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Looks like a scam, if you ask me.
Cant say for sure, but doubt it considering this was sent to me by a friend and the guy mentioned is a friend of my friend who sent it to me.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Jan 28, 2:02pm
Yes Obamacare is a confirmed Scam.
If anyone approaches you offering you free health care single payer system, with lolly pop choices at the check out clerk. It's a scam, contact your local Tea Party chapter, they have trained professionals to deal with these lies.
Homeboy
2014 Jan 28, 2:19pm
God, what a load of crap. "Because of Obamacare he was kicked off his insurance". How dumb do you think we are?
God, what a load of crap. "Because of Obamacare he was kicked off his insurance". How dumb do you think we are?
so are you saying no one lost their insurance due to obamacare?
Homeboy
2014 Jan 29, 1:32pm
so are you saying no one lost their insurance due to obamacare?
Did I say that?
Look, it's impossible for a cancer patient to be "kicked off" his insurance because of Obamacare. In fact, Obamacare makes it illegal to do so. Prior to 2014, you could lose your insurance due to a medical condition. But now everyone has the same right to buy insurance, regardless of any pre-existing condition. That's like saying, "I got wet because it stopped raining."
Did they mean to say he had an insurance plan that was discontinued because it didn't meet the ACA minimum standards? If that happened, all he has to do is sign up for a new policy. Why would he need $500,000?
If you believe this guy was "kicked off his insurance" due to Obamacare, and now has to come up with $500,000 to treat his cancer, you are a gullible idiot.
Look, it's impossible for a cancer patient to be "kicked off" his insurance because of Obamacare. In fact, Obamacare makes it illegal to do so. Prior to 2014, you could lose your insurance due to a medical condition. But now everyone has the same right to buy insurance, regardless of any pre-existing condition. That's like saying, "I got wet because it stopped raining."
Did they mean to say he had an insurance plan that was discontinued because it didn't meet the ACA minimum standards? If that happened, all he has to do is sign up for a new policy. Why would he need $500,000?
If you believe this guy was "kicked off his insurance" due to Obamacare, and now has to come up with $500,000 to treat his cancer, you are a gullible idiot.
As much as you accuse me of putting words into your mouth, you like to put words into many peoples mouths.
First of all, this guy never claimed he was kicked off his insurance because of his cancer. I think we all know millions of people lost their plans because of ACA min requirements. Perhaps he is one of those.
Secondly, no one claimed he needed 500K. Yes that appears to the goal that was set on the website, but NO one is asking for 500k. Most likely, this website requires some goal and 500K was a random number picked. If you want to assume he is asking for 500K, go ahead, but you might want to clarify this before attacking someone.
Thirdly, even if he gets a new policy under ACA, many people are having to pay much higher premiums (which may be the case for him) and even with coverage, he will likely require thousands and thousands of dollars out of pocket for which his insurance will not cover or just to cover the increases in premiums. FUrthermore he may need funds not associated with his healthcare but rather monies for just daily living. Perhaps he cannot continue to work because of the cancer? Who knows?... do you?
Therefore rather than being so defensive about the ACA, why not consider this guys particular situation and see that it is possible that 1) he lost his insurance because of ACA 2) he may need additional funds to treat his cancer even with a new plan. He may need funds just to put food on the table and pay rent 3) you are actually the idiot for calling others an idiot solely based on assumptions you have made...
elliemae
2014 Jan 30, 2:47pm
There's no photo, no way to validate this guy's claims. The website is asking for $500k - so yea, he's asking for $500k. If he was asking for $200k, or $20k, or the $420.00 that he currently has collected, he would have said so
The site says:
"2 very young sons who are still in elementary."
"he has been kicked out of his insurance"
"So he can see his two sons group up..."
The misspellings are an indication of a scam. And how about the messages of support? They're as suspect as the rest.
FUrthermore he may need funds not associated with his healthcare but rather monies for just daily living. Perhaps he cannot continue to work because of the cancer? Who knows?... do you?
1. What does that have to do with ObamaCare?
2 Why should I care? There is absolutely nothing about this that leads me to believe it's not a scam, even if it's been posted by the friend of a friend of an anonymous dude who's posting on an open forum on the interwebs...
Looks like a scam, if you ask me.
Cant say for sure, but doubt it considering this was sent to me by a friend and the guy mentioned is a friend of my friend who sent it to me.
Homeboy
2014 Jan 30, 4:07pm
First of all, this guy never claimed he was kicked off his insurance because of his cancer. I think we all know millions of people lost their plans because of ACA min requirements. Perhaps he is one of those.
I never claimed he said that. But he did say he is a cancer patient and was "kicked out of his insurance." It's right there on the page:
Because of Obama Care he has been kicked out of his insurance and is unable to be treated for his cancer.
He didn't say his insurance plan was discontinued; he said he was kicked out of it. Do you have a psychic link with him that allows you to know what he really meant when he wrote something else?
Miike says
Therefore rather than being so defensive about the ACA, why not consider this guys particular situation and see that it is possible that 1) he lost his insurance because of ACA 2) he may need additional funds to treat his cancer even with a new plan. He may need funds just to put food on the table and pay rent
That's unlikely. If he were so poor that he couldn't afford food, he would most certainly qualify for a health insurance subsidy or even Medicaid. The scenario you describe just isn't possible.
Secondly, no one claimed he needed 500K. Yes that appears to the goal that was set on the website, but NO one is asking for 500k. Most likely, this website requires some goal and 500K was a random number picked.
It's interesting that you seem to know so much about this person's specific situation even though it isn't stated on the donation page. You seem to believe you know what he "meant", even when it's not what he wrote. Also, you seem to have the same first name, despite the fact that you spell it strangely here.
Might you be the author of that scam donation page, coming here to drum up a little business for your scam?
The misspellings are an indication of a scam. And how about the messages of support? They're as suspect as the rest.
I find it hilarious you guys are so critical of this person and yet this is all based on stupid shit like this. Yes because there are misspellings, it must be a scam. WTF. Like I mentioned before, this is actually a friend of my friend. ALthough I cannot say I know this person directly, my friend knows of him and he claims that this is all true.
FUrthermore he may need funds not associated with his healthcare but rather monies for just daily living. Perhaps he cannot continue to work because of the cancer? Who knows?... do you?
1. What does that have to do with ObamaCare?
2 Why should I care? There is absolutely nothing about this that leads me to believe it's not a scam, even if it's been posted by the friend of a friend of an anonymous dude who's posting on an open forum on the interwebs...
1. um, nothing. Does anything you quoted from me reference anything to that? IN fact it appears I specifically wrote that he may need money just to pay daily expenses, not even related to healthcare.
2. Has anyone actually asked you specifically to care? If you dont, just dont donate. It is really simple as that, but why be so critical of this situation especially since you cant even be sure of anything?
I never claimed he said that. But he did say he is a cancer patient and was "kicked out of his insurance." It's right there on the page:
OK then explain exactly what you meant then? You refuse to admit anything but yet you imply it... so what do you EXACTLY mean? YOur argument is so full of crap because the very next statement you write again implies this...
He didn't say his insurance plan was discontinued; he said he was kicked out of it. Do you have a psychic link with him that allows you to know what he really meant when he wrote something else?
You are right... but honestly if you someone loses their insurance because the ACA forced a plan to be discontinued, many people may simply write "they were kicked off their plan". If you want to get so technical about wording here, then you are clearing being disingenous.
No I dont have a psychic link with him and neither do you, however you were the one who suggested that this guy was talking about being kicked out of his plan because of the cancer. Its really funny... you suggest this, and then proceed to make arguments based on this implication made by you, not him. The first time I read this I just assumed that he was one of the millions who lost his plan because the ACA minimum requirements, which is likely what he was referring to.
Furthermore, if you arent sure of what he is saying, why even criticize him?
It's interesting that you seem to know so much about this person's specific situation even though it isn't stated on the donation page. You seem to believe you know what he "meant", even when it's not what he wrote. Also, you seem to have the same first name, despite the fact that you spell it strangely here.
Might you be the author of that scam donation page, coming here to drum up a little business for your scam?
Now you are just being stupid.
What i know is only second hand as I mentioned. There is nothing I know specifically and never wrote that I knew specifics of this situation. So when you say I know specifics of this, you are total bullshitting.
I suggested different scenarios to prove that neither you nor I know what is going on here. Because in fact neither of us knows whats goign on, the only difference is that you think this is a scam and are attacking this guy.
Yes we share the same name... in fact we share the same name with thousands if not millions of other people out there.... therefore we must be the same guy. JUST a FYI, mike is not my real name.
FInally yes, by posting on pnet, Im hoping to make an extra 20 bucks from some unsuspecting person. Get real... next time dont demonize someone you dont know jsut to protect your beloved obamacare.
Lets all be honest, the only reason why you guys are even questioning the validity of this guys situation is because he criticizes obamacare. Rather than acknowledge that Obamacare did indeed force millions of people to lose their insurance, you would rather nitpick the exact wording and spelling to discredit this guy. You would rather criticize him than give him the benefit of the doubt. What a sad world we live in when your political affliation or beliefs weight more heavily than the compassion you have for another human being. As I mentioned Im not 100% sure if this is true... but just think about this. What if you guys are wrong... What if this situation is real? How big of an asshole are you guys?
Homeboy
2014 Jan 31, 1:09pm
You are right... but honestly if you someone loses their insurance because the ACA forced a plan to be discontinued, many people may simply write "they were kicked off their plan"
No they don't.
If you want to get so technical about wording here, then you are clearing being disingenous.
"Kicked off" means "kicked off". What's "technical" about that? You are clearly making things up. And frankly, I'm always skeptical about people who claim to be "a friend of a friend".
No I dont have a psychic link with him and neither do you
No, I don't. That's why I'm going by what was written, not things I made up, as you did.
There is nothing I know specifically and never wrote that I knew specifics of this situation. So when you say I know specifics of this, you are total bullshitting.
You have made several assumptions, for example:
" I think we all know millions of people lost their plans because of ACA min requirements. Perhaps he is one of those. "
" Most likely, this website requires some goal and 500K was a random number picked. "
"many people are having to pay much higher premiums (which may be the case for him)"
" even with coverage, he will likely require thousands and thousands of dollars out of pocket for which his insurance will not cover or just to cover the increases in premiums."
"FUrthermore he may need funds not associated with his healthcare but rather monies for just daily living."
"He may need funds just to put food on the table and pay rent"
There's 6 assumptions you made without the slightest bit of evidence for ANY of them. So who's bullshitting? And there's more than that, but I'm tired of copying and pasting. Naturally, I wondered how you could possible know all that stuff that isn't written.
Futhermore, if all these imagined scenarios of yours are true, like his needing money to buy food, then he should SAY that. There are definitely problems with Obamacare, but to blame Obamacare for the fact that you can't afford food is ridiculous.
Lets all be honest, the only reason why you guys are even questioning the validity of this guys situation is because he criticizes obamacare. Rather than acknowledge that Obamacare did indeed force millions of people to lose their insurance, you would rather nitpick the exact wording and spelling to discredit this guy.
Ah, and now we see your real agenda. You are rabidly against Obamacare, and so you believe every lie that's told about it. That's why it's making you so angry that we called bullshit on this scam.
Did they mean to say he had an insurance plan that was discontinued because it didn't meet the ACA minimum standards? If that happened, all he has to do is sign up for a new policy. Why would he need $500,000?
Because the ACA compliant policies available to him fail to cover
1. His doctors who may have been providing cutting edge treatment that are not in the smaller networks that go with individual ACA plans in many states.
and/or
2. The more expensive or off-label cancer drugs he was receiving (cancer drugs can run $40k per month).
which leaves him to cover the full cost.
Treatment for cancer can often run $1M which was a good argument for health insurance because without it most people would die.
There's 6 assumptions you made without the slightest bit of evidence for ANY of them.
Yes I am making assumptions and did so purposefully to make a point to you. My main point in making these assumptions is to prove that neither you nor I know whats going on. The main difference between me and you is that I am make these assumptions to point out that there may be a real possibility that what he says is true and that he does really need assistance. You on the other hand make assumptions to criticize and attack this guy in a vindictive manner all because he spoke negatively of your beloved obamacare..
Futhermore, if all these imagined scenarios of yours are true, like his needing money to buy food, then he should SAY that. There are definitely problems with Obamacare, but to blame Obamacare for the fact that you can't afford food is ridiculous.
whoa wtf? first of all, perhaps he didnt write he needs money for daily living. So what? so now you are going to criticize him for not specifically saying what he needs money for? Again if someone has cancer, its not hard to imagine what money is needed for.
Furthermore, when the hell did he ever say he blamed obamacare for not being able to afford food? Talk about putting words into peoples mouths.
Ah, and now we see your real agenda. You are rabidly against Obamacare, and so you believe every lie that's told about it. That's why it's making you so angry that we called bullshit on this scam.
I think its clear that we see your true agenda... you have been a vehement defender of obamacare in every post I have seen of yours. There is no denying this. Had this guy never mentioned anything about Obamacare, I highly doubt you would even commented on this thread.
Rather, you now accuse him of being deceiving and basically call him a liar. This entire thread has become very little to do about obamacare and more about your continuous assault on this guy because of his dislike of obamacare.
THe fact is, you have no idea if this is a scam. In all likelihood, this is probably someone who truly has cancer and needs help. Unfortunately your views on obamacare have made you become just a spiteful and hateful person.
Why be such a prick and attack this guy? If you dont believe his situation all you have to do is not donate. Is there any reason to call him a scammer? LIke I said before, what if you are completely wrong? What if all he said is true? What if he is truly dying of cancer and leaving behind two young boys? Its truly sad the lengths people like you will go to make a political comment...
Homeboy
2014 Jan 31, 2:11pm
LIke I said before, what if you are completely wrong?
What if YOU are completely wrong?
Its truly sad the lengths people like you will go to make a political comment...
Yes, it IS sad. Sad that you would take a subject like cancer and turn it into a right-wing political rant. You don't care about the guy at all - if you did, your thread title would have been about an unfortunate person who has cancer. Instead it's just a cheap shot at Obamacare. YOU'RE the one who politicized this, not me.
Again, this is what I KNOW:
1. It is illegal to kick anyone off an insurance plan.
2. The only way Obamacare could be responsible for his plan being discontinued is if it were substandard, i.e. lifetime caps on coverage, extremely high deductible, doesn't cover hospitalization, etc. If this were the case, he couldn't have been getting great coverage for his cancer treatment anyway.
3. If it were canceled, he could get BETTER coverage from his state exchange. Pre-existing conditions are no longer an issue, so there is no impediment to doing so.
4. If he can't afford the premium, he can get a subsidy.
5. Even failing all that (which is impossible), the most he would need would be the cost to cover the premiums, which probably wouldn't be more than $4000 a year, yet he is asking for $500,000. Why?
6. If he lost his job and the money is for him to eat, pay rent, etc., then he shouldn't be blaming Obamacare.
Plus, the simplistic way it is written makes it look suspicious.
Anything else is just stuff you made up.
Yes, it IS sad. Sad that you would take a subject like cancer and turn it into a right-wing political rant.
Yes, I will take some blame in politicizing this. I am somewhat of a hypocrite in saying that only you politicized this when we both did, although the lengths that you went through to call this guy a scammer because you didnt like his comments on obamacare was pretty damn low. And please dont tell me you didnt politicize this especially when your entire focus on this thread originally was to defend obamacare at the expense of this guys credibility.
The main reason I posted was because it is sad to hear so many people lost their insurances, many of which now have to pay even more. NO doubt I am not a fan of Obamacare. I will admit to my mistakes, however.
LIke I said before, what if you are completely wrong?
What if YOU are completely wrong?
Perhaps, I could be wrong. If I am wrong, then I gave a potential scammer the benefit of doubt. However if you are wrong, then you are a complete asshole... I would argue though that you have the burden of proving that someone is lying, especially if you are calling them a scammer...
Homeboy
2014 Jan 31, 2:26pm
I disagree. The situation described cannot possibly exist, therefore the burden of proof is on HIM to explain how this isn't a scam.
I disagree. The situation described cannot possibly exist, therefore the burden of proof is on HIM to explain how this isn't a scam.
really? All this just cuz he criticized obamacare?
you are really sad...
BTW when you make claims against someone, then the burden is on you. Thats how the real world works...
Hope you enjoy your $420, scammer.
its so sad to see how your belief in obamacare would cause you to become so callous, insensitive, critical, insensate and uncompassionate toward another person...
When you have lost the ability to reason and think logically because of your blind faith in a cause, then its time to take a step back and reflect.
really the sad part about all this is that you took so much offense in this guys criticism of obamacare, you took it upon yourself to try to discredit him and make him look like a crook... why? all because you and he have a differing opinion on Obamacare. you are no better than any of our politicians, because this is in fact exactly what they do.
Homeboy
2014 Feb 1, 5:44am
its so sad to see how your belief in obamacare would cause you to become so callous, insensitive, critical, insensate and uncompassionate toward another person...
I think YOU are the one who is callous and insensitive. Anyone who would take a serious topic like cancer and use it for a cheap political slam like "Gotta love Obamacare", is a complete asshole.
If this person really did get "kicked of his insurance" because of Obamacare, and really has to come up with $500,000 to treat his cancer, don't you think the GOP would be all over this one, since so far, all they seem to be able to come up with is fake horror stories?:
How come this guy's name doesn't come up in any Google search other than the donation page? If true, this would be the holy grail for Republicans, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obamacare is an abject failure. Yet not a word about it is heard. That's because it's complete BULLSHIT.
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