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Bap33 says

(1) how do you plan to extract the info? (2) How are you to be sure it is honest, or even based on reality?

Put him in jail for life. Eventually regret will set in. Then give him a chance at redemption, not a chance at freedom, but a chance at a better jail experience (more outdoor time, more sport time, etc).

We'll know whether or not it's honest based on the content.

There have been plenty of cases of people changing their lives in jail.

Bap33 says

I dont care why murdering cowards murder anyone. I dont care what weapon they choose. I dont care their age or color or sex or shoe size. I dont care their motivation or excuse.

The whole purpose of the "Why" is not to placate the bleeding hearts. It's so that the experts at Quantico FBI Headquarters could gather more intel & personality profiles of potential lone wolf operative types. Realize this, the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, has been studied in large detail, thanks to the Feds apprehending him alive. If you've noticed, no one's been able to replicate the 17 year reign of terror like Kaczynski's since his time out in the woods.

FBI's most experienced and successful personnel have said repeatedly that the torture used during the W administration did not help at all, and in fact was counterproductive. Successful interrogators require the three things that were used during the interrogation of Saddam Hussein: a quiet room, sufficient resources, and the time necessary to become the subject's best (and possibly only) friend. Faux News try to spin that into being soft on crime or terrorists or whatever, but in reality Saddam Hussein got executed - by Bop69's preferred method, hanging. Sadistic torture seems to excite repressed Republicans, but truly successful interrogations gather accurate data and develop useful information.

Yeah, but torture is so much fun.

curious2 says

FBI's most experienced and successful personnel have said repeatedly that the torture used during the W administration did not help at all, and in fact was counterproductive

Panetta admits that CIA DID use intelligence from water-boarding to capture bin Laden

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272860/Defense-Secretary-Panetta-admits-CIA-used-information-waterboarding-capture-Osama-Bin-Laden.html

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said that some of the information that was used to locate and kill Osama bin Laden was attained using torture.

The admission comes after months of speculation about the role that waterboarding plays in CIA interrogations following its graphic depiction in the Oscar-nominated film Zero Dark Thirty.

'In order to put the puzzle of intelligence together that led us to Bin Laden, there were a lot of pieces out there that were a part of that puzzle. Yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time, interrogation tactics that were used,’ Panetta said Sunday during an appearance on Meet The Press.

CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cia-confirms-waterboarding-911-mastermind-led-info-aborted-911-style-attack-los-angeles

CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.

Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, “Soon, you will know.”

According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”

Dan8267 says

We'll know whether or not it's honest based on the content.

for that to be the case, then you are asking questions you know the answers to.

robertoaribas says

there is a reason the israelis don't torture terrorists,

if we would follow all of the anti-terror and anti-illegal immigrant systems used by isreal, then I would conceed to follow their info gathering system too.

robertoaribas says

there is a reason the israelis don't torture terrorists,

got to hand it to the Mossad.. they dont go around telling people what and how they do things.

robertoaribas says

the question, or at least one question, should be: is it the most effective way? most studies show no.

that question was answered, we have our methods... heck they are Muslim.. making them stand naked in front of women is considered torture.

Sounds like you want to have a debate in the teachers lounge while your enemies are hatching their plots.

thomaswong.1986 says

Panetta admits that CIA DID use intelligence from water-boarding to capture bin Laden....

That comment and the linked sources illustrate how, even as the Internet has enabled people to communicate more, it has also enabled people to silo themselves more. The two sources that you cited are a "conservative" British tabloid and an American self-styled "conservative" website. Both omitted what Panetta said next, "we could have gotten bin Laden without that." These "conservative" sites are part of the divide & misrule game: they amplify polarization by presenting only what data their target audience will want to hear, so that people feel they have less in common with each other and then they mistrust each other more. Advocating torture, and spinning news reports to support it, are not really "conservative" at all, but they are consistent with the increasing polarization that has reduced the words "conservative" and "liberal" to nearly unintelligible labels for ideologically incoherent patronage networks.

Meanwhile, "60 Minutes" presented this evening an outstanding group of reports related to this week's events in Boston. Dan might especially like this excerpt, about how the surviving suspect was finally captured:

The 20-block search lasted 15 hours. And then Davis announced that they had lost the suspect.

Ed Davis: He said he was dying for a cigarette, he had to go outside to have his cigarette. And he saw the blood on the boat. And so he peered in after climbing a ladder. And he told me that he saw a body in there with blood on it."

In other words, keeping people inside and having police search did not result in the capture; allowing people to go outside led to the information that resulted in the arrest.

WTF Bap33,
In which book does it say arab are the only muslims?

curious2 says

Both omitted what Panetta said next, "we could have gotten bin Laden without that."

and you left out two important words... from Panetta... "I Think"...
and that isnt " I am sure" or "I am confident" ... we could have gotten bin Laden without that. His words were not a sure fact that OBL would have been caught. He is speculating.

Heck, if you dont need 'enhanced techniques' or you need them, i doesn't bother me. But it did work and they gave up all the information.

Ex-CIA chief defends waterboarding of al Qaeda leader

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57422476/ex-cia-chief-defends-waterboarding-of-al-qaeda-leader/

Rodriguez says everything his interrogators did to top-level terrorists like Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah was legal and effective. "We made some al Qaeda terrorists with American blood on their hands uncomfortable for a few days," he tells Stahl. "I am very secure in what we did and am very confident that what we did saved American lives," says Rodriguez, who has written a book on the subject called "Hard Measures."

Pressed by Stahl about charges that Zubaydah, who was waterboarded and sleep deprived, gave false information that wasted U.S. resources, Rodriguez replies, "Bull****!, He gave us a roadmap that allowed us to capture a bunch of al Qaeda senior leaders," says the ex-spy.

Rodriguez says the interrogation program, which also included stress positions, nudity and "insult slaps," was "about instilling a sense of hopelessness...despair...so that he [the detainee] would conclude on his own that he was better off cooperating with us." He says that even Khalid Sheik Mohammed, whom he termed "the toughest detainee we had," eventually gave up information.

curious2 says

Advocating torture, and spinning news reports to support it, are not really "conservative" at all, but they are consistent with the increasing polarization that has reduced the words "conservative" and "liberal" to nearly unintelligible labels for ideologically incoherent patronage networks.

No.. some of us dont have our tongue up Osama's ass like others and calling him Daddy!

Bap33 says

robertoaribas says

there is a reason the israelis don't torture terrorists,

if we would follow all of the anti-terror and anti-illegal immigrant systems used by isreal, then I would conceed to follow their info gathering system too.

what roberto fails to mention is left wing loonies have prevented the Mossad from using any method the courts may call torture from being used. it was not one of choice on their part.

curious2 says

In other words, keeping people inside and having police search did not result in the capture; allowing people to go outside led to the information that resulted in the arrest.

this is Lefty Boston your talking about.. not Dallas, Texas.

thomaswong.1986 says

not Dallas, Texas.

Almost got mugged in downtown Dallas last time I was there...Deep Ellum, 1988.

JodyChunder says

Almost got mugged in downtown Dallas last time I was there...Deep Ellum, 1988.

LOL! perhaps in Dallas, you can own a gun.. not likely you can do anything in Boston.

Where is Uncle Joes... Big Ass Shot gun!

Anyway, everyone is rushing to judgment - out to get Boston Police, FBI, Tea Party, etc etc etc.

ZoabKhan says

WTF Bap33,
In which book does it say arab are the only muslims?

the fable wrote by their wanna-be-Jesus arab says so. It says, in a very plain way, that blood arabs are true muslams, and non-arabs that claim to be converted and act and live as muslams will be allowed to live, be treated as slaves, and have no right to life. No right to life, is almost an exact translation, by the way. The fabels of mohamad are available in english on line.

Luie Farakan knows he is a second class muslam too, that is why he stays in the usa where beng black has more power and makes more money, than being a second class muslam in any arab land.

thomaswong.1986 says

left wing loonies have prevented the Mossad from using any method the courts may call torture from being used.

Has Israel not signed the Geneva Conventions?

finehoe says

thomaswong.1986 says

left wing loonies have prevented the Mossad from using any method the courts may call torture from being used.

Has Israel not signed the Geneva Conventions?

the G Con only covers uniformed regulars, and specificly allows the execution of gorillias. In the eyes of warriors, the arab murderers are not covered by any portion of the G Con.

robertoaribas says

hey kind of like the old testament? about how the israelites killed off all
the people that was in the land god promised to them?

nope, not like the OT in any regard. The arab fable is more like the Joe Smith (mormon) fable ... it's a "me too" for Jesus, salvation, and the personage of God.... both have one person writing each one in a single life span. The OT is a collection of ancient records and stories from thousands of stories and hundreds or writers of thousands of years. Pretty cool, aint it?

Buddah may be how God revealed himself to the yellow man, maybe?

So the good old US oF A helped a family have a chance in America because they were political refuges, and they lived off welfare for years, and even when the son grew up and was able-bodied, he didn't have *time* to work, didn't want to get his hands dirty (or too busy plotting), so he had his wife work full-time and lived off her, sold and used drugs, dissed their college completely (one with scholarship) and failed (both boys), shoplifted (mother), committed murder and maiming of innocent people including children (the cowardly way), including shooting a cop FIVE times while he was sitting in his car, trying to kill more cops, hijacking a car, etc.

Then years after being here the husband and wife go back to their land and leave their teenage son (I guess they were no longer refuges *?* - ) when they figured out being in the US wasn't all that easy.

Wow, could these people sink any lower in anyone's eyes. What a bunch of scum. What ignorant, stupid people.

The older son told someone the Bible is a cheap copy of the Quran. Yeah, right, dummy. Bible came before the Quran by, oh, 500 years. Stupid, ignorant, crazy. He probably never read the Quran, just gets sound bites from YouTube.

Stupid.

MsBennet says

Stupid, ignorant, crazy.

Pace yourself, now...

MsBennet says

Wow, could these people sink any lower in anyone's eyes.

The Mom allegedly is hesitant to return to the USA due to some kind of outstanding shoplifting charge. Bail jumper!

Tamerlan was married to this chick also with a shoplifting record:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314214/Katherine-Russell-wife-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-arrested-shoplifting.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

REALITY TV SHOW!

"There is no firm or persuasive evidence that the widespread use of harsh interrogation techniques by U.S. forces produced significant information of value. There is substantial evidence that much of the information adduced … was not useful or reliable."

http://detaineetaskforce.org/newsroom/multimedia/

http://www.youtube.com/embed/W7ZO9hSG0x0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The nutty Florida Atlantic University professor who suggested the Sandy Hook school massacre was staged is at it again, blogging that the Boston Marathon bombing was some sort of government drillRead more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/#ixzz2RUlfZArd

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/

Holy crap, what a dipshit! "The event closely resembles a mass casualty drill" - gee, could that possibly be because MASS CASUALTY DRILLS are designed to look like REAL MASS CASUALTY EVENTS? Prof. Tracy should thank his lucky stars for tenure...

Bigbubbabear says

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/

That says it all. No explanation needed.

upisdown says

That says it all. No explanation needed.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/IFo3x_UgQ80&feature=youtube_gdata_player

OMG! That is hysterical!

What to do with a terrorist's body after he's dead? The people of Massachusetts don't want it and cemeteries are refusing it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/06/us-usa-explosions-boston-burial-idUSBRE9450O720130506

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2013/05/06/marathon-bomb-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-body-remains-limbo-worcester-funeral-home/qXP6CS0Ia0idEHvC2UgcvK/story.html

Isn't the body the problem of the family?

Too bad Islam doesn't allow cremation.

Vicente says

Isn't the body the problem of the family?

Too bad Islam doesn't allow cremation.

If Islam is the religion of peace then he can't be a muslim so I say fry him up.

Bigbubbabear says

The nutty Florida Atlantic University professor who suggested the Sandy Hook school massacre was staged is at it again, blogging that the Boston Marathon bombing was some sort of government drillRead more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/#ixzz2RUlfZArd

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/controversial-professor-who-denied-sandy-hook-shooting-now-questions-boston/

So are you now trying to disprove your own theory?

Bigbubbabear:

Here, look at this video of an insane professor. He believes what I believe. I must be right.

Dan8267 says

What to do with a terrorist's body after he's dead? The people of Massachusetts don't want it and cemeteries are refusing it.

Well, City of Cambridge has officially refused to bury his body.

And though I live in MA and I'm a bit far from the action scene, if my town were to attempt to bury him, I'd also file a complaint with town hall.

Dan8267 says

Then give him a chance at redemption, not a chance at freedom, but a chance at a better jail experience (more outdoor time, more sport time, etc).

Its sure has done wonders with the Drug gangs still operating their smuggling empire even behind bars.