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CaptainShuddup says

Bush won the personality contest, so get over it...

I just also saw aliens from mars land in a field. I am seriously not making this up...

BradAnderson says

Clinton didn't become popular until Bush started mucking things up around 2006. During the 2000 election Clinton was a pariah, so Gore and the other Dems locked him in box and sunk him to the bottom of the ocean for the next few years. We are now seeing the same basic timeline of events happen again with Bush and Obama's waning popularity.

Not exactly. First, lame duck presidents always lose popularity, and former presidents always gain popularity. Obama is doing much better in the polls than Bush did at the same point in his presidency. The only way to fairly compare two presidents in the polls is to take the poll numbers they had WHEN they were president, at the same point in each one's term.

Second, I don't remember things happening at all the way you remember them. Bush started "mucking things up" almost immediately in his first term. He undoubtedly wouldn't have been re-elected if 9-11 hadn't happened, and if the democrats hadn't run a relatively weak candidate against him.

zzyzzx says

Sure Bush2 sucked, but Obama does make Bush2 look good, since those were the good old days of lower unemployment.

The unemployment rate at the end of Bush's term was 7.3%. Good old days? Gotta love that selective memory of yours.

Look at the chart. See the huge spike in unemployment? When did it start? How can you blame that on Obama? It's clear that Bush started a huge increase in unemployment, which Obama was able to reverse during his first year in office, and it has steadily declined since then. You don't seriously think that Obama had the power to instantly employ millions of people on his first day in office, do you?

Enjoy Your Hope and Change says

lostand confused says

Fascinating turn of events. I read the comments in the huffpost and looks like the extreme left is twisting itself into a pretzel trying to make Snowden look like a criminal/traitor.

It's almost painful to watch.

John Boehner is the extreme left?

Call it Crazy says

We are in year 5 of your saviour!!! How many MORE years are you going to give Obama a pass and not hold HIM accountable for not improving multiple issues???

You know when someone criticizes Bush, and your response is "Obama is your hero", or "Obama is your savior"? That's called an ad hominem attack. Your response has nothing to do with the issue.

"Bush sucks"
"Oh yeah? Well you like Obama"

Non sequitur. Does not compute.

Democrat or Republican, it doesn't matter, they are all sculpted from the same bullshit.

Also, citing the governments crooked numbers is irony at best.

Homeboy says

The unemployment rate at the end of Bush's term was 7.3%. Good old days? Gotta love that selective memory of yours.

That chart is rather meaningless seeing as how the recession started at the end of Bush's Presidency. The unemployment rate would have been just as low, if not lower had GW still been in power.

I bet this girl would poll better than Obama right about now.

(TPB Stirring the pot)

I bet protozoa would be more popular than bush about now...

As a whole biomass, or an individual protozoan?

Well, we're comparing one with one so I reckon it'd be one. Have to gte out the electron microscope so all could see.

zzyzzx says

omeboy says

I'm trying to figure out if you are dishonest or just stupid. I already posted a chart of unemployment which clearly shows the rate started going up in 2007, WHEN BUSH WAS PRESIDENT, then began to spike in 2008, and continuing up through part of Obama's FIRST YEAR IN OFFICE, at which point it REVERSED AND BEGAN GOING DOWN AGAIN. I asked you how you could possibly blame this on Obama, when the causes of the unemployment problem clearly began on Bush's watch. And your only response is to disingenuously post some bullshit graphics that ignore the reality I presented to you? Your charts look like homemade garbage, by the way. The lettering isn't straight and the diagonal lines are pixelated. I wonder where you got those graphics, because they look like something put together in Microsoft Paint by an idiot.

By your warped logic, it would be like me owning a car for 8 years, wrecking the car in the 8th year, then selling it to you, then saying it's your fault because I drove a pristine car for 7 years and you're driving a wrecked car.

If I filled a balloon with farts and let it float away, it would be more popular than Bush was.

Obligatory (and irregardless of your politics, you can use this):

zz does that cartoon refer to the separation of powers?

FortWayne says

zz does that cartoon refer to the separation of powers?

It can refer to anything that you want it to.

The cartoon makes no point worth making.

If a moron represents your district you need to look around you, and check the mirror.

Vicente says

If a moron represents you

See I knew you would come around about Obama.

non-alcoholic beer is more popular than Bush.

sbh says

CaptainShuddup says

I bet this girl would poll better than Obama right about now.

Her answer and grasp of language represent the kind of education the Republicans intend for the future of our public. She, and that ditz from Utah, are clearly Republican bimbos.

Kinda reminds me of how you never saw a sentence you wouldn't prefer as a fragment. Remember Private, a sentence has a verb AND a subject.

I'm not the motherfucker the world is fed up with, so it don't matter.

This shit streaks days are numbered as an anointed Democrat saint, who skis through history on the coat tails of great people who actually accomplished something.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/17/politics/obama-poll-decline/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Read em and weep, you pantaloon sniffer. There's more details, in just how many polls he's failing in. There's not one single damn poll that he has possitive favors in now.

I guess they didn't POLL Crazyfornia or Patnet.
I'm sure that demographic still has LOADS of bullshit to say about Obama. He is a Nobel peace prize wiener after all. LOL

CaptainShuddup says

Read em and weep, you pantaloon sniffer.

Pantaloons? You must be even older than that picture.

Funny how the only people who talk about Obama in terms of being a "saint", Saviour, or whatever are right-wingers. Not sure where that nonsense came from.

Pantaloons. I love that word!

edvard2 says

Not sure where that nonsense came from.

Does the first 100 days "accomplishments" jubilee, complete with the closest thing in America, to the Pope placing a Crown on a Kings head, that is the Nobel Vanity prize, ring a fucking BELL?

We are still no where closer to prognosticating the football game - what if randomly drew 22 tea partiers vs 22 OWSs. Who would win? What would be the score?

edvard2 says

Funny how the only people who talk about Obama in terms of being a "saint", Saviour, or whatever are right-wingers. Not sure where that nonsense came from.

It's called a strawman argument, and right-wingers LOVE those.

CaptainShuddup says

Does the first 100 days "accomplishments" jubilee, complete with the closest thing in America, to the Pope placing a Crown on a Kings head, that is the Nobel Vanity prize, ring a fucking BELL?

That's basically more of the same talk as indicated before, meaning nobody but right wingers typically mention that sort of baseless talk.

dublin hillz says

what if randomly drew 22 tea partiers vs 22 OWSs. Who would win? What would be the score?

Probably the Tea Partiers. They'd simply drum up some money from their corporate sponsors to actually pay for real football players. Funny how we're talking about football as its entirely appropriate given that the Tea Party is an Astroturf organization...

Vicente says

Pantaloons? You must be even older than that picture.

He's just a big Louis Rene Boquet fan.

CaptainShuddup says

Does the first 100 days "accomplishments" jubilee, complete with the closest thing in America, to the Pope placing a Crown on a Kings head, that is the Nobel Vanity prize, ring a fucking BELL?

Good thing you only have 3 years and 6 months left of ever increasing blood pressure and incoherent ranting about Obama. What to you plan to devote your life to after 2016?

bob...

I am sure their will be another idiot (republican or democrat) to rant about. Although I will say they will have to work really hard to beat the Obama circus.

bob2356 says

Good thing you only have 3 years and 6 months left of ever increasing blood pressure and incoherent ranting about Obama. What to you plan to devote your life to after 2016?

For some years now I've been hearing 8 years of Obama will result in Soviet-stye bread lines:

and probably FEMA concentration camps:

When 2016 passes and Obama has not delivered, they'll have to find a way to make it happen on their own.

sbh says

You could fuck up a wet dream.

Whoah, go easy on the Cap'n there, SBH. He's a good guy. You seriously don't think he'd stop and help you fix a flat, or push your car into the emergency lane? I'm pretty sure he's that kinda fella. I'm also failry certain he's the kinda old-school chap who'd take that call at 4AM when you're in the middle of a nervous breakdown with no dry shoulders around. He'd probably bring you meals in plastic tubs if you ever hit the skids, and pick up the bill at the bar following a little gin 'n' sympathy after some whore breaks your heart in three. I can even see him putting in a good word, or babysitting at a moments notice. He'd let you win at arm wrastling and fuck your wife in order to get you off the hook for having screwed around on her first.

With all that mind, how is it you can reserve such high-octane vitriol for such a good wholesome kid?

inflection point says

bob...

I am sure their will be another idiot (republican or democrat) to rant about. Although I will say they will have to work really hard to beat the Obama circus.

Having two of the worst administrations in history back to back is hopefully an aberration not a portent of the system being so fucked up that only idiots like bush and obama can be elected.

Well let's hope it's a republican idiot so captain crunch doesn't die on us. Wasn't captian crunch of those people who was leaving the country if Obama won? Anyone track how many actually left? I rush limburger still here?

edvard2 says

Probably the Tea Partiers. They'd simply drum up some money from their corporate sponsors to actually pay for real football players. Funny how we're talking about football as its entirely appropriate given that the Tea Party is an Astroturf organization...

I largely stay out of political debates nowadays, but as someone who was involved in several early Tea Party events here in L.A. I really can't let those little "astroturf" comments go unchallenged, Miss Pelosi.

I disassociated myself with them last year (largely because they had adopted stances on social issues, something it was never supposed to be about) but I've also met hundreds of people who spent--or lost--plenty of their own time / money to be at those events. Do you really think I flew to D.C. on a Koch Brothers credit card?

I know it's what you desperately want to believe, but my experience indicated nothing of the sort. Do you ever wonder what else you're wrong about?

edvard2 says

non-alcoholic beer is more popular than Bush.

I assure you that Miller 64 is in fact less popular than Bush or Obama! Don't take my word for it, try some Miller 64.

bob2356 says

What to you plan to devote your life to after 2016?

wait for it...

wait for it...

wait for it...

Hope and Change!

JodyChunder says

Whoah, go easy on the Cap'n there, SBH.

Thanks Jody, you're too kind,and are right on all counts, except for me screwing his wife part, I draw the line when it comes to bearded chicks. the highroad be damned.

Obama numbers plunge into generation gap -CNN(AKA Obama ass kisser number 1)

CMY says

I largely stay out of political debates nowadays, but as someone who was involved in several early Tea Party events here in L.A. I really can't let those little "astroturf" comments go unchallenged, Miss Pelosi.

I disassociated myself with them last year (largely because they had adopted stances on social issues, something it was never supposed to be about) but I've also met hundreds of people who spent--or lost--plenty of their own time / money to be at those events. Do you really think I flew to D.C. on a Koch Brothers credit card?

I know it's what you desperately want to believe, but my experience indicated nothing of the sort. Do you ever wonder what else you're wrong about?

I suggest that you follow the money trail and read about exactly how the Tea Party got its start. Numerous reports and studies back these findings too.

The way that astroturf organizations work, and in the case of the Tea Party is that you need to basically "create" a sort of grass roots movement that is believably legitimate. In the case of the Tea Party, all of the work was done up front. The desired goal was to create interest amongst the populace under the false pretense that the movement was one started by individual citizens.

In reality, you can trace the founding of what eventually became the Tea Party back to the 80's. Back then there was a single organizations called "Citizens for a Sound Economy". The organization received around 5 billion dollars from the tobacco industry and similar to how many of the things the Tea Party rails against, such as environmental regulations on business, corporate taxes and unions, etc etc, the CSE was in favor of backing an agenda that discussed the relationship between big business and government. Sound familiar? Of course it does. Its because the current tea party does the same thing: All in an effort to change public opinion for the direct benefit of the corporate backers of the movement(s)

The CSE ultimately became the "Americans for Prosperity", which though has an equally vague and patriotic-sounding name works in the same fashion, which is to basically speak and act on the behalf of corporate interests.

But getting back to the Tea Party and the thoughts of it being a "Legitimate" movement. As mentioned before, these sorts of movements are purposely engineered from the start to attract everyday citizens. It feels "Real" because people ( as you mentioned) physically show up to Tea Party events, spend their own money, get involved, all the while not realizing that they are for the most part being used by the outside interests that started the whole thing from the get-go. But to those who believe that the Tea Party is a real political movement, it again feels as such because: " Well, I went to a Tea Party event and there were people like me, so it must be real." Of course it seems that way because the whole movement was engineered to attract them to a cause that serves a different purpose. Its what astroturfing is: Creating a premise for political action under the guise of a "grass roots" body.

I have no problem with people voicing their political opinions, protesting, disagreeing with aspects of how the country is run, taxes, regulations, or whatever. That is our right and freedom to do so. To peacefully assemble.

But what I DO have an issue with is when corporations and otherwise outside interests use people for their own desires and financial concerns, and especially under a presumed cover of some sort of "Grass roots" movement.