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List o' evils in the United States, in no particular order:

1) Crime and Corruption
2) The Economy
3) Banker Bailouts
4) Abortion
5) Resource and Climate Problems
6) High Consumer, Government, and Corporate Debt

What most conservatives see when they read this list:

1) ...
4) ABORTION
5) blah blah...

Every liberal I talk to is deeply concerned about supporting the spread of homosexuality to every possible corner of the world.

In contrast, my conservative friends base their vote on a careful weighing of multiple issues, from abortion to abortion.

FortWayne says

If you watch the news even badly lately, you'll notice a pattern. Liberals are more concerned about gays in Russia, than about economy, well being, or stability of an American economy.

Since when is it a competition? Can't one be concerned about both human rights and the economy?

By the way, it says a lot about conservatives that they don't give a rat's butt about human rights around the world. There are some things that decent people just care about.

Liberals are all about robbing Peter and fucking Paul in the ass.

Conservatives are all about making sure Peter remains CEO and making sure Paul does not get an abortion.

Ceffer says

and fucking Paul in the ass

Shouldn't Paul get paid for his services?

What the liberal mutts fail to understand is that debt continues in perpetuity.

It WILL be the demise of this country.

Rome was ended by debt/inflation (inflation is a feeble attempt to handle debt) . At the beginning of their inflation their coins contained 95% silver at the end .5% silver. At one point only 1 of 26 emperors died of natural causes in one of the centuries of their existence, the rest died with their boots/sandals? on.

Germany was ended by debt/inflation following WW1 and going into WW2.

Zimbabwe will be ended by the debt/inflation that they got into from their civil war.

Argentina went to war because of the 600% inflation which was an attempt to handle their debt

The debt created by L fucking BJ in the Vietnam war created inflation that forced the US to go off the gold standard. The debt since 1971 will be the END of this country.

indigenous says

The debt since 1971 will be the END of this country.

That's odd, your chart shows the debt pretty much flat line 1945 to 1980 or so. then really heading up fast starting in 1981. What the heck happened in 1981? Oh now I remember, tax cuts. Damn that liberal nut president who cut taxes in 1981. What the heck was his name?

bob2356 says

Damn that liberal nut president who cut taxes in 1981. What the heck was his name?

Yup Reagan increased spending as well. Actually Clinton did a better job albeit with a lot of help from Gingrich. Either way it started in 1971 and went ballistic under Bush 43.

Not one of them is truly financially conservative... Maybe Ike was the most financially conservative of the most recent?

Debt doesn't even make El HydroCabron's list?

Debt will always be more than it has been historically.

epitaph says

Debt will always be more than it has been historically.

Not true from 1776 to 1912

indigenous says

Germany was ended by debt/inflation following WW1 and going into WW2.

Funny, I thought there was still a country in Europe named Germany.

indigenous says

What the liberal mutts fail to understand is that debt continues in perpetuity.

It WILL be the demise of this country.

Liberals want to turn the US into the next Greece. And when that happens, they will still blame Bush and demand even still higher tax rates to support their deadbeat clientele.

bob2356 says

What the heck happened in 1981?

We started importing many more things that we used to make ourselves. It's pretty much been all downhill since then.

indigenous says

What the liberal mutts fail to understand is that debt continues in perpetuity.

How to eliminate our national debt

We liberals aren't the reason the national debt is out of control.

epitaph says

Debt will always be more than it has been historically.

Unless you adopt "liberal mutt" plans like the one above.

tatupu70 says

indigenous says

Germany was ended by debt/inflation following WW1 and going into WW2.

Funny, I thought there was still a country in Europe named Germany.

So you mean the land is still there? The policies are not the same, they have not been in a war for quite some time...

indigenous says

So you mean the land is still there? The policies are not the same, they have not been in a war for quite some time...

No, I mean there is a country called Germany. Same as there was before WWI. How exactly did it "end"?

zzyzzx says

ndigenous says

What the liberal mutts fail to understand is that debt continues in perpetuity.

It WILL be the demise of this country.

Liberals want to turn the US into the next Greece. And when that happens, they will still blame Bush and demand even still higher tax rates to support their deadbeat clientele

We have a 100 trillion in debt if you include unfunded liabilities.

There is NO WAY we are going to repay that.

The progressives are just making noise that the conservatives then use as a feedback loop.

I was reading an article about the fall of Rome. The trouble was in their 3rd century of existence and it was caused by war that then caused inflation to the point of prices going up 1000%. When the invadors came into the country the Romans (the ones who were still there) regarded them as liberators. In that century 1 out of 26 emperors died of natural causes.

It is like deja vu all over again...

indigenous says

We have a 100 trillion in debt if you include unfunded liabilities.

An unfunded liability is NOT debt. It's not debt until the expense has been incurred.

Dan8267 says

indigenous says

What the liberal mutts fail to understand is that debt continues in perpetuity.

How to eliminate our national debt

We liberals aren't the reason the national debt is out of control.

Yes but wars theoretically are not permanent. Not that I'm a Republican.

You forget the magic of compounded interest brought to us by FDR, LBJ, and now Obama. That has more to do with the debt than the wars.

indigenous says

You forget the magic of compounded interest brought to us by FDR, LBJ, and now Obama. That has more to do with the debt than the wars.

You live in an alternate universe. Take a look at who is responsible for the debt again.

tatupu70 says

indigenous says

You forget the magic of compounded interest brought to us by FDR, LBJ, and now Obama. That has more to do with the debt than the wars.

You live in an alternate universe. Take a look at who is responsible for the debt again.

Tat

Putting this as kindly as I can, you don't know that you don't know. You are unaware of when, where, context, or what

FortWayne says

If you watch the news even badly lately, you'll notice a pattern. Liberals
are more concerned about gays in Russia, than about economy, well being, or
stability of an American economy.

If you watch the FOX news, yeah.

What a dumb premise; I'm surprised this thread got any action.

FortWayne says

If you watch the news even badly lately, you'll notice a pattern. Liberals are more concerned about gays in Russia, than about economy, well being, or stability of an American economy.

We've had this conversation before but I guess we're going to have it again.

The US and its constitution were created so that all people, no matter what their religion, race, sex, or sexual orientation- basically ALL of us as Americans- are entitled to the same basic human rights. Any idea or notion that these rights don't apply to all is not only UN-patriotic, but contrary to the US constitution, who's rights my relatives in multiple wars fought to maintain and honor. Enough of the nonsense.

zzyzzx says

Both of my cars are made in Michigan, one in Lansing, and one in Wayne. Were were your cars made? Clinton Signed NAFTA. No one political party is to blame for our crappy free trade agreements. Even you know that.

We now live in a global economy and most any car you drive today is made out of a combination of global components. Ironically we now export MORE Japanese cars, made right here in the US, than we import from Japan. We also export engines, transmissions, and other automotive components not only to Japan, but to Germany, the UK, and other various countries whom have their own automotive industries. My Dad's Toyota truck is a total of 89% domestically produced content and the last time I checked, Toyota Tundras were either the single "Most American" made trucks or close to the top of that list.

As of now not only do we produce cars and trucks for the Big Three, but also for BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, VW, Lexus... I think that just about covers it. So the bottom line... we produce a LOT of cars and a far greater variety of them than ever before, mainly because we are considered the most efficient and cost-effective manufacturing country in the world.

edvard2 says

We've had this conversation before but I guess we're going to have it again.

The US and its constitution were created so that all people, no matter what their religion, race, sex, or sexual orientation- basically ALL of us as Americans- are entitled to the same basic human rights. Any idea or notion that these rights don't apply to all is not only UN-patriotic, but contrary to the US constitution, who's rights my relatives in multiple wars fought to maintain and honor. Enough of the nonsense.

Preferential treatment is not equal treatment.

edvard2 says

We now live in a global economy and most any car you drive today is made out of a combination of global components. Ironically we now export MORE Japanese cars, made right here in the US, than we import from Japan

I want statistics on this. I mean, there is no such thing as a Lexus, Scion, or Mazda that is currently Made in USA. Our tiny exports don't make up for that.