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edvard2 says

Many people ..MANY from NY and California have moved to the South.

Well yeah, if we have to pay for their lifestyle, the least that they could do is wait on us.

Dan8267 says

Blue states would be far better off and would pay far less in taxes if they
didn't have to support the crappy ass red states, which are crappy because they
don't spend enough of their instate dollars on infrastructure and social safety
nets leaving the federal government and blue states the task of keeping their
population from starving.

Speaking for all "blues", I'm tired of supporting red welfare queens who then
go and bitch and moan about the very support I'm giving them.

Honest
Abe says

That is the problem of socialism isn't it? Running out of other peoples
money...hahaha.

Except that you're not in a 'blue' Dan, you're one of the anchors, according to your own chart.

And the answer to red state seceding? I f-n hope so, can I help you pack?

upisdown says

Except that you're not in a 'blue' Dan, you're one of the anchors, according to your own chart.

You're analysis is incorrect.

1. The chart states that Florida gets back only 97% of what it pays in taxes. You can argue that Florida isn't much of a giver state, but it certainly isn't a taker.

2. Florida is a microcosm of the United States. North Florida is the south and is red. South Florida is the north and is blue. Tax revenues from south Florida are far greater than from north Florida, whereas federal expenditures are reverse. So the politically red part of Florida is a taker while the blue part of Florida is a giver, and the two nearly equally balance each other out.

3. I live in south Florida and I pay in taxes easily ten times what I get back in services. That's the downside of being a smart, single, educated man with a good career producing wealth for a living; you get taxed through the nose by our stupid tax codes.

4. Although there are a few exceptions, overall red states are overwhelmingly the recipients of socialist wealth redistribution. So, let's get rid of this socialism and stop redistributing wealth to the red states. We can start by getting rid of all defense contracts and farm subsidies, those secret Muslim socialist programs.

At this point the whole economy is a govt jobs program.
Really 99% of the people work on shit we dont need, luxury items, entertainment, etc.
Half the country works in real estate lending etc, construction, etc so women can tear out the old brown tiles and put in the new fancy beige travertine ones - which have the same functionality as teh old ones. talk about useless, everything sold at home depot typically replaces something that works fine but is 'wrong color'.

upisdown says

And the answer to red state seceding? I f-n hope so, can I help you pack?

I'm all for building a moat just south of the panhandle and cutting Florida off from northern immigration and all those Georgian hillbillies. I've been advocating that for years. Of course, we'd have to get rid of all the southerners in north Florida or the state would split into two separate geo-political entities.

By the way, I'm all for the right of people to secede from their nation. I just don't think it should be done on the state level, but rather by a means that lets any large group of persons in terms of number and land area to peacefully form a separate country and take their land with them. Image the competition it would bring to nation-states.

However, if the slave states -- and that's really what we're talking about -- were to secede, they still should not be allowed to bring slavery back, invade Mexico, or engage in warfare other than defense of their own land. In other words, those shifty-eyed rednecks need to be watched or they'll cause another genocide. This is unfortunate, but true. The slave states are full of people with no respect for human rights.

PockyClipsNow says

Really 99% of the people work on shit we dont need, luxury items, entertainment, etc.

I think that's because we import 99% of the shit we do need, and we have to pay for it somehow.

Dan8267 says

You're analysis is incorrect.

Your own f-n chart has Florida as red, does it not? Now, according to (again your own chart) the disparity is .03 cents, but still red.
So, in a sense we're both wrong, me in that your state is an 'achor', and you that it is actually a 'red state'.

Dan8267 says

I'm all for building a moat just south of the panhandle and cutting Florida off
from northern immigration and all those Georgian hillbillies.

Screw you, you're taking ALL of Georgia and Floriduh, and leave what's left or salvagable of TN and NC to people that have a pulse and brain functions. That area is too nice to have the one-eyed, one eared morons inhabit it.

thomaswong.1986 says

there is a myth that southern states have inbreeding.

You've obviously never travelled in rural Georgia or Tennessee then. Family tree no branches.

upisdown says

Your own f-n chart has Florida as red, does it not?

Are you confused? I thought I explained this clear enough, but I'll try again. Yes, the chart simply does a litmus test to categorize states into red or blue, but Florida is really damn close to half and half, which is why it's known as a swing state. Perhaps you've heard that term before. It means Florida flips flops between red and blue like John Kerry at the International House of Pancakes. Florida is the mother of all swing states.

So, although the chart displays Florida in red -- and probably could have gotten away with rendering Florida blue -- Florida is certainly no where near as red as Texas, Mississippi, George, North Carolina, or Alaska.

Now perhaps the concepts of gradations is unfamiliar to you, but there are these things called degrees and shades in the real world. So if you're trying to make the point that Florida is one of those states in which the population is calling for succession, you're wrong.

The fact is that the southern half of Florida is much more like Boston than Little Rock, whereas the northern half is more like Little Rock than Boston. Even if the northern Floridians wanted to secede, they would not be able to get the southern Floridians to take them seriously.

To illustrate the difference between the two Floridas, this is what someone from north Florida looks like.

No, I'm not making that shit up. He's attending the Redneck Olympics at Lakeland Motorsports Park's Mud Hole -- and no, I'm not making that up either -- which is totally north Florida shit.

This is what people in south Florida look like.

South Florida, especially Miami, is populated largely by people who are beautiful and dumb who spend more time on their bodies than anything else. Think Jersey Shore year round. Not exactly a red-state culture.

tatupu70 says

thomaswong.1986 says

from where are you going to lift all boats... where does the money come from.. higher revenues ? how can that be when your not selling more products due to higher costs ? This thinking ended badly as highly unionized companies crashed and burned in the late 70s.

Thomas--it's pretty simple really. Instead of all the money going to the owners, it would go to the workers. That's one of the main problems with our economy right now--capital is rewarded much more than labor. That creates wealth disparity.

You have no idea what you're talking about do you?

Capital creates wealth for everyone. Saving money and letting banks lend out the money creates capital which allows people to borrow (reasonably) and start up new ventures or businesses or even ideas. Or better yet companies can reinvest their capital into R&D, workers, owners, and etc.

Wealth disparity is created by a phone economy which is what we have now. Fo example, for one to be rich someone has to already have money to invest in because assets (stocks, bonds, houses and etc) go up in value due to QE's or easy money policies. But the problem is most american's cannot buy these assets as they're tapped out from rising prices and higher costs of living. So the wealth gap increases as those with money can invest in assets while those who work struggle.

People like you believe unions should have the power to demand price increases but what you don't realize is that it's causing more harm than good. If I own a business and hire you for a job that's worth $5 I can't hire you because minimum wage states you must be paid at least $8 (soon to be $9). But even then, if I do have a job opening that was what I believe was worth $9 and do hire you, the only way I would increase your wage is if you increased your production output or value (do more work or know how to do more).

If you did more or produced more then you in effect lower my cost as a owner and I would be obligated to pay you more in doing so. But if the cost of living increase due to QE's and easy money printing I am not going to give you a raise, in fact if I am forced to give you a raise I am just going to lay you off, or convert you to part time or have you do more work to get my money's worth all of which is what occurs daily.

Unions only make matters worst and I expect the cost of living to increase even more in California thanks to the new minimum wage law increases, topped off with constant flow of QE.

edvard2 says

foxmannumber1 says

We have the world's strongest military to ensure the dollar stays the world's strongest currency.

The military has nuttin' to do with currency.

Technically it does.

bob2356 says

thomaswong.1986 says

there is a myth that southern states have inbreeding.

You've obviously never travelled in rural Georgia or Tennessee then. Family tree no branches.

a handful of people well under 1% compared to the massive inbreeding 20-30-50% on national scale ?

spydah_hh says

People like you believe unions should have the power to demand price increases but what you don't realize is that it's causing more harm than good. If I own a business and hire you for a job that's worth $5 I can't hire you because minimum wage states you must be paid at least $8 (soon to be $9). But even then, if I do have a job opening that was what I believe was worth $9 and do hire you, the only way I would increase your wage is if you increased your production output or value (do more work or know how to do more).

Pay them YOUR money or they get the thugs sent after you...and even their crony's in Congress.

thomaswong.1986 says

spydah_hh says

People like you believe unions should have the power to demand price increases but what you don't realize is that it's causing more harm than good. If I own a business and hire you for a job that's worth $5 I can't hire you because minimum wage states you must be paid at least $8 (soon to be $9). But even then, if I do have a job opening that was what I believe was worth $9 and do hire you, the only way I would increase your wage is if you increased your production output or value (do more work or know how to do more).

Pay them YOUR money or they get the thugs sent after you...and even their crony's in Congress.

Lol, sad but true...

foxmannumber1 says

The average black American IQ is 85. The average White American IQ is 100.

15% difference in IQs is an astronomical difference, especially over the course of human history. think 15% in annual interest for the last 2M years of human evolution.

for those who are not familiar with exponential functions, this example will illustrate how powerful exponential functions are. if someone invested $1 during the Roman empire at 3% annually, that person would have had all the money in the world today.

this is why blacks have never invented anything useful beside boats, spears and peanut butter and Africa is forever doomed. (don't bother sending money to little Tanisha's you see on TV), it would make zero difference.

inbreeding actually isn't that big of a deal in reality. the maths show that marrying your cousins while increases the chance of birth defects, it doesn't mean much since the chance remains extremely low. for example, going from %0.0025 to %0.005 while doubles the chance, it still means nothing.

environmental factors are the deciding factor in human intelligence. groups living in favorable climates, fertile, disease-free lands are more naturally selected for their intelligence than groups living in hostile environments (i.e malaria) where physical strengths and resistances to diseases trump everything else. evolution happens randomly but also equally among groups. given the same period, if one group advances in one area it will fall behind in other area in relative to other groups. in other words, the stronger a person is, the less intelligent he is and vice versa.

Dan8267 says

South Florida, especially Miami, is populated largely by people who are beautiful and dumb who spend more time on their bodies than anything else.

Miami is inhabited by Cubans and other undesirable non white hispanics. White people have largely fled Miami due to this demographic change.

The good looking and rich whites that are still in Miami stay far away from the more criminal brown people and have no interaction with them.

foxmannumber1 says

Dan8267 says

South Florida, especially Miami, is populated largely by people who are beautiful and dumb who spend more time on their bodies than anything else.

Miami is inhabited by Cubans and other undesirable non white hispanics. White people have largely fled Miami due to this demographic change.

The good looking and rich whites that are still in Miami stay far away from the more criminal brown people and have no interaction with them.

You're a real charmer.

spydah_hh says

Capital creates wealth for everyone. Saving money and letting banks lend out the money creates capital which allows people to borrow (reasonably) and start up new ventures or businesses or even ideas. Or better yet companies can reinvest their capital into R&D, workers, owners, and etc.

Oh, no. Not any supply creates its own demand guy. Hasn't the supply side cult given up yet? Capital does NOT create jobs. For god's sake, look at the current situation--the country is awash in money. Interest rates are ridiculously low. Where are the jobs??

spydah_hh says

Wealth disparity is created by a phone economy which is what we have now. Fo example, for one to be rich someone has to already have money to invest in because assets (stocks, bonds, houses and etc) go up in value due to QE's or easy money policies. But the problem is most american's cannot buy these assets as they're tapped out from rising prices and higher costs of living. So the wealth gap increases as those with money can invest in assets while those who work struggle.

You're actually almost on the right track there. The wealth gap increases because those with the capital are getting rewarded over those who only have their own labor to offer. The way to fix that is to reward labor over capital.

spydah_hh says

People like you believe unions should have the power to demand price increases but what you don't realize is that it's causing more harm than good. If I own a business and hire you for a job that's worth $5 I can't hire you because minimum wage states you must be paid at least $8 (soon to be $9). But even then, if I do have a job opening that was what I believe was worth $9 and do hire you, the only way I would increase your wage is if you increased your production output or value (do more work or know how to do more).

First--unions don't affect prices. They bargain for wage and benefits. Second--how do you determine what a job is worth? Is it the added value that the job creates? The added value minus some % that goes to the owner?

spydah_hh says

If you did more or produced more then you in effect lower my cost as a owner and I would be obligated to pay you more in doing so. But if the cost of living increase due to QE's and easy money printing I am not going to give you a raise, in fact if I am forced to give you a raise I am just going to lay you off, or convert you to part time or have you do more work to get my money's worth all of which is what occurs daily.

You really don't get it. In the real world, people are paid based on their negotiating power and how well they wield it. In any event, if the cost of living increases based on easy money, that implies that you should be raising your prices.

spydah_hh says

Unions only make matters worst and I expect the cost of living to increase even more in California thanks to the new minimum wage law increases, topped off with constant flow of QE

History disagrees with you. The time period when unions were strong was a great period in US economic history.

Bigsby says

You're a real charmer.

The 2010 census states that Monterey CA has 777(.5% total) black people. You actively choose to live in a super majority white place, effectively rejecting all other races as your neighbors. If the percentage of black people went up, the high quality life currently enjoyed in Monterey would degrade proportionately.

Your actions say the same thing as I do. The whites that trump diversity as being desirable have insulated themselves against Non Asian Minorities and since they have no real life experiences with non whites, they do not know how much worse nonwhites are.

foxmannumber1 says

Bigsby says

You're a real charmer.

The 2010 census states that Monterey CA has 777(.5% total) black people. You actively choose to live in a super majority white place, effectively rejecting all other races as your neighbors. If the percentage of black people went up, the high quality life currently enjoyed in Monterey would degrade proportionately.

Your actions say the same thing as I do. The whites that trump diversity as being desirable have insulated themselves against Non Asian Minorities and since they have no real life experiences with non whites, they do not know how much worse nonwhites are.

I live in Kuwait. What do you have to say now?

And that's not even mentioning the fact the Hispanic/Latino population considerably out numbers the white population in Monterey County.

You are a piece of shit racist. How's that for an analysis?

I'm sorry for believing your user info.

I was speaking of the Monterey city.

foxmannumber1 says

I'm sorry for believing your user info.

I was speaking of the Monterey city.

I'm sorry you are an out and out racist. This is a housing forum based in CA. I own a home in CA - Monterey. Where do you own a home? Presumably surrounded by people the same colour as you and/or who despise the sight of you.

There is nothing wrong with being racist. Being racist will save your life more often than rejecting the natural instinct to judge others different from you.

This is a politics forum.

foxmannumber1 says

There is nothing wrong with being racist. Being racist will save your life more often than rejecting the natural instinct to judge others different from you.

This is a politics forum.

Everybody is different. Thankfully. Why do you base your attitude solely on colour? And a very specific colour by the sounds of it.

Race is not just color.

Race is a word to refer to the many genetic differences between the subspecies of humans.

foxmannumber1 says

Race is not just color.

Race is a word to refer to the many genetic differences between the subspecies of humans.

You are judging people by the colour of their skin not their genetics as a whole. All population groups are genetically diverse. Perhaps you should be posting your hatred against the redheads down the street from you for all the difference it makes.

I judge people by their intelligence. Intelligence is the single most desirable trait in the modern world.

Asians have an average IQ if 107. Whites have an average IQ of 100. Hispanics/latinos/mestizos have an average IQ of 90. American blacks have an average IQ 85. Purebred sub saharan africans have an average IQ of 70. These numbers are genetic and unchangeable by 'nurture'.

There is no benefit for a more intelligent person to associate with a less intelligent person. There is benefit for a less intelligent person to associate with a more intelligent person. These 2 facts create conflict when the more intelligent attempt to avoid the less intelligent.

foxmannumber1 says

There is no benefit for a more intelligence person to associate with a less intelligent person.

Ha. You said it (or rather failed to say it correctly). I guess I shouldn't waste my time responding to you then.

I think you agree with me if all you can find wrong is a typo.

foxmannumber1 says

I think you agree with me if all you can find wrong is a typo.

Oh, I think any sane person could easily question the glib generalizations you are making and your narrow take on the basis for human interaction. Presumably every person you meet has to take an IQ test before you decide whether you can associate with them. How's that working out for you?

I use skin color to identify races. Thankfully the 4 major races in the USA have vastly different skin color.

I then use the repeatable and reliable science behind the intelligence tests which always show the same results I listed above to determine which races I wish to interact with personally.

Do you ever wonder why Asians seem to be immune to all the excuses that blacks and Hispanics/latinos/mestizos use to blame whites for their lack of achievement? The answer is they have a higher genetic intelligence and therefore are able to compete in a society that values merit.

Do you have a wife, kids and friends?

Stay on topic.

I believe in 'freedom of association'. This means that both parties have to agree to interact. This freedom infuriates multiculti zealots.

If whites want to live and interact with other whites only, it's their right. If blacks want to live and interact with other blacks only, it's their right. If whites and blacks want to live and interact with each other, it's their right.

Judging by how non diverse American neighborhoods are, I think more Americans than not agree with and practice this freedom.

foxmannumber1 says

Stay on topic.

I believe in 'freedom of association'. This means that both parties have to agree to interact. This freedom infuriates multiculti zealots.

If whites want to live and interact with other whites only, it's their right. If blacks want to live and interact with other blacks only, it's their right. If whites and blacks want to live and interact with each other, it's their right.

Judging by how non diverse American neighborhoods are, I think more Americans than not agree with and practice this freedom.

I am staying on topic. Do you have a wife, kids and friends?

And what you are saying here is hardly insightful. Two parties have to agree to interact (presumably before there is any kind of meaningful relationship)? No shit Sherlock. Who you associate with is your own choice, but you are making that decision before you've even met those people. Very sad indeed.

Only about 10% of American blacks have an IQ of 100 or greater. This is about 4 million people.

50% of American whites have an IQ of 100 or greater. This is about 100 million people.

This makes the odds for diversity very bad.

You have to get very lucky, or go out of your way to find a black with the intelligence equal to the average white. It's much easier for a white person to find another white person to have a pleasant and complimentary relationship with.

So let's say you have an IQ of 100 (I'm being generous here) and you move to a street populated by black Harvard professors. I presume you'd be as happy as a pig in shit.

And I'm still asking if you have a wife, kids and friends.

Such as Henry Gates?

Crowley then told Gates that he was leaving his residence and that if Gates wanted to continue discussing the matter, he would speak to him outside. Gates replied, "Yeah, I'll speak with your mama outside."

Model citizen.

That fails to answer either of my queries.

I would say that you have no point in the real world.

I doubt there is a street/neighborhood with a majority of black Harvard professors.

My point is that even a distinguished black Harvard professor is still an African at heart, but they hide their true nature much better than the average black. Henry Gates knows he let his instincts take over when he began acting uncivilized.

This is another, more comical example:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/m1gUdxOxsKg