extremist group” could be behind the attacks.

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews falsely claimed that, “Normally domestic terrorists, people, tend to be on the far right.”

New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof tweeted, “Explosion is a reminder that ATF needs a director. Shame on Senate Republicans for blocking apptment.”

And of course, we can’t forget Michael Moore. "2+2= "

thomaswong.1986 says

oh... and where did i mention the recent terrorist attack was the work of the Red Army Faction, Weather Men Underground, Baader-Meinhof Gang ?

For example, in this post of yours:
http://patrick.net/?p=1223866&c=952719#comment-952719

thomaswong.1986 says:
it would NOT be the first time anarchists - marxist groups planted bombs during public
events in the USA. Its been going on over the past 100 years. so you can forget trying to associate Religion to this crime.

How many bombs went off during the late 60s early 70s week in week out over the course of several years. Weatherman Underground ring a fucking bell !!

Are you an Alzheimer patient or something? Or does your keyboard diarrhea just make it impossible to keep straight what you said yesterday?

Or is this one of those cases of "see what I *meant* there was your sister is great, even though what I *wrote* is your sister likes sex with donkies". Keep fucking that chicken!

Vicente says

For example, in this post of yours:

http://patrick.net/?p=1223866&c=952719#comment-952719

thomaswong.1986 says:

it would NOT be the first time anarchists - marxist groups planted bombs during public

events in the USA. Its been going on over the past 100 years. so you can forget trying to associate Religion to this crime.

How many bombs went off during the late 60s early 70s week in week out over the course of several years. Weatherman Underground ring a fucking bell !!

Are you an Alzheimer patient or something? Or does your keyboard diarrhea just make it impossible to keep straight what you said yesterday?

Or is this one of those cases of "see what I *meant* there was your sister is great, even though what I *wrote* is your sister likes sex with donkies". Keep fucking that chicken!

I call that a US history lesson into late 19th and early 20th century discussion on bombings in the USA.. And a reminder of mass bombings in recent history.

So sorry.. you cant point to some right wing nut job on this terrorist attack.. your boy got killed by some crazy ass foreigner and you cant get over it.

thunderlips11 says

I'm guessing a lone nut rather than a terror cell, however. I think Religion is the most likely, since a tax protestor or anti-abortionist generally attack facilities directly tied to their pet peeve.

thomaswong.1986 says:

it would NOT be the first time anarchists - marxist groups planted bombs during public
events in the USA. Its been going on over the past 100 years. so you can forget trying to associate Religion to this crime.

How many bombs went off during the late 60s early 70s week in week out over the course of several years. Weatherman Underground ring a fucking bell !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Red_Scare#Anarchist_bombings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

thomaswong.1986 says

your boy got killed by some crazy ass foreigner and you cant get over it.

I have never held any other assumption than it was a terrorist.

Please point to where in this thread I claimed otherwise. You can't. Then you attempt to rewrite your own history in this thread, when we can all read otherwise. Do you have some kind of disorder with a name?

This thread is over & done.

Keep fucking that chicken!

This story is getting attention all over the world but is not on Boston.com: "Boston Marathon bombing suspect NOT read his Miranda rights". The FBI is reportedly invoking a "public safety exception." One comment on the Washington Post site is particularly good:

"The public safety exception is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to protect the police or the public from immediate danger."

There seems to be a rush to water down the rights that Americans are guaranteed....

It seems worrisome that this tragedy may be misused as an excuse to take away even more of the safeguards against government excess, as 9/11 was misused to enact the horribly misnamed and unpatriotic "Patriot Act." Better to go through the usual procedure: arrest the suspect and inform him of his rights, then give him a fair trial where he is presumed innocent until the prosecutors prove the police got the right guy, then convict and sentence him, then electrocute him or inject him full of chemicals until he's dead.

what a bunch of a bunch of bleeding liberal apologist... are you going to have a big cry when this guy is taken to trial and pleads guilty as did all the other terrorists in previous years/trials.

curious2 says

This story is getting attention all over the world but is not on Boston.com: "Boston Marathon bombing suspect NOT read his Miranda rights". The FBI is reportedly invoking a "public safety exception." One comment on the Washington Post site is particularly good:

thomaswong.1986 says

you going to have a big cry !

Somebody's never seen Dirty Harry!

It appears the brother who was killed, was actually married and had a kid. Rather strange, unless they were fanatics. I wonder if they had backing from someone else? It would seem odd if they cooked this up by themselves.

http://news.yahoo.com/mass-bomb-suspects-mom-law-sickened-attack-231854685.html

Hardly the best job, though. They tell everyone they're packing it up for the night - that they checked everywhere and "it's safe to come out". One spokesman says, "We'll get him, he's still in Massachusetts".

Then a guy goes out to water his yard, and finds him! Blood everywhere. Then a police spokesman starts spinning it... " He was one block further than the perimeter we set up". Oh, and probably Russia warned the US about the brother over a year ago, and the FBI checked it out and TURNED HIM LOOSE.
Several people should be out of a job. Seriously.
Pretty close to Keystone Cops, if you think of it. And dollar per dollar? Oh man.

A guy with a garden hose finds him, after police give the all clear, and they're all heading for donuts. TSA might want to hire these guys. Wow

Here's what I guess.

There are pictures of him with hot girls at the gym, he had plenty of friends and won many boxing contests.

I think what happened is he had the start of a relationship with an American Girl, but she left him when he started insisting she act like a Muslim. That's where his DV conviction comes in. And his slide into evil Religion.

I think there should be a parallel investigation of any clerics he spoke with or met.

we are having a "who's a stupid ass" contest in America ... everyone that ask's , "why did they do this?" is a stupid ass. Everyone that says, "shoot the murdering coward in the head right away" is not a stupid ass.

I dont care why murdering cowards murder anyone. I dont care what weapon they choose. I dont care their age or color or sex or shoe size. I dont care their motivation or excuse. I dont care if their dad left them, beat them, or raped them every hour on the hour ... all that should matter is murder was done and justice for murder is a swift death to the bad guy.

you may recall that Lord Barry's very first message was "we will find them, and we will find out why". Why? Why ask why you leftist socialist commie arab puke?

thomaswong.1986 says

(Thunderlips says): I'm guessing a lone nut rather than a terror cell, however. I think Religion is the most likely, since a tax protestor or anti-abortionist generally attack facilities directly tied to their pet peeve.

I take it you quoting me 6 posts above is a concession on your part?

Let's see, I said lone nut but it was a couple a' nuts (blood relation), and correctly guessed they were not involved as part of any organized group. I said the attack was motivated by religion and/or right-wing ideals, which it was. Nothing to do with Weathermen, Bob Dylan, Emma Goldman, or the FAI.

I'll give my prediction 2/3 of a "Ding".

Bap33 says

I dont care why murdering cowards murder anyone.

"Know your enemy".

Bap33 says

we are having a "who's a stupid ass" contest in America ... everyone that ask's
, "why did they do this?" is a stupid ass

Not really. Why is very important here. Were they acting alone or is this part of a bigger conspiracy involving a larger group. I for one would like to know who else was involved and are they some sort of jihadist group??

When ever i hear a terrorist attack my mind is smart enough to say to me..
muslims ! My mind does that because of its high PROBABILITY being a muslim. I think human brains are very good at doing "statistical" analysis based on recent terrorist attacks of past three decades.

jkaldi says

When ever i hear a terrorist attack my mind is smart enough to say to me..
muslims ! My mind does that because of its high PROBABILITY being a muslim. I think human brains are very good at doing "statistical" analysis based on recent terrorist attacks of past three decades.

Yeah, but there are a billion+ Muslims. It is who and how to stop them. When they attacked us on 9/11 Bushie's response made us a joke. The guy who attacked us lived and kept taunting us, while we went and invaded the wrong country-for what??

Like him or not, Obama restored some of our lost standing by getting Bin Laden. he was the only one willing to go to Pakistan to finish the job. If you can't get the guy who not only attacked you, but openly taunts you after the fact-what use is all that military power. Oh and that no bid military contract winner Halliburton is now based out of Dubai-another Muslim country.

yea .. and so waterboarding must be the plan to get the info?? of are you stupid ass enough to think the truth just rolls out of a murdering coward?

Lord Barry "got OBL" .. sure he did .... seen a body? But, lets pretend it went down like the movie plot suggested, than the info used was gathered by waterbording and/or by force from questioning bad guys at Gitmo..... ummm .. Lorb Barry promised the liberal pukes, like that freak from Code Pink, that he would be closing Gitmo ... hmmm ... the liberal mind is a horrid center of filth.

Sure would be interesting if Ben-Gauzy was looked into like Boston was. And Fort Hood. Yea ..... stupid assfinding game is underway.

Bap33 says

we are having a "who's a stupid ass" contest in America ... everyone that ask's , "why did they do this?" is a stupid ass. Everyone that says, "shoot the murdering coward in the head right away" is not a stupid ass.

Why Tsarnaev committed the act is irrelevant to his punishment. As for his sentence, all that matters is that he clearly premeditated and intentionally set off the bombs and killed others. That's going to be pretty easy for the prosecution to establish.

However, why Tsarnaev and his brother committed the act most certainly is an important question to answer accurately in order to prevent such acts from being committed again. Understanding why something happens is always important for gaining wisdom.

As for giving Tsarnaev the death penalty, that would be a mistake on many levels. First, he will endure far more regret spending the rest of his life (60+ years) behind bars with no hope of getting out. Kill him and he dies happily expecting 72 virgins, something his girlfriend couldn't be for him.

Second, killing Tsarnaev will elevate him to the level of a martyr. Keeping him locked up will show him for what he really is, a criminal and nothing more.

Third, keeping Tsarnaev alive opens up the possibility that he will regret his actions so much that he becomes a vocal opponent of Jihad like a certain former gang member.

curious2 says

This story is getting attention all over the world but is not on Boston.com: "Boston Marathon bombing suspect NOT read his Miranda rights". The FBI is reportedly invoking a "public safety exception."

I think the Miranda brouhaha is much ado about nothing. The only possible consequence of not Mirandizing Tsarnaev is that his statements post-arrest might not be admissible in his prosecution.

But since there is plenty of other evidence that he is totally guilty of aggravated, premeditated murder it won't make any difference if those statements can't be used. Therefore there is no problem with skipping Miranda if it will help other investigations; that's a choice the government can make.

bdrasin says

The only possible consequence of not Mirandizing Tsarnaev is that his statements post-arrest might not be admissible in his prosecution.

On that we disagree. Not respecting the principles embodied by the Miranda rights affects who we, as a society are, far more than it affects this particular case. This is exactly what determines the characteristics of our nation. Do we uphold our principles when they are inconvenient? If we do not, then the terrorists win because they demonstrate that our way of life doesn't work as we abandon that very way of life.

The true measure of whether a nation values truth, liberty, and justice is whether or not it upholds those values precisely when they are least convenient. In the long run, a society that upholds these values will be stronger and happier than one that doesn't.