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Hard to say without actually being there, but chances are, without the officer's action, the family would have two funerals to attend this week.

Not sure about the second and third alleged stun gun usage.

Calling thomas wrong.

Hey, there is a daffy statist position for you to take here buddy.
Explain and defend the triple tazering of the father (handcuffed, in the patrol car) and the threat of arrest of the mother in this catastrophe.

At least they didn't shoot him or digitally probe him.

Robert Sproul says

Calling thomas wrong.

Hey, there is a daffy statist position for you to take here buddy.

Explain and defend the triple tazering of the father (handcuffed, in the patrol car) and the threat of arrest of the mother in this catastrophe.

At least they didn't shoot him or digitally probe him.

Did you even read the article?

Not saying the tazering was correct or not...I don't know from the information provided. But your apparent interpretation requires ignoring multiple relevant facts from the story.

The police had no choice: the man, clearly black, was crazed with the evil ganja weed.

Negro hop-heads prowl our streets on reefer, looking to steal money for the next hit of precious THC. Their asses stuffed with weapons and their faces contorted with lust for our white wives and daughters, they completely overwhelm our police, 10 of whom are no match for the wild-eyed negro marijuana junkie, possessed, when high, with enormous strength, and impervious to pain!

dodgerfanjohn says

Did you even read the article?

Yeah I read it.
Based on my life experience, the chance of a man actually running into a burning building; very small.
The chance of police intervention, in any given situation, escalating your agony; significant.

dodgerfanjohn says

Did you even read the article?

Yes, the police electrocuted the father preventing him from saving his 3-year-old son who died in the fire. That's tantamount to setting the kid on fire yourself.

IDan8267 says

dodgerfanjohn says

Did you even read the article?

Yes, the police electrocuted the father preventing him from saving his 3-year-old son who died in the fire. That's tantamount to setting the kid on fire yourself.

No it is not. Not even close.

If a firefighter can't enter the house due to heat what makes you think an untrained panicked parent with no protective gear or breathing apparatus would be able to save the kid?

Game set match.
New Renter says

IDan8267 says

dodgerfanjohn says

Did you even read the article?

Yes, the police electrocuted the father preventing him from saving his 3-year-old son who died in the fire. That's tantamount to setting the kid on fire yourself.

No it is not. Not even close.

If a firefighter can't enter the house due to heat what makes you think an untrained panicked parent with no protective gear or breathing apparatus would be able to save the kid?

New Renter says

If a firefighter can't enter the house due to heat what makes you think an untrained panicked parent with no protective gear or breathing apparatus would be able to save the kid?

A parent is going to be a lot more motivated than a paid fireman. Never underestimate what a truly motivated person can do. In any case, it was the father's right to try. No justifiable law would prevent that.

I don't suppose the guy could have saved the kid. I also don't think he would have run into a burning building.
In what sense is it right for power tripping cops to restrain him and taze him into submission. There is no mention of his actions interfering with firefighters.

LOL@ life experience being evidence.

You did get one thing right...there is in fact no mention of his actions interfering with firefighters.

What you omit....is that maybe the guy was gonna kill himself running in, maybe there was interfering and it was just not included in the article, perhaps the guy was beligerent, drunk, under the influence, hysterical or who the heck knows.

What I do know is that the guys in this thread claiming the cops are abusing their authority or otherwise breaking the law, seemingly put themselves forward as analytical, critically thinking dudes.

And their comments in this thread are anything but.

Robert Sproul says

In what sense is it right for power tripping cops to restrain him and taze him into submission. There is no mention of his actions interfering with firefighters.

yes, running into a burning building is infact interfering with firefighters work.

every firefighter team have a plan and a way they attack a fire... there is a science and training to

their pre planned actions. once a civilian cross into their danger zone, their plans

are compromised. common sense ! hello anyone home !

Dan8267 says

New Renter says

If a firefighter can't enter the house due to heat what makes you think an untrained panicked parent with no protective gear or breathing apparatus would be able to save the kid?

A parent is going to be a lot more motivated than a paid fireman. Never underestimate what a truly motivated person can do. In any case, it was the father's right to try. No justifiable law would prevent that.

And it was the responsibility of the police to prevent the grief stricken, clearly-not-in-his-right-mind father from most probably killing himself for naught.

Look I would likely have done the same as that father had I been in a similar situation. My father lost his house in a fire a few years ago, we were lucky nobody was hurt in that event. I lived a short distance away and when I arrived the house was still burning. It was discombobulating to say the least and yes, had someone I loved still been in that house I would have insisted on going in myself even if I had on nothing but my birthday suit. That would have been suicide. I was later told a firefighter had been about to go on the roof to cut a vent in the roof when the roof collapsed. Had he been there at that time he woudl have fallen right into the inferno most likely to his death. Even firefighters with all their experience and training aren't immune to the whims of fire. Someone without that training, experience and gear is far more likely to die or at least need rescue as well. If the firefighters couldn't save that kid there is most likely no chance the Dad would have. The police are obligated by law to prevent someone from harming themselves so in that regard yes they were doing their duty.

It was a shitty situation all the way around.