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Boy with toy gun shot and killed by Calif. deputies
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2013 Oct 23, 1:21pm 29,763 views 91 comments
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I'm an avid gun enthusiast but toy guns that look real are incredibly irresponsible. Kids shouldn't be taught that guns are toys.
justme
2013 Oct 24, 9:01am
For those who did not see the video of police shooting a completely harmless man in Dallas, I refer you to another thread
leo707
2013 Oct 24, 9:03am
I'm an avid gun enthusiast but toy guns that look real are incredibly irresponsible. Kids shouldn't be taught that guns are toys.
Yes, and from what I understand it is illegal to have a toy gun without at least a red tip -- many are made out of clear plastic, etc. (as was the hand gun tucked in this kids pants).
I don't think we know why this kids gun was missing the red tip.
freak80
2013 Oct 24, 12:12pm
At least the story could have ended well if he were to have received a sky burial via turkey vultures devouring his corpse and releasing his soul.
Thus spoke Zoroaster.
REpro
2013 Oct 24, 12:29pm
For those who did not see the video of police shooting a completely harmless man in Dallas, I refer you to another thread
The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.
Homeboy
2013 Oct 24, 3:26pm
Are you saying that if a neighborhood watchman shoots a person, he is automatically guilty of murder?
Funny how you are all on the band wagon when a cop shoots a 13 year old Latino boy who hurt nobody, but you want the death penalty when a Latino man shoots an aggressively violent young black man! Aren't you even concerned about what race the policeman was?
When did I say those things? Do you perchance have me confused with someone else?
will the real AK please stand up...
Kid was told by civilian to get rid of the toy..
Ismael Mondragon told NBC Bay Area that he saw Andy moments before he was killed with the gun in his hand. Mondragon said he warned the boy to get rid of such a real-looking weapon.
"I saw him with that rifle in his left hand," Mondgragon said. "And I said, 'Throw that thing away, the police are right behind you.' "
But Andy still had the rifle in his hand at 3:14 p.m. when deputies spotted him at Moorland and West Robles avenues.
freak80
2013 Oct 24, 10:22pm
The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.
ALL of them?
"I saw him with that rifle in his left hand," Mondgragon said. "And I said, 'Throw that thing away, the police are right behind you.' "
But Andy still had the rifle in his hand at 3:14 p.m. when deputies spotted him at Moorland and West Robles avenues
Darwinism strikes again.
The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.
ALL of them?
My observation is that the dirty rotten liar rate is 100% when it comes to protecting themselves or their fellow "made men" brethren. If you are not in their gang you don't count.
everything
2013 Oct 25, 1:02am
Wow, nice Chinese knock off. To bad, but the kid should have done as he was told.
I've had two cops with guns pointed at my face with fingers on triggers, believe me .. I did what I was told, which was to take my hands out of my pockets very slowly and put them over my head.
To bad, but the kid should have done as he was told.
I think there is a good chance he did, or tried to. I would imagine he was scared.
What should this guy have done differently to save his life?
http://patrick.net/?p=1230995
everything
2013 Oct 25, 2:10am
I can see that, to scared to drop the gun, maybe being his favorite toy, possibly frozen with fear?, I can not disagree that he died thinking wtf did I do to deserve this.
To bad, but the kid should have done as he was told.
I think there is a good chance he did, or tried to. I would imagine he was scared.
What should this guy have done differently to save his life?
rooemoore
2013 Oct 26, 3:31am
Well, this seems a little hinky:
A timeline released Thursday by the Santa Rosa police shows that only 10 seconds passed from the moment that the sheriff's deputy and his partner called dispatch to report a suspicious person to the moment they called back to say shots had been fired.
My observation is that the dirty rotten liar rate is 100% when it comes to protecting themselves or their fellow "made men" brethren. If you are not in their gang you don't count.
Nuestra Familia, Santa Rosa Gangland Norte14 Norteños
http://www.youtube.com/embed/X6U75M3joJg
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.Authorities target pot grows in southwest Santa Rosa sweep
. http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120926/articles/120929653
Dozens of combat-clad police officers, deputies and federal agents swarmed a southwest Santa Rosa neighborhood Wednesday morning in the region's largest-ever operation against residential marijuana gardens.
A team of 150 law enforcement officers raided 32 homes off Moorland Avenue immediately south of the Corby Auto Mall, where the pungent smell of marijuana hung heavily in the air and backyard marijuana plants towered over fences in plain view from the street.
Law officials, who suspected gang involvement with at least some of the gardens, arrested 13 people on a variety of drug and weapons charges and seized more than 300 plants from 32 locations, said Sonoma County sheriff's Lt. Dennis O'Leary.
The raids began about 9 a.m. when FBI agents in full military gear ordered residents to leave, then rushed into their homes, most of them modest multi-plex units.
Soon the area was punctuated by the sounds of exploding flash grenades at several homes in the neighborhood, which is bordered by Highway 101 on the east and railroad tracks on the west.
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The raids began about 9 a.m. when FBI agents in full military gear ordered residents to leave, then rushed into their homes, most of them modest multi-plex units.
What is your point? That this is the same kind of overzealous, militarized, response (exclusive to minority neighborhoods) that cost the child carrying a replica gun his life?
I would agree.
Y
2013 Oct 26, 10:47am
What's lost in all this blather is what dealing with the guttersnipes of the world on a daily basis will do to one's psyche. I sure would like some of the police haters here to take on their role for a couple of months and see how well you wear the stench of the world.
Robert Sproul says
The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.
ALL of them?
My observation is that the dirty rotten liar rate is 100% when it comes to protecting themselves or their fellow "made men" brethren. If you are not in their gang you don't count.
guttersnipes
Now the kid, murdered when he walked down the street and made a couple of cops nervous, is a guttersnipe.
Nice.
SoftShell says
I sure would like some of the police haters here to take on their role for a couple of months and see how well you wear the stench of the world.
The job of enforcing the oppression of the underclass and funneling them into the largest Gulag in the world?
Not for all the money.
What is your point? That this is the same kind of overzealous, militarized, response (exclusive to minority neighborhoods) that cost the child carrying a replica gun his life?
I would agree.
in a gang infested drug peddling neighborhood, its not a good idea to be seen walking around with anything that looks like a gun.
no wonder the civilian gave the kid a good warning to get rid of the gun he was carring.
in a gang infested drug peddling neighborhood isnt is a good idea to go after
all these armed criminals. Isnt that what needs to happen in Chicago as well.
gang infested
drug peddling
armed criminals
You (and the body armored hard-ons in the picture you posted) need to calm the fuck down.
Maybe a puff of the Herbal Sacrament........
REpro
2013 Oct 26, 2:28pm
The Sonoma County coroner said he found seven "apparent entry wounds," two of them fatal.
Way seven shoots, just to be sure kid be dead. One is not enough?
Vicente
2013 Oct 26, 3:16pm
in a gang infested drug peddling neighborhood
Moorland Avenue in Santa Rosa doesn't seem much like the Bronx.
Looking at the timeline, the shooting took place awfully goddamn fast:
"A timeline released Thursday by the Santa Rosa police shows that only 10 seconds passed from the moment that the sheriff's deputy and his partner called dispatch to report a suspicious person to the moment they called back to say shots had been fired."
For reference, my time on an IPSC El Presidente drill was typically 7.x seconds, on a good day in the 6.x range. That's twitching WAITING for the start, when I know I'm going to spin and draw the instant I hear the beginning of that buzzer sound. Fire 2 rounds on each of 3 targets, speed reload, fire 2 rounds again, stop.
10 seconds for all the radioing, getting out of cars, shouting commands..... yeah this probably all happened WAY too fast for 13-year old kid to comprehend.
"HUH WHAT YOU MEAN ME?"
To their unfortunate credit, they got 7 rounds on target in this very short timeframe, with 2 of them being fatal wounds. I suppose that would have been great if he'd been a spree killer or something instead of a foolish teenager.
Vicente
2013 Oct 26, 3:43pm
The Sonoma County coroner said he found seven "apparent entry wounds," two of them fatal.
7 is how many rounds hit the target. 8 were actually fired, so one shot went wild. This is quite unusual, shootings typically involve many more shots going wild. E.g. recent NYC incident where police attempted to shoot some crazy guy on the street, missed every time, and hit 2 bystanders.
http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/15/nypd-officers-shooting-at-crazed-guy-tak
Vicente
2013 Oct 26, 3:52pm
Yes, and from what I understand it is illegal to have a toy gun without at least a red tip
Per this story, the red tip had broken off. Plastic toys do break. Many of the guns of my childhood had duct tape fixing broken corners. Fortunately the many neighborhood "shootouts" of my youth never involved police.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/north_bay&id=9300434
gang infested
drug peddling
armed criminals
You (and the body armored hard-ons in the picture you posted) need to calm the fuck down.
Maybe a puff of the Herbal Sacrament........
good luck with that.... this is what happens in gang infested areas. No different had
it been Chicago with its dreadful violence.
Jimmell Cannon Shot Eight Times By Police While Allegedly Holding A BB Gun
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/jimmell-cannon-shot-eight_n_909583.html
Jimmell Cannon was in serious to critical condition late Monday night at Chicago's Stroger Hospital, as the 13-year-old was riddled with bullets -- two in the hand, two in the shoulder, four in the leg.
The 13-year-old boy, whose parents describe him as a fun-loving, "straight A-B student," wasn't the victim of gang violence or a crazed attacker. Instead, the gunmen were Chicago police officers.
According to FOX Chicago, police arrived at a park near the Piccolo Specialty School where Jimmell attends to respond to a call of shots fired. They claim Jimmell matched the description of the shooter, so they came after him. He appeared to be holding a weapon in his hand, police say, and when they asked him to lower it, he refused. When he pointed the weapon in the officers' direction, they opened fire. Apparently, eight rounds were required to subdue the 13-year-old.
Police Shoot Woman Armed with BB Gun
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130927/pilsen/police-shoot-woman-armed-with-bb-gun
PILSEN— A 19-year-old woman was shot by police after pointing a BB gun at cops Thursday in Pilsen, police said.
Police responded to a call of a "man with a gun" in the 1000 block West Cullerton Avenue around 10:40 p.m. Thursday, according to a statement from police.
Moorland Avenue in Santa Rosa doesn't seem much like the Bronx.
if you noticed all the LA -- NYC gangs have spread nation wide by now.
http://www.fugitive.com/tag/santa-rosa-gangs/
MICHAEL LIRA AND 13-YEAR-OLD ACCOMPLICE ARRESTED IN SANTA ROSA FOR ALLEGED HOME INVASION ROBBERY
Published by Staff Writer on April 29, 2011
Two teens were arrested Thursday after allegedly breaking into a Santa Rosa home, ordering the residents to give them money, and threatening them with a gun in what appears to be a gang-related incident, police said. Michael Lira, 19, and a 13-year-old boy are suspected of breaking into a home in the 900 block of West Avenue early Thursday morning.
Y
2013 Oct 27, 12:29am
I thought you had the intelligence to see that I was not referring to the kid, but to criminals in general.
I guess I was wrong....
guttersnipes
Now the kid, murdered when he walked down the street and made a couple of cops nervous, is a guttersnipe.
Nice.
Y
2013 Oct 27, 12:31am
Precisely.
You recognize that you would most likely wind up acting just like the majority of officers in these situations.
Thanks for making my point.
I sure would like some of the police haters here to take on their role for a couple of months and see how well you wear the stench of the world.
The job of enforcing the oppression of the underclass and funneling them into the largest Gulag in the world?
Not for all the money.
Y
2013 Oct 27, 12:33am
As soon as you can define a "sot", we can give you an answer....
The Sonoma County coroner said he found seven "apparent entry wounds," two of them fatal.
Way seven sots, just to be sure kid be dead. One is not enough?
Y
2013 Oct 27, 12:34am
20 to life for the parents.
They should have dumped the broken toy...
Yes, and from what I understand it is illegal to have a toy gun without at least a red tip
Per this story, the red tip had broken off. Plastic toys do break.
I'm telling you, you hysterical pantywaists need to calm down.
THE US CRIME RATE IS THE LOWEST IN DECADES.
In the past 20 years, for instance, the murder rate in the United States has dropped by almost half.
In the meantime the police have gone straight crazy in the pursuit of arming themselves for occupation and repression.
Really, they are who you should be scared of. When was the last time you bumped into and were victimized by the Nuestra or La Eme or the bad boy biker boogie men that the cops use to justify buying armored assault vehicles.
It is amazing to me how fearful (TERRORISTS! GANG CRIME!) you propagandized pansies are.
Shaman
2013 Oct 27, 1:43am
APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says
THE US CRIME RATE IS THE LOWEST IN DECADES.
In the past 20 years, for instance, the murder rate in the United States has dropped by almost half.
That's because the cops shoot everything that moves.
According to the authors of "Freakonomics" it's because of rampant abortions for inner city types being pushed throughout the 80s and 90s. Less urban youths = less crime.
Y
2013 Oct 27, 1:44am
and when was the last time 99.9% of the population were shot at by the police? We can play these word games from both angles.
The police are hyped up as they should be given the frequent shootings by juveniles. And it's probably not the % of shootings, but the sensational reporting of them by the rabid liberal media that has enforcement on edge.
In the meantime the police have gone straight crazy in the pursuit of arming themselves for occupation and repression.
Really, they are who you should be scared of. When was the last time you bumped into and were victimized by the Nuestra or La Eme or the bad boy biker boogie men that the cops use to justify buying armored assault vehicles.
According to the authors of "Freakonomics" it's because of rampant abortions for inner city types being pushed throughout the 80s and 90s. Less urban youths = less crime.
Maybe so. Whatever the cause why does less crime warrant insanely militarized, hostile and authoritarian law enforcement? Or draconian laws and sentencing guidelines?
I have noticed stories lately about "woman arrested and strip searched over traffic tickets!" or whatever. It is because the Supremes ruled last year that they could SS anybody that they brought in for any crime. Do you think they will miss any opportunity to make you spread your cheeks and squat?
Or mandatory blood draws under restraint for suspected drunk drivers as is happening in a few states?
This is civilian degradation and submission training.
My grandfather would have been aghast, and it would have been a bloody free-for-all.
reporting of them by the CORPORATE CONTROLLED media that has enforcement on edge.
There, I fixed that for you.
It is very important to correctly identify your enemies.
Homeboy
2013 Oct 27, 7:15am
Looking at the timeline, the shooting took place awfully goddamn fast:
That doesn't necessarily prove anything. It certainly would take less than 10 seconds for a person to shoot a policeman. If you're saying that cops must count to ten before they shoot back at someone pointing a gun at them, I can't say I agree.
Automan Empire
2013 Oct 27, 8:05am
THE US CRIME RATE IS THE LOWEST IN DECADES.
In the past 20 years, for instance, the murder rate in the United States has
dropped by almost half.
According to the authors of "Freakonomics" it's because of rampant abortions
Many believe that removal of lead from paint and gasoline is a major driver of this trend, too. Landlords, remember this instead of grousing about lead paint regulations in your units.
Y
2013 Oct 27, 10:21am
There. I fixed that for you.
It is very important to correctly identify the pressure the various police departments are under.
THE US CRIME RATE IS THE LOWEST IN DECADES.
In the past 20 years, for instance, the murder rate in the United States has dropped by almost half.In the meantime the police ARE UNDER UNIMAGINABLE PRESSURE in the pursuit of ADOLESCENTS arming themselves WITH SEMIAUTOMATIC WEAPONS for THE EXPRESS INTENT OF SHOOTING SCHOOL PERSONNEL.
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Northern California sheriff's deputies have shot and killed a 13-year-old boy after repeatedly telling him to drop what turned out to be a replica assault rifle, sheriff's officials and family members said.
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/calif-sheriffs-deputies-shoot-kill-13-year-old
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