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Just looked at this deal last week. 12 units. See what rent control does to this building? The tenant who is paying $523 has been living here for 47 years. See how the 5 high paying tenants are subsidizing for the 7 low paying tenants?

Let’s ban Prop 13. Let’s also ban rent control. Let’s also ban the city rent control housing department and ban all the associated fees that go with it. Oh, and don’t forget to ban all the special assessments that the city has been tagging on the property taxes all these decades. Let property owners have their rights and charge these tenants market rents. Does this proposal sound fair?

Eman says

If you want to ban Prop 13, I’m all for it.

But you said people who want to eliminate Prop 13 are thinking like the communists.

GNL says

Eman says

If you want to ban Prop 13, I’m all for it.

But you said people who want to eliminate Prop 13 are thinking like the communists.

They are because they don’t offer solutions. They just want to ban it. TAKE, TAKE and TAKE. That’s what communists do.

I asked for a proposal/solution but none was given.

Eman says

Stop whining and start working and getting ahead.

I certainly do not disagree with this statement but, I do find it weird to be so nonchalant about fairness in taxation. In fact, it seems you are nonchalant about most things. This is how those in power are given room to fuck everything up. Just look at California and the absurdity it is. Free healthcare for the invaders? How many billions in debt? No gas cars beginning, what is it, 2025/26? Wookie is absolutely correct, Cali is a shithole. At some point, it will be a fullblown communist state. They will take everything from you if this keeps going.

If I were KING, I would eliminate state income tax so retirees don’t have to move out of CA to save money.

If I were KING, I would consider eliminate property taxes for all retirees too. At a minimum, I would encourage retirees to downsize in exchange for eliminating their property taxes.

GNL says

Eman says

Stop whining and start working and getting ahead.

I certainly do not disagree with this statement but, I do find it weird to be so nonchalant about fairness in taxation. In fact, it seems you are nonchalant about most things. This is how those in power are given room to fuck everything up. Just look at California and the absurdity it is. Free healthcare for the invaders? How many billions in debt? No gas cars beginning, what is it, 2025/26? Wookie is absolutely correct, Cali is a shithole. At some point, it will be a fullblown communist state. They will take everything from you if this keeps going.

Fairness in taxation? CA is one of the states with highest taxes and they want more tax revenues? Those, who agree with the State, are calling for eliminating Prop 13. CA doesn’t have a revenue problem. It has a spending problem.

You don’t live here so you don’t understand the local politics. I can’t explain the complexity of Prop 13 and rent control here for you. In short, the cities make landlords pay for all kinds of fees and use the fees to support the tenants fighting against the landlords in court if there’s ever a dispute.

Check out this short video clip. It’s a true story. I have 2 friends, one went through this last year, and one is currently going through this. Tenant hasn’t paid rent for 3 years. Now, he has to pay the tenant to leave. We run our rentals very carefully so we don’t have to deal with this stuff. Also, we’re in Santa Clara County where the laws are being enforced unlike San Francisco and Alameda Counties.

https://www.instagram.com/california.insider/reel/C2DoI-auPnl/

Eman, even more proof that California is a shithole. You should have sold everything between 2021/2022 and left. Just my opinion. You and your progeny will be trapped there forever.

Due to the Covid moratorium, couldn’t evict the tenant until it was lifted in July. The court was backed up with files. Finally got to the judge. The tenant claimed the place is uninhabitable. If the place is uninhabitable, landlord can ask the tenant to vacate so he can remodel the place, but he has to pay relocation fees in the teens thousands in Alameda County I believe.

GNL says

Eman, even more proof that California is a shithole. You should have sold everything between 2021/2022 and left. Just my opinion. You and your progeny will be trapped there forever.

Not all CA is a shit hole. It varies from county to county. Once in the Central Valley, it gets very red. Along the Bay, very blue. The blue people believe they’re “smarter” and “know better” than the red people.

It’s the land of opportunity if you know how to navigate the landline. Jealousy folks are the ones who stir up more problems without offer solutions. That’s why most of them, or their kids, with tattoos and blue hair work at Starbucks and fast food places.

GNL says

Eman says

Stop whining and start working and getting ahead.

I certainly do not disagree with this statement but, I do find it weird to be so nonchalant about fairness in taxation. In fact, it seems you are nonchalant about most things. This is how those in power are given room to fuck everything up. Just look at California and the absurdity it is. Free healthcare for the invaders? How many billions in debt? No gas cars beginning, what is it, 2025/26? Wookie is absolutely correct, Cali is a shithole. At some point, it will be a fullblown communist state. They will take everything from you if this keeps going.

2035 I believe. I don’t know how much of CA Wookie has been to to make that statement. Just like people who have only been to South Chicago saying Chicago is a shithole.

I have billionaires living within 30 minutes of where I live. Mark Zuckerberg, the two Google founders, Meg Whitman, John Sobrato, George Marcus, the Spieker brothers, just to name a few…. The reason I know the latter 4 persons because of real estate.

If we compare, I believe we have more billionaires living in CA compared to any other states, or even the world. Elon Musk used to live in Palo Alto before relocated to SoCal. Most VC live in the Bay Area too. How could anyone say CA is a shithole? Of course it’s Wookie. He knows….everything.

Eman says

It’s the land of opportunity if you know how to navigate the landline. Jealousy folks are the ones who stir up more problems without offer solutions. That’s why most of them, or their kids, with tattoos and blue hair work at Starbucks and fast food places.

That was funny. And true, I'm sure.

Eman says

How could anyone say CA is a shithole? Of course it’s Wookie. He knows….everything.

Ok, you've made me laugh twice today now. I say the whole state of Cali because the state is ruled by the blue people from above. The state can do the most damage, no?

California rich commies would always defend 1978 Prop 13 to loot the state!
No example is enough to convince rich to stop looting.
https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2022/04/california-prop-13-neighborhoods/
The owner of a 6,740-square-foot mansion in San Francisco estimated to be worth $9 million paid $5,625 in property taxes in 2020, according to the Tax Fairness Project, which analyzed county tax records and market values in home buying websites such as Zillow. Across the bay in Richmond, the owner of a 991-square-foot home worth $331,000 and in need of repairs paid almost as much tax at $5,240.
Where-else this kind of tax out of control disproportions exist at state, these numbers are much wider for businesses!
https://www.taxfairnessproject.org/

Blue says

California rich commies would always defend 1978 Prop 13 to loot the state!
No example is enough to convince rich to stop looting.
https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2022/04/california-prop-13-neighborhoods/
The owner of a 6,740-square-foot mansion in San Francisco estimated to be worth $9 million paid $5,625 in property taxes in 2020, according to the Tax Fairness Project, which analyzed county tax records and market values in home buying websites such as Zillow. Across the bay in Richmond, the owner of a 991-square-foot home worth $331,000 and in need of repairs paid almost as much tax at $5,240.
Where-else this kind of tax out of control disproportions exist at state, these numbers are much wider for businesses!
https://www.taxfairnessproject.org/

Keep repeating like a parrot while offering no comprehensive solutions.

For old Patnet timers, remember Iwog’s wife, who inherited a SFH in Lafayette, an affluent part of the Bay Area, and also the low property tax basis? They live there. Iwog is as left as they come wouldn’t anyone agree? Did you hear the whining a bitching from this immigrant about Prop 13? Thank god I don’t look at the world from your viewpoints. Phew…..

Blue says

California rich commies would always defend 1978 Prop 13 to loot the state!
No example is enough to convince rich to stop looting.
https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2022/04/california-prop-13-neighborhoods/
The owner of a 6,740-square-foot mansion in San Francisco estimated to be worth $9 million paid $5,625 in property taxes in 2020, according to the Tax Fairness Project, which analyzed county tax records and market values in home buying websites such as Zillow. Across the bay in Richmond, the owner of a 991-square-foot home worth $331,000 and in need of repairs paid almost as much tax at $5,240.
Where-else this kind of tax out of control disproportions exist at state, these numbers are much wider for businesses!
https://www.taxfairnessproject.org/

Kind of shitty reporting that it's White neighborhoods that get the tax breaks. While I agree Prop 13 is a terrible idea, I loath racist reporting. Btw, those who benefit from something will NEVER disagree with it.

Blue says

California rich commies would always defend 1978 Prop 13 to loot the state!
No example is enough to convince rich to stop looting.
https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2022/04/california-prop-13-neighborhoods/
The owner of a 6,740-square-foot mansion in San Francisco estimated to be worth $9 million paid $5,625 in property taxes in 2020, according to the Tax Fairness Project, which analyzed county tax records and market values in home buying websites such as Zillow. Across the bay in Richmond, the owner of a 991-square-foot home worth $331,000 and in need of repairs paid almost as much tax at $5,240.
Where-else this kind of tax out of control disproportions exist at state, these numbers are much wider for businesses!
https://www.taxfairnessproject.org/

How does wanting to limit the amount of money the Gov takes from you yearly based upon a perceived valuation that utilizes currency that is manipulated with continuous negative adjustments make one a commie?

Eman says

Due to the Covid moratorium, couldn’t evict the tenant until it was lifted in July. The court was backed up with files. Finally got to the judge. The tenant claimed the place is uninhabitable. If the place is uninhabitable, landlord can ask the tenant to vacate so he can remodel the place, but he has to pay relocation fees in the teens thousands in Alameda County I believe.

Landlording w/o being connected is such a waste of time and money, lol.

3 years to evict some deadbeat asshole? Jeezus!

GNL says

Btw, those who benefit from something will NEVER disagree with it.

Yes, those with poor ethics would degrade CA like 3rd world over the period of time.

RWSGFY says

Eman says

Due to the Covid moratorium, couldn’t evict the tenant until it was lifted in July. The court was backed up with files. Finally got to the judge. The tenant claimed the place is uninhabitable. If the place is uninhabitable, landlord can ask the tenant to vacate so he can remodel the place, but he has to pay relocation fees in the teens thousands in Alameda County I believe.

Landlording w/o being connected is such a waste of time and money, lol.

3 years to evict some deadbeat asshole? Jeezus!

Another friend went through it with over 2 years of rent not collected before the eviction. His tenants were UC Berkeley football players. No need to mention the color of their skins.

On the day of eviction, the sheriffs showed up, opened the door, and found a dog and bunch of puppies. They turned his house into a dog breeding place. Had to hold off everything and called animal control.

While he wasn't getting his rents, these guys were partying hard with cash allover the floor and posting their stuff on Instagram wearing $1.5k Dior shoes and driving a Tesla Model X.

He had to spend tens of thousands to remodel the place. He wanted to sell and gave me the money to 1031 exchange into something. This was last summer/fall. Bad timing. No deal to be had so he re-rented the place.

Check out this short video clip. It happened to quite a few landlords in SoCal and NorCal. Thankfully, this didn’t happen to us with just over 100 units. 🙏

https://www.instagram.com/california.insider/reel/C2DoI-auPnl/

GNL says

Eman says

How could anyone say CA is a shithole? Of course it’s Wookie. He knows….everything.

Ok, you've made me laugh twice today now. I say the whole state of Cali because the state is ruled by the blue people from above. The state can do the most damage, no?

First off I do know everything ;) I still don't think you've answered me the last time you've left CA. I travel regionally, nationally and internationally almost every month. CA is a shit hole, though I'll give SOCAL and NOCAL some credit. Talking the tips of the state. The rest is pure shit unless you're into Disney and other theme parks, an orange bridge that guides you into a city filled with shit, a bunch of homeless, an island prison, a bunch of illegals, tons of gays, Hollywood (Jesus Christ....), fires, power outages, earthquakes, and did I mention gays.....

There's other shit too. Be protective of your assets there. I don't care how many rich Asians move in. The game is coming to an end. Asians and foreigners are running out of money faster than we are. Chicago is a cold weather city, but it has stabilized from its worst era. CA and specifically LA and the Bay area the fun is just beginning. You'll see.

You might have been lucky so far, but if you're in the business long enough you'll get burned. Some times enough to make you broke. I saw enough in 15 years of RE. Don't get greedy or a big ego. It will eat you and your wealth. I'm an anecdotal guy. I've seen it over and over. That includes my own father. Just because you're hot now down't mean you will be in 5 years.

WookieMan says

You might have been lucky so far,

Yeah, I wonder what percentage of Eman's net equity (or net gain) is in real estate, and how much is total net equity is (which would include stocks, ETF's, CD's, etc.).

Is all of Eman's real estate equity in shithole California ?

I also extend a lot of heartfelt gratitude to all the Patnet members who are posting that California is a 3rd world shithole.

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WookieMan says

You might have been lucky so far,

Also the value of California housing is a lot dependent on foreign buyers. When that money dries up for various reasons, then the value of California housing goes down. Also housing prices are dependent on the growth of technology companies and Hollywood.

When the stock market does not do well, then the California state government finances goes to shit as well.

GNL says

Eman says

It’s the land of opportunity if you know how to navigate the landline. Jealousy folks are the ones who stir up more problems without offer solutions. That’s why most of them, or their kids, with tattoos and blue hair work at Starbucks and fast food places.

That was funny. And true, I'm sure.

I’m not kidding. Check out this 30-sec video clip, and I’m not a Christian. 😅

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1759028111851635173?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

AD says

Also the value of California housing is a lot dependent on foreign buyers. When that money dries up for various reasons, then the value of California housing goes down. Also housing prices are dependent on the growth of technology companies and Hollywood.

There for is going to be a shift. It is dark everywhere in the winter. We've been fortunate with a warm one here in IL. Most my buddies have moved to MT and CO. I don't know a person that's moved to CA. Only outbound.

I don't think Asian migration will fill the gap. CA is losing people making $100M+ The Raiders moved to Vegas. That's a massive loss. CA is losing some massive taxpayers. Silicon Valley doesn't need to be there. They can recreate it in Florida or Texas. CA is not in a good spot is all I'll say as an outsider.

Eman says

I’m not kidding. Check out this 30-sec video clip, and I’m not a Christian. 😅

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1759028111851635173?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

That's California? All I can say is, get out now.

i don’t think ca is shithole, but culture there is why everything is the way it is. love of money is root of all evil, and i lived there long enough and seen that love of money ruin it.

To get women, it takes time and money: W = T X M
But, as we all know, time is money:: T= M
Thus, a woman is the product of time and money: W = T X M = M X M = M ^2
Now, as we all know, money is the root of all evil, namely: sqrt(E) = M
That leads to: W = M^2 = (sqrt(E) X sqrt(E)) = E

Women are evil = QED.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

i don’t think ca is shithole, but culture there is why everything is the way it is. love of money is root of all evil, and i lived there long enough and seen that love of money ruin it.

Like anywhere else, we have to take the good with the bad. I don’t see myself moving anywhere as both sides of the family are rooted here in the Bay Area. All other in-law siblings are also here.

I know people who have gotten very wealthy with startups and company stock options. I also know people who have been making good money, but haven’t struck the same luck so it sucks for them to make $150-200k/year and can’t get ahead.

Love Bay Area weather. Love the food and conveniences. Love the opportunities. HATE the politics. SoCal has slightly better food choices though. Love SoCal too.

My trustee sale mentor is from SoCal/SD area. He moved to NC in 2015 to be close to his daughter and grandkids. Her hubby got a job promotion and had to relocate. He’s close to 80 now. Time flies.

GNL says

Eman says

I’m not kidding. Check out this 30-sec video clip, and I’m not a Christian. 😅

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1759028111851635173?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

That's California? All I can say is, get out now.

Don’t see it happening in my lifetime.

Eman says

HATE the politics.

A person's conscience leads their life. If you are doing good in the world, good on you.

GNL says

Eman says

HATE the politics.

A person's conscience leads their life. If you are doing good in the world, good on you.

Seeing some people in my circle and folks on BiggerPockets suffered during the Covid moratorium while I have more units without feeling the pain, I told myself my karma is paying off. 🙏

Manhattan office building sells for one dollar:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/who-could-be-next-largest-canadian-pension-fund-sells-manhattan-office-tower-1

Eman says

GNL says

Eman says

HATE the politics.

A person's conscience leads their life. If you are doing good in the world, good on you.

Seeing some people in my circle and folks on BiggerPockets suffered during the Covid moratorium while I have more units without feeling the pain, I told myself my karma is paying off. 🙏

What's the catch? They have to house illegals for the next 10 years and then they can use it for whatever they want?

NuttBoxer says

Manhattan office building sells for one dollar:

Careful, judge may fine you for fraud if the city assessed it for $.50.

Eman says

Love Bay Area weather. Love the food and conveniences. Love the opportunities. HATE the politics. SoCal has slightly better food choices though. Love SoCal too.

California as a whole has some of the worst food I've eaten. Everything is hipster guys that don't know what the fuck they're doing. I was referred to a place on Patnet in Palm Springs that I ALREADY had been to. It was trash the first time. Your pizza sucks ass. California has some of the worst food in the lower 48.

Everything comes in a freezer bag and is likely cooked by a retard. You guys don't know what good food is besides a bunch of avocados. Maybe Patrick being from Chicagoland. Our Texas friends. Florida for seafood. As much as I hate it New York is probably tops in a lot of categories. Chicago is up there.

I make sure any place I stay in CA has a grill. I'm done going to restaurants out there. I'll cook for myself. I'm better at it than the trash thrown on the plate.

The wife made Chicken Marsala last night. OMG, I swear it was better than any other I've had anywhere. Cooking at home is sorely underrated.

GNL says

The wife made Chicken Marsala last night. OMG, I swear it was better than any other I've had anywhere. Cooking at home is sorely underrated.

It's not underrated, it's awesome. I'm sure it was good. I've had flops, but I love home cooking. I've not had a good meal in CA. Even in SoCal where I give little more respect. LA to the Bay Area can eat a ponies cunt. It's really bad. Hipsters thinking they're making good food because they built out a restaurant to attract patrons instead of making good food. Fact.

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Goldman Sachs estimated commercial real estate would have to drop 50% from its current price levels for it to be economically worthwhile to convert to residential real estate.

ref: https://fortune.com/2024/02/28/goldman-sachs-office-residential-conversions-price-cut/

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Most commercial is fine. It's the non-food and storage type facilities that will carry it. Small storefront places are going to get killed. Office space is going to get killed. It's not that much of the overall market though. Office spaces died in 2021 regardless of getting back to work bull shit.

Besides the business owners I know, no one works in the headquarter state. My wife included. And that's been 18 years now. Going to the office is done. Managers are justifying their jobs and forcing people back. It will fall long term. I have tentacles in too much shit in my life. Not a know it all. This push to get back to the office will backfire.