NSA engaged in economic espionage, cyberterrorism, and other crimes
2013 Sep 10, 4:19pm 7,645 views 46 comments
Comments 1 - 23 of 46 Next » Last » Search these comments
lostand confused
@
2013 Sep 10, 9:57pm
Perhaps big business, afraid of losing intellectual property and trade secrets, will be the downfall of the NSA.
Haha!
Heraclitusstudent
@
2013 Sep 11, 3:59am
Perhaps big business, afraid of losing intellectual property and trade secrets, will be the downfall of the NSA.
I would think big US companies don't care about US spying.
However big US tech companies probably care that they will lose billions in sales abroad:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-10/nsa-spying-seen-risking-billions-in-u-s-technology-sales.html
FortWayne
@
2013 Sep 11, 4:57am
Hey, it's only a crime if it's illegal!
It's only crime if it's committed by those who are not in charge.
Dan8267
@
2013 Sep 11, 7:50am
Hey, it's only a crime if it's illegal!
It is illegal under the highest law of our land, the Constitution. We need to start enforcing that law again with criminal prosecutions.
freak80
@
2013 Sep 11, 8:49am
Lol...since when did the constitution matter? Money is the highest law of our land!
Hey, it's only a crime if it's illegal!
It is illegal under the highest law of our land, the Constitution. We need to start enforcing that law again with criminal prosecutions.
Do you still believe in Santa Claus also? The highest law of our land is money.
NSA engaged in economic espionage, cyberterrorism, and other crimes
you mean counter-espionage and counter-cyperterrorism...
when criminals / terrorists started using the internet, libs like you looked the other way.. when law enforcement started loging on and arresting them for crimes you call it crimes.
laughable... i guess you wouldnt allow highway patrols either to stop speeders and narco-runners.
It is illegal under the highest law of our land, the Constitution. We need to start enforcing that law again with criminal prosecutions.
No its not !
I would think big US companies don't care about US spying.
However big US tech companies probably care that they will lose billions in sales abroad:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-10/nsa-spying-seen-risking-billions-in-u-s-technology-sales.html
You gotta hand it to journalist.. the article should point out why its better to build
telecom products in the USA and not in China. Just another toxic product coming out of China.
Your better off having the NSA stopping state sponsored hackers in North Korea, Iran, China, Russia and other unfriendly nations than allowing these to continue to exist.
As i said a few months now, USA made telecom may be more expensive but at least it wont be hacked.
Perhaps big business, afraid of losing intellectual property and trade
secrets, will be the downfall of the NSA.
That's why they(NSA) do it.
Remeber the good ole days when........if you aren't doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about
Dan8267
@
2013 Sep 12, 2:48am
Do you still believe in Santa Claus also? The highest law of our land is money.
Where you and I differ is that I would advocate changing that.
Do you still believe in Santa Claus also? The highest law of our land is money.
Where you and I differ is that I would advocate changing that.
I actively advocated changing that for 30 years by being involved in the election process as a volunteer and party supporter. Then George Bush got elected. This made me realize that there was no hope whatsoever, the system is broken and the unstoppable course of decay just has to work it's way through until some major event resets the system. I do hold other citizenships now just in case things really go to crap fast and I have to bail totally.
Remind me much time you've spent trying to make change? Running you mouth on patnet doesn't count.
freak80
@
2013 Sep 12, 5:39am
I would advocate changing that.
So would everyone. But how will that ever happen? Everybody likes money!
Heraclitusstudent
@
2013 Sep 12, 6:03am
the article should point out why its better to build
telecom products in the USA and not in China. Just another toxic product coming out of China.
Right. You're thinking like all that matters is the US.
What do you think countries like Germany, France, India, Brazil, Russia will do now?
Will they continue to buy Microsoft OSs, Cisco routers, Apple or Google phones and be happy to be spied on at will by the NSA?
No. They will spend money to develop their own NSA proof products. And then sell these products. They may well be inferior products, but when you have state and trade secrets, you do what you have to to protect them.
This will represent many billions in lost sales for US companies. As well as new competitors.
Heraclitusstudent
@
2013 Sep 12, 6:11am
Then George Bush got elected. This made me realize that there was no hope whatsoever, the system is broken and the unstoppable course of decay just has to work it's way through until some major event resets the system.
An alternative is just a question of organization.
I think a majority of people would agree with a simple sets of reforms regarding 2 parties duopoly, political financing, lobbying and other aspects of the current political system.
I think a majority of people would agree with a simple sets of reforms regarding 2 parties duopoly, political financing, lobbying and other aspects of the current political system.
That would be nice but the people who would actually be changing the system benefit the most from the system. The amount of money involved in running for office has increased to the point where the only realistic source is large corporations and organizations (trial lawyers, public unions, etc.). The last thing they would want is any type of reform that decreases their influence on law makers. I see no way reform is possible other than a breakdown of the system.
Heraclitusstudent
@
2013 Sep 12, 10:41am
That would be nice but the people who would actually be changing the system benefit the most from the system.
It's a matter of people grouping together to do it.
Obviously you can't rely on existing groups.
Dan8267
@
2013 Sep 12, 11:08am
Remind me much time you've spent trying to make change? Running you mouth on patnet doesn't count.
Spreading good ideas is the best, and possibly only, way the typical American citizen can make a positive material change to our country. Good ideas must be discussed openly and often so that they can gain widespread support. Only then, do such ideas stand a chance of trickling up to those who actually hold power.
A good idea can go viral, and if it does, it stands a chance of becoming a movement and then a reform. But the only way that can happen is if people with good ideas run their mouths often.
There are over 300 million Americans today. Other than coming up with and spreading good ideas, there is damn little, if anything, the typical American can do to make great change.
Here's some examples of my good ideas. Spread them like herpes.
Heraclitusstudent
@
2013 Sep 12, 11:31am
You need to do 2 things:
1 - bring people together around a clear idea that shares wide support. (let's say stop NSA spying of Americans)
2 - get people to donate, hire lobbyists and buy politicians to do it.
One could easily create an Internet start-up to do these things.
What do you think countries like Germany, France, India, Brazil, Russia will do now?
Will they continue to buy Microsoft OSs, Cisco routers, Apple or Google phones and be happy to be spied on at will by the NSA?
had they been manufactured in USA or in their own country.. YES !
no need to mfg in China.
No. They will spend money to develop their own NSA proof products. And then sell these products. They may well be inferior products, but when you have state and trade secrets, you do what you have to to protect them.
Like Euro tech makers such as Philips Semi, STMicroelectronics, which also had its products hacked by the Chinese Military.. These guys have already been making chips that go into American products.
The NSA isnt the problem here...
MI6 and MI5 'refuse to use Lenovo computers' over claims Chinese company makes them vulnerable to hacking
Lenovo - the largest PC producer in the world - is indirectly backed by the Chinese state
Britain’s intelligence agencies, including MI6 and MI5, have allegedly banned the use of computers manufactured by Chinese company Lenovo due to concerns that the machines come hardwired with a vulnerability to hacking.
Machines produced by the state-backed technology company, which is the largest PC producer in the world, are claimed to have been found in tests by MI5 and GCHQ to have modifications in their circuitry which could allow remote access to the devices without the owners’ knowledge.
The discovery has led to a written banning order being issued among the “Five Eyes†alliance of British, American, Australian, Canadian and New Zealand eavesdropping agencies, including the US National Security Agency, according to the respected Australian Financial Review.
Chinese hackers 'steal blueprints for Australian spy HQ'
Hackers traced to China stole floorplans of the new A$630m base for the Australia Security Intelligence Organisation, according to ABC news
hinese hackers have stolen the blueprints of a new multi-million-dollar Australian spy headquarters as part of a growing wave of cyber attacks against business and military targets in the close US ally, an Australian news report said.
The hackers also stole confidential information from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, which houses the overseas spy agency the Australian Secret Intelligence Service, Australia's ABC Television said late yesterday.
The ABC report said Chinese hackers had targeted Australia-based companies more aggressively than previously thought, including steel-manufacturer Bluescope Steel, and military and civilian communications manufacturer Codan Ltd.
Comments 1 - 23 of 46 Next » Last » Search these comments
New Snowden Documents Show NSA Deemed Google Networks a "Target"
Perhaps big business, afraid of losing intellectual property and trade secrets, will be the downfall of the NSA.
#crime