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Vicente says

thomaswong.1986 says

are you expecting the IRA, Red Brigade, or Baader-Meinhof Gang to send you note ?

God, you really are Rip Van Winkle, waking up from 1986.

I don't know. It just seems like more often than not, there's a video dropped to media with a "see what you made us do!" message.

The RED BRIGADE! Wow Tom, you really know how to bring back one's childhood. Those guys were the talk of the town when I was a kid, kidnapping a NATO general and then, the army using a psychic to hone in on his location. They were the inspiration for 'The Men Who Stare At Goats' with Clooney & Bridges.

Now today after reporting all yesterday,
"There were no other bombs found."

Every network was reporting that they found unexploded bombs, now they say they did not. How does that mix up happen?
The same way they reported Bin Laden was dead after the bunker buster blast in a cave in Fallujah, just weeks after the start of the Afghan conflict.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

Hospital reports are that they are removing ball bearings from the victims, leading to the belief that the bombs, though reported to be crude, were packed with the bearings and other shrapnel.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/tygrrrr-express/2013/apr/15/bolo-be-look-out-darker-skinned-male-issued/

Amateurs! Someone who really wanted to do damage would have packed it with nails instead of ball bearings.

dodgerfanjohn says

Yeah, a society of brainwashed zombies with government controlled/monitored speech patterns is clearly preferable to self determination of religious views.

I was going to respond, but Dan said pretty much all of it already.

Good people do good things. Bad people do bad things. To get good people to do bad things you need religion.

I'm guessing a lone nut rather than a terror cell, however. I think Religion is the most likely, since a tax protestor or anti-abortionist generally attack facilities directly tied to their pet peeve.

upisdown says

Dan8267 says

I stand corrected. But he's still just a suspect. Still too soon for

conclusions. Unfortunately, the article doesn't say why he's a suspect.

Yes there was a Saudi national at the finish line that was questioned, but he was let go as a non-suspect. The right wing media sites are running the BS story that you refer to, and have now progressed on to a "dark skinned person in a black sweatshirt". Go figure

I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.

"This will be a worldwide investigation," said Rick DesLauriers, head of the FBI's Boston office.

"We will go to the ends of the Earth to identify the subject or subjects responsible for this despicable crime," he added. "We are using full capacities of the FBI, to its fullest worldwide extent."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

zzyzzx says

Amateurs! Someone who really wanted to do damage would have packed it with nails instead of ball bearings.

Are you some sort of mad bomber yourself?

"One of the explosives contained shards of metal and ball bearings, and another contained nails, the person said."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/boston-bombs-pressure-cookers_n_3093288.html

Vicente says

Are you some sort of mad bomber yourself?

No. But the whole ball bearings thing makes me wonder since it's way easier to buy nails than it is to buy ball bearings. Ball bearings are practically a mail order only item.

IDDQD says

Translation: "It must be rednecks, because camelfuckers are sooo much more sophisticated."

I don't know. I'm thinking that ball bearings probably are easier to buy in third world countries. That's because people there actually replace and repack them where as here one normally does not replace ball bearings or if so, they usually buy them ad part of a package retainer:

Some hardware stores carry loose ball bearings in small quantities, but for things like my bicycle, I have to buy them through the mail just to get them loose, in bags.

dodgerfanjohn says

thunderlips11 says

Imagine no religion.

Yeah, a society of brainwashed zombies with government controlled/monitored speech patterns is clearly preferable to self determination of religious views.

"self determination of religious views". Now that is funny!

rooemoore says

"self determination of religious views". Now that is funny!

Yeah, RM, sure is funny how so many people are 'lucky' to have been raised in the "One True Religion". Funny how so many Baptists end up with Baptist kids and not buddhist, muslim, jewish, catholic, etc. children; ditto for Mormons, Catholics, etc.

It looks more and more like a lone nut to me. Being Patriots Day, which is not generally known outside New England, much less outside the US, makes me think "Homegrown". We shall see what we shall see!

thunderlips11 says

I'm guessing a lone nut rather than a terror cell, however. I think Religion is the most likely, since a tax protestor or anti-abortionist generally attack facilities directly tied to their pet peeve.

it would NOT be the first time anarchists - marxist groups planted bombs during public
events in the USA. Its been going on over the past 100 years. so you can forget trying to associate Religion to this crime.

How many bombs went off during the late 60s early 70s week in week out over the course of several years. Weatherman Underground ring a fucking bell !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Red_Scare#Anarchist_bombings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

AP: Explosives Used in Bombings Contained in ‘Pressure Cookers’ and Placed in Duffel Bags — Same Type Described in How-To Section of Al-Qaeda Mag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naser_Jason_Abdo

At Abdo's hotel room, Killeen police found a handgun and the ingredients for an explosive device, including gunpowder, shrapnel and pressure cookers.[7] Also in the room was an article entitled, "Make a bomb in the kitchen of your Mom," from Inspire magazine, the English-language publication of Al Qaeda.[14] According to Daniel Pipes of The Washington Times, the "materials in Pfc. Abdo’s possession corresponded precisely to the “ingredients” listed in the Inspire magazine article on bomb-making." Abdo had bought a uniform with Fort Hood patches from a military surplus store to fit in with local soldiers.[15]

zzyzzx says

I don't know. I'm thinking that ball bearings probably are easier to buy in third world countries.

You can buy BB's in large cartons. Saw CNN NewsFlash mentioned BB's from FBI press conference. Unfortunately stream ended no specifics yet. Y'all maybe went too literally on some medical person's glance at an X-Ray.

Enough about bombs & bombers, some words from Fred Rogers:

http://youtu.be/zP-T31Dw0jw

And related:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/us/boston-heroes/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Foreign terrorist , Domestic terrorist, Lone wolf, Right wing extremists, I guess any of these could be used in a False Flag. Of course that has/would never happen.

Nothing new about killing. We've damn good at it since Cain & Able.

thomaswong.1986 says

At Abdo's hotel room, Killeen police found a handgun and the ingredients for an explosive device, including gunpowder, shrapnel and pressure cookers.[7]

If you are going to post references to OLD planned attacks where the accused are already convicted and in jail, would you please make clear that this is NOT about a suspect in the current attack?

Seems like we need background checks for pressure cookers.

CaptainShuddup says

Seems like we need background checks for pressure cookers.

In a country where I have to be stripped searched to get on a commercial airplane, you have to pass a background check to get a gun. You don't want terrorists getting guns, do you?

REpro says

For me an explosion was to turning attention of public and police to do something else.

I wonder if the bomber(s) had planned something else and then chickened out. Maybe a bank robbery, or similar robbery, or maybe something like the Oslo bombing. With no explanation and no other shoe dropping, it seems like only half a plan occurred. Still it's a complete tragedy for the families of the deceased, and a horrible day for the severely injured. Congratulations though to the 78yo runner who, after being knocked down by an explosion, got up and walked across the finish line and another half mile back to his hotel.

I just heard a senator was sent a letter with Ricin. Is that a coincidence?

Dan8267 says

You don't want terrorists getting guns, do you?

I don't want terrorists getting pressure cookers, forks, rope, pottery ware, glass bottles, sports equipment, tools, hardware, a car, or any other object someone could use to inflict pain on other human beings. But I would dread a word that tried to legislate that a reality, even more.

CaptainShuddup says

I don't want terrorists getting...glass bottles....

Notice our TSA workers were irradiating airline passengers to produce naked electronic images, and confiscating nail clippers, and you can't even bring a plastic bottle of water or an ordinary tube of toothpaste with you anymore, but Jihadis can buy glass bottles at the Duty Free Stores without even paying sales tax. Security theater is not security, just as "health insurance" is not health care, and "health care" is not health. Those who trade away liberty in exchange for security end up with neither, as any "secure" prison facility can illustrate vividly.

CaptainShuddup says

But I would dread a word that tried to legislate that a reality, even more.

And I would be ok with that if
- I didn't have to be rape scanned at the airport or felt up by TSA agents.
- There were no "no fly" lists.
- I didn't have to drive ten miles during working hours to wait in line at some local government bureaucracy to prove that I'm not a terrorist before opening a water utility account.
- None of our rights, including due process, were ever suspended or revoked in the name of fighting terrorism.

Yep, I agree that the society that is willing to trade liberty for security will get and deserve neither. But if there is anything the government should regulate and keep tabs on for the sake of "security", it would be weapons, not our electricity usage (smart meters), Internet usage, personal bank accounts, our purchases, our medical records, and all the other things government does spy on.

Dan8267 says

- I didn't have to drive ten miles during working hours to wait in line at some local government bureaucracy to prove that I'm not a terrorist before opening a water utility account.

What are you referring to here, Dan? Google was no help.

curious2 says

and you can't even bring a plastic bottle of water or an ordinary tube of toothpaste with you anymore, but Jihadis can buy glass bottles at the Duty Free Stores without even paying sales tax.

they dont sell c4 explosives inside toothpaste package at the duty free shops.. if they did
im sure that too would have been banned. do you get this !

CaptainShuddup says

Seems like we need background checks for pressure cookers.

not to mention registration and serial numbers.

So it turns out the Saudi man had nothing to do with the bombing. He was tackled by others and questioned by the police because he was running away from the explosion. Gee, imagine someone running away from an explosion... how odd. Do you think any of this would have happened to him if he were white?

justme says

Dan8267 says

- I didn't have to drive ten miles during working hours to wait in line at some local government bureaucracy to prove that I'm not a terrorist before opening a water utility account.

What are you referring to here, Dan? Google was no help.

When I moved into a new rental house, I had to open a water utility account in my name. This should be a simple phone call or website task, but I had to physically go to a government shop during their business hours (my work hours) and prove to them who I was and let them copy my driver's license and social security card.

When I asked why I had to do all this, the answer they gave was that the law requires them to do this because of terrorism.

I just barely refrained myself from telling them that my roommate was Osama bin Laden, but he prefers to keep the utilities in my name, the moocher. I wonder what those idiots would have done if I said that.

Homeboy says

So it turns out the Saudi man had nothing to do with the bombing. He was tackled by others and questioned by the police because he was running away from the explosion. Gee, imagine someone running away from an explosion... how odd. Do you think any of this would have happened to him if he were white?

He's lucky George Zimmerman wasn't there.

Dan8267 says

When I asked why I had to do all this, the answer they gave was that the law requires them to do this because of terrorism.

utility bills serve as a form of ID, actually.

why, dunno, but they do!

Dan8267 says

When I asked why I had to do all this, the answer they gave was that the law requires them to do this because of terrorism.

Florida.. you of all people should know Florida was the main focus for cocaine drop offs from South America where number of cartels would buy up Florida property as safe houses as part of their smuggling route.

no not Terrorism. but Cocaine trafficking.

Dan8267 says

I just barely refrained myself from telling them that my roommate was Osama bin Laden, but he prefers to keep the utilities in my name, the moocher. I wonder what those idiots would have done if I said that.

or how about .... "Ochoa"

Homeboy says

Do you think any of this would have happened to him if he were white?

Sure it would, it's not like there's NOT any reason to think a White guy would never do something like this. The Atlanta Olympics bomber, and the Oklahoma City bomber were both white after all.

Dan8267 says

I wonder what those idiots would have done if I said that.

Then you would have been the "guy", in that Pakistan compound that Obama had snuffed, defaced, then dropped in the Ocean. Osama died early on in the Afghan conflict.

zzyzzx says

No. But the whole ball bearings thing makes me wonder since it's way easier
to buy nails than it is to buy ball bearings. Ball bearings are practically a
mail order only item.

No they aren't because of the anonaminity of mail order, and some box stores do carry them but in small amounts because they are commonly used to make pipe bombs. They are available in many different sizes, but when they get scanned through you'll get a visit from Law enforement if you buy too many, like to make a large lazy-susan.

thomaswong.1986 says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Red_Scare#Anarchist_bombings

All of these bombings targeted politicians, not the general public. Why on Earth would Anarchists or Socialists bomb the very people they want to recruit?

The last time a bomb went off at a major US athletic event, it was the anti-abortionist/anti-homosexual Eric Rudolph, a far-right nutjob and a hero to certain kooks. Boston has plenty of religious nutjobs of all stripes.

More on right wing bombings and murders here:
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/01/nation/na-abortion-violence1

I can't think of a real bombing by lefties in decades, and not one against the general public. I think the last one was MOVE in Philly, and actually, the bomb was dropped on them.

thunderlips11 says

All of these bombings targeted politicians, not the general public. Why on Earth would Anarchists or Socialists bomb the very people they want to recruit?

are you an apologist for the left..or just in denial ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

February 16: A bomb is detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department,

March 6 – WUO members Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins are killed in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion,[2][8] when a nailbomb they were constructing detonates. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.

March 30 – Chicago police discover a WUO "bomb factory" on Chicago’s north side.

April 1 - Based on a tip Chicago Police find 59 sticks of dynamite, ammunition, and nitro glyerine in an apartment traced to WUO members.[12] The discover of the WUO weapons cache ends WUO activity in this city.

noted... Weatherman had bomb factories in middle of apartment complex, where people lived... no concern over anyone.

June 6 – In a letter, the WUO claims credit for bombing of the San Francisco Hall of Justice,

July 28 - Bank of America HQ in NYC is bombed around 3:50 AM. WUO claims responsibility.

October 8 - Bombing of Marin County courthouse.

October 11 - A Courthouse in Long Island City, NY is bombed. An estimated 8 to 10 sticks of dynamite are used.

noted : public building (City Hall, Courts, Banks, Parks, Businesses) where everyday people meet to do business and their daily affairs. Bombers walking around dozen sticks of dynamite ready to explode.

Can you even compare some anti-abortionist violence to the mass bombings and killings committed by the left wing terrorist week after week year in year out.

Do you know what it is to even have bomb scares/drills ?

May 19th Communist Organization

M19CO committed the acts listed below. From 1982 to 1985 it committed a series of bombings, including bombings of the National War College, the Washington Navy Yard Computing Center, the Israeli Aircraft Industries Building, New York City's South African consulate, the Washington Navy Yard Officers' Club, New York City's Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, and the United States Capitol Building. Three officers were killed during the Brinks Robbery, but no one was injured or killed in their bombings.[5] Almost all the M19CO members were all convicted in a US Court of Law for these offenses, but Elizabeth Ann Duke remains at large.

In 1981 Weather Underground members Kathy Boudin, Judith Alice Clark, and David Gilbert, together with several members of the Black Liberation Army, participated in a robbery of a Brinks armored car at the Nanuet Mall, near Nyack, New York. Upon her arrest Boudin was identified as a member of the May 19 Communist Organization. Three officers were killed.

Jan. 28, 1983, M19CO bombed the federal building on Staten Island, N.Y.

April 25, 1983, they were responsible for a bombing at the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C.

November 7th, 1983 US Senate Bombing

August 18, 1983 bombed Washington Navy Yard Computer Center

April 5, 1984 Bombed the Israeli Aircraft Industries Building

April 20, 1984 bombing at the Washington Navy Yard Officers Club

On November 3, 1984, two members of the M19CO, Susan Rosenberg and Timothy Blunk, were arrested at a mini-warehouse they had rented in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. Police recovered more than 100 blasting caps, nearly 200 sticks of dynamite, more than 100 cartridges of gel explosive, and 24 bags of blasting agent from the warehouse.

September 26, 1984 bombed the South African consulate

The M19CO alliance’s last bombing was on February 23, 1985, at the Policemen’s Benevolent Association in New York City.

By May 23, 1985 all members of the group had been arrested, with the exception of Elizabeth Duke, who remains a fugitive. At a 1986 trial, group members Laura Whitehorn, Timothy Blunk, Alan Berkman, Susan Rosenberg, Marilyn Buck and Linda Evans were tried and convicted of multiple counts of domestic terrorism in the Resistance Conspiracy case. The Black Liberation Army members; including Jeral Wayne Williams (aka Mutulu Shakur), Donald Weems (aka Kuwasi Balagoon), Samuel Smith, Nathaniel Burns (aka Sekou Odinga), Cecilio "Chui" Ferguson, Samuel Brown (aka Solomon Bouines) were also all eventually captured by 1986 and sentenced to long prison terms.