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Quigley says

So you can't carry a concealed weapon and now you can't carry one openly? Does that not constitute a ban on guns? I mean, you can own one, but not take it somewhere to use it? How is this constitutional? California law is illegal.

Some say CA legislature have set themselves up to a beating similar to what Illinois have received in courts. IL is now shall-issue state, CA could be next.

leo707 says

FYI, glove boxes don't count as locked containers

Awww dang. How am I going to maneuver in CA traffic now?

freak80 says

leo707 says

FYI, glove boxes don't count as locked containers

Awww dang. How am I going to maneuver in CA traffic now?

The rule doesn't apply to crew-served weapons, so bring your GAU-19 next time you visit CA.

I am no dead ringer for the cops, but in this case, what can anyone expect them to do?

I knew from a younger age without having to be told, don't even THINK about playing with a toy gun, with people who have REAL guns!

Have to wonder what the parents are like. "Son, here's a realistic looking rifle to play with around the neighborhood. Oh, also take this toy pistol and tuck it into your waistband. It is your right, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise, not even the police!"

I agree with the statist apologists, that for the crime of pointing around a toy gun, the punishment, for children, should be execution

Homeboy says

Vicente says

Yeah I wasn't there, but some past incidents play like this. Adrenalin and post-action edit of reports can make it seem like things played out much longer than they actually did.

Some do, but some play out like the cops said it did. I don't understand how you're ready to convict the cops of murder before you know any facts about the incident. Are you saying that if a policeman shoots a person, he is automatically guilty of murder?

Are you saying that if a neighborhood watchman shoots a person, he is automatically guilty of murder?
Funny how you are all on the band wagon when a cop shoots a 13 year old Latino boy who hurt nobody, but you want the death penalty when a Latino man shoots an aggressively violent young black man! Aren't you even concerned about what race the policeman was?

A good anecdote beats a 10,000-sample statistic every time!

As a human, I find I can draw all sorts of detailed and firm conclusions about society, the government, and how nothing is as good as it used to be when I was younger, from just one good horror story.

Who wants to argue over this one?

I'll start: we can't know what the police or the kid were thinking... blah blah blah... but if you disagree with me on the implications of this incident, you're a doofus.

Also: this incident provides support for my political preconceptions, regardless of whatever those actually are. If you disagree, you're simply a retard.

At least the story could have ended well if he were to have received a sky burial via turkey vultures devouring his corpse and releasing his soul.

Automan Empire says

I am no dead ringer for the cops, but in this case, what can anyone expect them to do?

Have you ever heard about warning shut into the air?

A pellet gun isn't a toy it's a gun that shoots pellets that can hurt people and put eyes out.
The adult that bought a replica AK 47 for their kid to play with should be shot repeatedly in the eye with it.

REpro says

Automan Empire says

I am no dead ringer for the cops, but in this case, what can anyone expect them to do?

Have you ever heard about warning shut into sky?

You mean a warning shot into the air? Bullets fired into the air do come down and at times kill/injure people. Warning shots into the ground could ricochet, and also kill/injure someone. There are also issues with trying to shoot someone in the limbs.

I am hesitant to believe a cops story unless it is backed by other evidence. Until more is known, I am on the fence as to if this was a tragic accident or trigger happy cops trying to cover their tracks with a fanciful Zimmerman style story.

Moderate Infidel says

A pellet gun isn't a toy it's a gun that shoots pellets that can hurt people and put eyes out.

The adult that bought a replica AK 47 for their kid to play with should be shot repeatedly in the eye with it.

It sounds like it may have been an airsoft gun. Also, the gun was missing the red tip identifying it as a "toy."

If we ever lower ourselves to take the side of a 13 year old "teen" vs a respectable member of law enforcement community, we will aid in the destruction of free market capitalism and will end up one step closer to muslim socialism. The fact that muslims fought the commies in afghanistan in the 1980s is completely irrelevant and besides the point. No commie afghan puppet graves were ever dug up and desecrated, it was a false flag planted by communists.

I'm an avid gun enthusiast but toy guns that look real are incredibly irresponsible. Kids shouldn't be taught that guns are toys.

For those who did not see the video of police shooting a completely harmless man in Dallas, I refer you to another thread

http://patrick.net/?p=1230995

Moderate Infidel says

I'm an avid gun enthusiast but toy guns that look real are incredibly irresponsible. Kids shouldn't be taught that guns are toys.

Yes, and from what I understand it is illegal to have a toy gun without at least a red tip -- many are made out of clear plastic, etc. (as was the hand gun tucked in this kids pants).

I don't think we know why this kids gun was missing the red tip.

dublin hillz says

At least the story could have ended well if he were to have received a sky burial via turkey vultures devouring his corpse and releasing his soul.

Thus spoke Zoroaster.

justme says

For those who did not see the video of police shooting a completely harmless man in Dallas, I refer you to another thread

http://patrick.net/?p=1230995

The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.

Quigley says

Are you saying that if a neighborhood watchman shoots a person, he is automatically guilty of murder?

Funny how you are all on the band wagon when a cop shoots a 13 year old Latino boy who hurt nobody, but you want the death penalty when a Latino man shoots an aggressively violent young black man! Aren't you even concerned about what race the policeman was?

When did I say those things? Do you perchance have me confused with someone else?

will the real AK please stand up...

Kid was told by civilian to get rid of the toy..

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sonoma-County-Deputies-Shoot-Kill-Boy-With-Toy-Assault-Rifle-228927441.html

Ismael Mondragon told NBC Bay Area that he saw Andy moments before he was killed with the gun in his hand. Mondragon said he warned the boy to get rid of such a real-looking weapon.

"I saw him with that rifle in his left hand," Mondgragon said. "And I said, 'Throw that thing away, the police are right behind you.' "

But Andy still had the rifle in his hand at 3:14 p.m. when deputies spotted him at Moorland and West Robles avenues.

REpro says

The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.

ALL of them?

thomaswong.1986 says

"I saw him with that rifle in his left hand," Mondgragon said. "And I said, 'Throw that thing away, the police are right behind you.' "

But Andy still had the rifle in his hand at 3:14 p.m. when deputies spotted him at Moorland and West Robles avenues

Darwinism strikes again.

freak80 says

REpro says

The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.

ALL of them?

My observation is that the dirty rotten liar rate is 100% when it comes to protecting themselves or their fellow "made men" brethren. If you are not in their gang you don't count.

Wow, nice Chinese knock off. To bad, but the kid should have done as he was told.

I've had two cops with guns pointed at my face with fingers on triggers, believe me .. I did what I was told, which was to take my hands out of my pockets very slowly and put them over my head.

everything says

To bad, but the kid should have done as he was told.

I think there is a good chance he did, or tried to. I would imagine he was scared.
What should this guy have done differently to save his life?
http://patrick.net/?p=1230995

I can see that, to scared to drop the gun, maybe being his favorite toy, possibly frozen with fear?, I can not disagree that he died thinking wtf did I do to deserve this.

Robert Sproul says

everything says

To bad, but the kid should have done as he was told.

I think there is a good chance he did, or tried to. I would imagine he was scared.

What should this guy have done differently to save his life?

http://patrick.net/?p=1230995

Well, this seems a little hinky:

A timeline released Thursday by the Santa Rosa police shows that only 10 seconds passed from the moment that the sheriff's deputy and his partner called dispatch to report a suspicious person to the moment they called back to say shots had been fired.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/26/fbi-to-investigate-shooting-of-calif-13-year-old/3231733/

Robert Sproul says

My observation is that the dirty rotten liar rate is 100% when it comes to protecting themselves or their fellow "made men" brethren. If you are not in their gang you don't count.

Nuestra Familia, Santa Rosa Gangland Norte14 Norteños

http://www.youtube.com/embed/X6U75M3joJg

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. http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120926/articles/120929653
Dozens of combat-clad police officers, deputies and federal agents swarmed a southwest Santa Rosa neighborhood Wednesday morning in the region's largest-ever operation against residential marijuana gardens.

A team of 150 law enforcement officers raided 32 homes off Moorland Avenue immediately south of the Corby Auto Mall, where the pungent smell of marijuana hung heavily in the air and backyard marijuana plants towered over fences in plain view from the street.

Law officials, who suspected gang involvement with at least some of the gardens, arrested 13 people on a variety of drug and weapons charges and seized more than 300 plants from 32 locations, said Sonoma County sheriff's Lt. Dennis O'Leary.

The raids began about 9 a.m. when FBI agents in full military gear ordered residents to leave, then rushed into their homes, most of them modest multi-plex units.

Soon the area was punctuated by the sounds of exploding flash grenades at several homes in the neighborhood, which is bordered by Highway 101 on the east and railroad tracks on the west.
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Live by the (toy) gun, die by the (toy) gun.©

thomas wrong.1986 says

The raids began about 9 a.m. when FBI agents in full military gear ordered residents to leave, then rushed into their homes, most of them modest multi-plex units.

What is your point? That this is the same kind of overzealous, militarized, response (exclusive to minority neighborhoods) that cost the child carrying a replica gun his life?
I would agree.

What's lost in all this blather is what dealing with the guttersnipes of the world on a daily basis will do to one's psyche. I sure would like some of the police haters here to take on their role for a couple of months and see how well you wear the stench of the world.
Robert Sproul says

freak80 says

REpro says

The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.

ALL of them?

My observation is that the dirty rotten liar rate is 100% when it comes to protecting themselves or their fellow "made men" brethren. If you are not in their gang you don't count.

SoftShell says

guttersnipes

Now the kid, murdered when he walked down the street and made a couple of cops nervous, is a guttersnipe.
Nice.
SoftShell says

I sure would like some of the police haters here to take on their role for a couple of months and see how well you wear the stench of the world.

The job of enforcing the oppression of the underclass and funneling them into the largest Gulag in the world?
Not for all the money.

Robert Sproul says

What is your point? That this is the same kind of overzealous, militarized, response (exclusive to minority neighborhoods) that cost the child carrying a replica gun his life?

I would agree.

in a gang infested drug peddling neighborhood, its not a good idea to be seen walking around with anything that looks like a gun.

no wonder the civilian gave the kid a good warning to get rid of the gun he was carring.

in a gang infested drug peddling neighborhood isnt is a good idea to go after
all these armed criminals. Isnt that what needs to happen in Chicago as well.

thomas wrong.1986 says

gang infested

thomas wrong.1986 says

drug peddling

thomas wrong.1986 says

armed criminals

You (and the body armored hard-ons in the picture you posted) need to calm the fuck down.
Maybe a puff of the Herbal Sacrament........

The Sonoma County coroner said he found seven "apparent entry wounds," two of them fatal.

Way seven shoots, just to be sure kid be dead. One is not enough?

thomaswong.1986 says

in a gang infested drug peddling neighborhood

Moorland Avenue in Santa Rosa doesn't seem much like the Bronx.

Looking at the timeline, the shooting took place awfully goddamn fast:

"A timeline released Thursday by the Santa Rosa police shows that only 10 seconds passed from the moment that the sheriff's deputy and his partner called dispatch to report a suspicious person to the moment they called back to say shots had been fired."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/26/fbi-to-probe-deputy-shooting-california-13-year-old-with-pellet-gun/

For reference, my time on an IPSC El Presidente drill was typically 7.x seconds, on a good day in the 6.x range. That's twitching WAITING for the start, when I know I'm going to spin and draw the instant I hear the beginning of that buzzer sound. Fire 2 rounds on each of 3 targets, speed reload, fire 2 rounds again, stop.

10 seconds for all the radioing, getting out of cars, shouting commands..... yeah this probably all happened WAY too fast for 13-year old kid to comprehend.

"HUH WHAT YOU MEAN ME?"

To their unfortunate credit, they got 7 rounds on target in this very short timeframe, with 2 of them being fatal wounds. I suppose that would have been great if he'd been a spree killer or something instead of a foolish teenager.

REpro says

The Sonoma County coroner said he found seven "apparent entry wounds," two of them fatal.

7 is how many rounds hit the target. 8 were actually fired, so one shot went wild. This is quite unusual, shootings typically involve many more shots going wild. E.g. recent NYC incident where police attempted to shoot some crazy guy on the street, missed every time, and hit 2 bystanders.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/15/nypd-officers-shooting-at-crazed-guy-tak

leo707 says

Yes, and from what I understand it is illegal to have a toy gun without at least a red tip

Per this story, the red tip had broken off. Plastic toys do break. Many of the guns of my childhood had duct tape fixing broken corners. Fortunately the many neighborhood "shootouts" of my youth never involved police.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/north_bay&id=9300434

Robert Sproul says

thomas wrong.1986 says

gang infested

thomas wrong.1986 says

drug peddling

thomas wrong.1986 says

armed criminals

You (and the body armored hard-ons in the picture you posted) need to calm the fuck down.

Maybe a puff of the Herbal Sacrament........

good luck with that.... this is what happens in gang infested areas. No different had
it been Chicago with its dreadful violence.

Jimmell Cannon Shot Eight Times By Police While Allegedly Holding A BB Gun

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/jimmell-cannon-shot-eight_n_909583.html

Jimmell Cannon was in serious to critical condition late Monday night at Chicago's Stroger Hospital, as the 13-year-old was riddled with bullets -- two in the hand, two in the shoulder, four in the leg.

The 13-year-old boy, whose parents describe him as a fun-loving, "straight A-B student," wasn't the victim of gang violence or a crazed attacker. Instead, the gunmen were Chicago police officers.

According to FOX Chicago, police arrived at a park near the Piccolo Specialty School where Jimmell attends to respond to a call of shots fired. They claim Jimmell matched the description of the shooter, so they came after him. He appeared to be holding a weapon in his hand, police say, and when they asked him to lower it, he refused. When he pointed the weapon in the officers' direction, they opened fire. Apparently, eight rounds were required to subdue the 13-year-old.

Police Shoot Woman Armed with BB Gun

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130927/pilsen/police-shoot-woman-armed-with-bb-gun

PILSEN— A 19-year-old woman was shot by police after pointing a BB gun at cops Thursday in Pilsen, police said.

Police responded to a call of a "man with a gun" in the 1000 block West Cullerton Avenue around 10:40 p.m. Thursday, according to a statement from police.

Vicente says

Moorland Avenue in Santa Rosa doesn't seem much like the Bronx.

if you noticed all the LA -- NYC gangs have spread nation wide by now.

http://www.fugitive.com/tag/santa-rosa-gangs/

MICHAEL LIRA AND 13-YEAR-OLD ACCOMPLICE ARRESTED IN SANTA ROSA FOR ALLEGED HOME INVASION ROBBERY
Published by Staff Writer on April 29, 2011

http://www.fugitive.com/2011/04/29/michael-lira-and-13-year-old-accomplice-arrested-in-santa-rosa-for-alleged-home-invasion-robbery/

Two teens were arrested Thursday after allegedly breaking into a Santa Rosa home, ordering the residents to give them money, and threatening them with a gun in what appears to be a gang-related incident, police said. Michael Lira, 19, and a 13-year-old boy are suspected of breaking into a home in the 900 block of West Avenue early Thursday morning.

http://www.fugitive.com/tag/santa-rosa-gangs/