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Looks like a scam, if you ask me.

justme says

Looks like a scam, if you ask me.

Cant say for sure, but doubt it considering this was sent to me by a friend and the guy mentioned is a friend of my friend who sent it to me.

Yes Obamacare is a confirmed Scam.
If anyone approaches you offering you free health care single payer system, with lolly pop choices at the check out clerk. It's a scam, contact your local Tea Party chapter, they have trained professionals to deal with these lies.

God, what a load of crap. "Because of Obamacare he was kicked off his insurance". How dumb do you think we are?

Homeboy says

God, what a load of crap. "Because of Obamacare he was kicked off his insurance". How dumb do you think we are?

so are you saying no one lost their insurance due to obamacare?

Miike says

so are you saying no one lost their insurance due to obamacare?

+?

Miike says

so are you saying no one lost their insurance due to obamacare?

Did I say that?

Look, it's impossible for a cancer patient to be "kicked off" his insurance because of Obamacare. In fact, Obamacare makes it illegal to do so. Prior to 2014, you could lose your insurance due to a medical condition. But now everyone has the same right to buy insurance, regardless of any pre-existing condition. That's like saying, "I got wet because it stopped raining."

Did they mean to say he had an insurance plan that was discontinued because it didn't meet the ACA minimum standards? If that happened, all he has to do is sign up for a new policy. Why would he need $500,000?

If you believe this guy was "kicked off his insurance" due to Obamacare, and now has to come up with $500,000 to treat his cancer, you are a gullible idiot.

Homeboy says

Look, it's impossible for a cancer patient to be "kicked off" his insurance because of Obamacare. In fact, Obamacare makes it illegal to do so. Prior to 2014, you could lose your insurance due to a medical condition. But now everyone has the same right to buy insurance, regardless of any pre-existing condition. That's like saying, "I got wet because it stopped raining."

Did they mean to say he had an insurance plan that was discontinued because it didn't meet the ACA minimum standards? If that happened, all he has to do is sign up for a new policy. Why would he need $500,000?

If you believe this guy was "kicked off his insurance" due to Obamacare, and now has to come up with $500,000 to treat his cancer, you are a gullible idiot.

As much as you accuse me of putting words into your mouth, you like to put words into many peoples mouths.

First of all, this guy never claimed he was kicked off his insurance because of his cancer. I think we all know millions of people lost their plans because of ACA min requirements. Perhaps he is one of those.

Secondly, no one claimed he needed 500K. Yes that appears to the goal that was set on the website, but NO one is asking for 500k. Most likely, this website requires some goal and 500K was a random number picked. If you want to assume he is asking for 500K, go ahead, but you might want to clarify this before attacking someone.

Thirdly, even if he gets a new policy under ACA, many people are having to pay much higher premiums (which may be the case for him) and even with coverage, he will likely require thousands and thousands of dollars out of pocket for which his insurance will not cover or just to cover the increases in premiums. FUrthermore he may need funds not associated with his healthcare but rather monies for just daily living. Perhaps he cannot continue to work because of the cancer? Who knows?... do you?

Therefore rather than being so defensive about the ACA, why not consider this guys particular situation and see that it is possible that 1) he lost his insurance because of ACA 2) he may need additional funds to treat his cancer even with a new plan. He may need funds just to put food on the table and pay rent 3) you are actually the idiot for calling others an idiot solely based on assumptions you have made...

There's no photo, no way to validate this guy's claims. The website is asking for $500k - so yea, he's asking for $500k. If he was asking for $200k, or $20k, or the $420.00 that he currently has collected, he would have said so

The site says:
"2 very young sons who are still in elementary."
"he has been kicked out of his insurance"
"So he can see his two sons group up..."

The misspellings are an indication of a scam. And how about the messages of support? They're as suspect as the rest.

Miike says

FUrthermore he may need funds not associated with his healthcare but rather monies for just daily living. Perhaps he cannot continue to work because of the cancer? Who knows?... do you?

1. What does that have to do with ObamaCare?
2 Why should I care? There is absolutely nothing about this that leads me to believe it's not a scam, even if it's been posted by the friend of a friend of an anonymous dude who's posting on an open forum on the interwebs...

Miike says

justme says

Looks like a scam, if you ask me.

Cant say for sure, but doubt it considering this was sent to me by a friend and the guy mentioned is a friend of my friend who sent it to me.

Miike says

First of all, this guy never claimed he was kicked off his insurance because of his cancer. I think we all know millions of people lost their plans because of ACA min requirements. Perhaps he is one of those.

I never claimed he said that. But he did say he is a cancer patient and was "kicked out of his insurance." It's right there on the page:

Because of Obama Care he has been kicked out of his insurance and is unable to be treated for his cancer.

He didn't say his insurance plan was discontinued; he said he was kicked out of it. Do you have a psychic link with him that allows you to know what he really meant when he wrote something else?
Miike says

Therefore rather than being so defensive about the ACA, why not consider this guys particular situation and see that it is possible that 1) he lost his insurance because of ACA 2) he may need additional funds to treat his cancer even with a new plan. He may need funds just to put food on the table and pay rent

That's unlikely. If he were so poor that he couldn't afford food, he would most certainly qualify for a health insurance subsidy or even Medicaid. The scenario you describe just isn't possible.

Miike says

Secondly, no one claimed he needed 500K. Yes that appears to the goal that was set on the website, but NO one is asking for 500k. Most likely, this website requires some goal and 500K was a random number picked.

It's interesting that you seem to know so much about this person's specific situation even though it isn't stated on the donation page. You seem to believe you know what he "meant", even when it's not what he wrote. Also, you seem to have the same first name, despite the fact that you spell it strangely here.

Might you be the author of that scam donation page, coming here to drum up a little business for your scam?

elliemae says

The misspellings are an indication of a scam. And how about the messages of support? They're as suspect as the rest.

I find it hilarious you guys are so critical of this person and yet this is all based on stupid shit like this. Yes because there are misspellings, it must be a scam. WTF. Like I mentioned before, this is actually a friend of my friend. ALthough I cannot say I know this person directly, my friend knows of him and he claims that this is all true.

elliemae says

Miike says

FUrthermore he may need funds not associated with his healthcare but rather monies for just daily living. Perhaps he cannot continue to work because of the cancer? Who knows?... do you?

1. What does that have to do with ObamaCare?

2 Why should I care? There is absolutely nothing about this that leads me to believe it's not a scam, even if it's been posted by the friend of a friend of an anonymous dude who's posting on an open forum on the interwebs...

1. um, nothing. Does anything you quoted from me reference anything to that? IN fact it appears I specifically wrote that he may need money just to pay daily expenses, not even related to healthcare.
2. Has anyone actually asked you specifically to care? If you dont, just dont donate. It is really simple as that, but why be so critical of this situation especially since you cant even be sure of anything?

Homeboy says

I never claimed he said that. But he did say he is a cancer patient and was "kicked out of his insurance." It's right there on the page:

OK then explain exactly what you meant then? You refuse to admit anything but yet you imply it... so what do you EXACTLY mean? YOur argument is so full of crap because the very next statement you write again implies this...

Homeboy says

He didn't say his insurance plan was discontinued; he said he was kicked out of it. Do you have a psychic link with him that allows you to know what he really meant when he wrote something else?

You are right... but honestly if you someone loses their insurance because the ACA forced a plan to be discontinued, many people may simply write "they were kicked off their plan". If you want to get so technical about wording here, then you are clearing being disingenous.

No I dont have a psychic link with him and neither do you, however you were the one who suggested that this guy was talking about being kicked out of his plan because of the cancer. Its really funny... you suggest this, and then proceed to make arguments based on this implication made by you, not him. The first time I read this I just assumed that he was one of the millions who lost his plan because the ACA minimum requirements, which is likely what he was referring to.
Furthermore, if you arent sure of what he is saying, why even criticize him?

Homeboy says

It's interesting that you seem to know so much about this person's specific situation even though it isn't stated on the donation page. You seem to believe you know what he "meant", even when it's not what he wrote. Also, you seem to have the same first name, despite the fact that you spell it strangely here.

Might you be the author of that scam donation page, coming here to drum up a little business for your scam?

Now you are just being stupid.
What i know is only second hand as I mentioned. There is nothing I know specifically and never wrote that I knew specifics of this situation. So when you say I know specifics of this, you are total bullshitting.
I suggested different scenarios to prove that neither you nor I know what is going on here. Because in fact neither of us knows whats goign on, the only difference is that you think this is a scam and are attacking this guy.
Yes we share the same name... in fact we share the same name with thousands if not millions of other people out there.... therefore we must be the same guy. JUST a FYI, mike is not my real name.

FInally yes, by posting on pnet, Im hoping to make an extra 20 bucks from some unsuspecting person. Get real... next time dont demonize someone you dont know jsut to protect your beloved obamacare.

Lets all be honest, the only reason why you guys are even questioning the validity of this guys situation is because he criticizes obamacare. Rather than acknowledge that Obamacare did indeed force millions of people to lose their insurance, you would rather nitpick the exact wording and spelling to discredit this guy. You would rather criticize him than give him the benefit of the doubt. What a sad world we live in when your political affliation or beliefs weight more heavily than the compassion you have for another human being. As I mentioned Im not 100% sure if this is true... but just think about this. What if you guys are wrong... What if this situation is real? How big of an asshole are you guys?

Miike says

You are right... but honestly if you someone loses their insurance because the ACA forced a plan to be discontinued, many people may simply write "they were kicked off their plan"

No they don't.

Miike says

If you want to get so technical about wording here, then you are clearing being disingenous.

"Kicked off" means "kicked off". What's "technical" about that? You are clearly making things up. And frankly, I'm always skeptical about people who claim to be "a friend of a friend".

Miike says

No I dont have a psychic link with him and neither do you

No, I don't. That's why I'm going by what was written, not things I made up, as you did.

Miike says

There is nothing I know specifically and never wrote that I knew specifics of this situation. So when you say I know specifics of this, you are total bullshitting.

You have made several assumptions, for example:

" I think we all know millions of people lost their plans because of ACA min requirements. Perhaps he is one of those. "

" Most likely, this website requires some goal and 500K was a random number picked. "

"many people are having to pay much higher premiums (which may be the case for him)"

" even with coverage, he will likely require thousands and thousands of dollars out of pocket for which his insurance will not cover or just to cover the increases in premiums."

"FUrthermore he may need funds not associated with his healthcare but rather monies for just daily living."

"He may need funds just to put food on the table and pay rent"

There's 6 assumptions you made without the slightest bit of evidence for ANY of them. So who's bullshitting? And there's more than that, but I'm tired of copying and pasting. Naturally, I wondered how you could possible know all that stuff that isn't written.

Futhermore, if all these imagined scenarios of yours are true, like his needing money to buy food, then he should SAY that. There are definitely problems with Obamacare, but to blame Obamacare for the fact that you can't afford food is ridiculous.

Miike says

Lets all be honest, the only reason why you guys are even questioning the validity of this guys situation is because he criticizes obamacare. Rather than acknowledge that Obamacare did indeed force millions of people to lose their insurance, you would rather nitpick the exact wording and spelling to discredit this guy.

Ah, and now we see your real agenda. You are rabidly against Obamacare, and so you believe every lie that's told about it. That's why it's making you so angry that we called bullshit on this scam.

Homeboy says

Did they mean to say he had an insurance plan that was discontinued because it didn't meet the ACA minimum standards? If that happened, all he has to do is sign up for a new policy. Why would he need $500,000?

Because the ACA compliant policies available to him fail to cover

1. His doctors who may have been providing cutting edge treatment that are not in the smaller networks that go with individual ACA plans in many states.

and/or

2. The more expensive or off-label cancer drugs he was receiving (cancer drugs can run $40k per month).

which leaves him to cover the full cost.

Treatment for cancer can often run $1M which was a good argument for health insurance because without it most people would die.