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deepcgi says

It's culture. It's our shrinking proximity to one another. It's the shoving of culture against culture under increasing pressure. It's the violent, interactive and immersive entertainment we use as escapism.

No, it's guns.

bgamall4 says

bob2356 says

Would that be a zionist bolt of lightning or just the regular kind?

Regular. bob2356 says

Exactly which many area's have doubled this year? I don't know of any.

Many places were close to 40 percent gains in 2012-2013, not quite doubling. There were likely places where it came close. Greatest areas of increase were Phoenix, Las Vegas, etc.

No, they weren't. Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller price index rose 11.3% in the 4th quarter of 2013 compared to a year earlier. The Case-Shiller index for the 20 major metro areas rose 13.4%. The largest rise (and yes, it's a very large rise) was Las Vegas at 25.5%. San Francisco and LA also saw very large increases at 22.6% and 20.3% respectively. Phoenix rose by 15.3%:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303426304579404832837589354

Substantial rises by anyone's standards but still a far cry from your made up claims.

bgamall4 says

Many places were close to 40 percent gains in 2012-2013, not quite doubling. There were likely places where it came close. Greatest areas of increase were Phoenix, Las Vegas, etc

Doubled is 100%. I don't consider 40%, close to 100%, especially when the real number for the largest city rise is Vegas at 25.9%. I would be glad to buy your house and pay you 25.9% of the selling price. Shouldn't be a problem for you since it's close to 100%.

"It is a far better thing to remain silent and appear to be foolish rather than to speak out and remove all doubt" Mark Twain

I suspect one reason gun advocates are so wary of this debate about gun clip size is the seemingly arbitrary nature of the boundary between "ok" weapons and those with large clips that are too large.
Where do we draw the line, at 12 bullets? If 12, when we have a mass killing where 12 people die (or 24 if the attacker has two handguns), will people argue to reduce the clip size to 8? After all, 8 is enough for home defense, and that would save 4-8 lives in this hypothetical.

I don't know what the right thing to do is, personally. While clip size regulations and automatic gun restrictions and laws against grenades and other heavy weaponry seem reasonable to me now, does anyone *really* think that guns are the root cause? I certainly do not - by definition anyone who goes on a shooting spree has a metal illness of some sort, and I can't help but think we'd have more success by improving how we handle mental illness. If we're going to regulate guns, maybe we should focus on keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and those who live with them.

bgamall4 says

Houses, Einstein. Houses in many areas including LA have doubled within not much more than a year. It is a conspiracy and if you can't see it you are stupid, and your IQ is as a turtle's.

bgamall4 says

At the low end, houses that were going for 120k, for a brief time sold for as high as 190k or even 200k. There used to be a slew of houses under 150k in Las Vegas that are now over 200k

Houses In many places including LA have doubled isn't even close to being the same statement as if I look hard enough I can find (maybe, there is nothing but your say so) some houses in vegas that went up as much as 40%.

So if I have a turtle IQ that would make yours what? Plant life perhaps.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

No, they weren't. Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller price index rose 11.3% in the 4th quarter of 2013 compared to a year earlier.

You are correct, but from the bottom, 2009 or 2011 whichever you pick, to now some house prices went up in Las Vegas from 100k to close to 200k.

Er, I'm sure SOME houses in SOME PLACES have doubled in price since 2009, but that was not the claim you made, was it?

MattBayArea says

does anyone *really* think that guns are the root cause?

I certainly don't think guns are the root cause of violence; they just do a lot more damage than fists or knives or baseball bats.

MattBayArea says

I can't help but think we'd have more success by improving how we handle mental illness.

That's a start, albeit a very small one. We need to stop pretending mental illness isn't real. I've seen people on this very forum claim that mentally ill people would be fine if they'd just eat right. Denial doesn't solve the problem. At least ACA now says that treatment for mental illness must be covered by health insurance. In the past, it frequently wasn't even covered at all.

MattBayArea says

If we're going to regulate guns, maybe we should focus on keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and those who live with them.

There are 11,000 gun murders a year in the US. No offense, but I think it's pretty naive to think "keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill", and nothing else, is going to even put a dent in that number.

Call it Crazy says

Or better yet, how about focusing on the group that's doing the murders.

Good point, I'll go along with your call to ban guns for under 24 year olds.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Er, I'm sure SOME houses in SOME PLACES have doubled in price since 2009, but that was not the claim you made, was it?

That is what I meant. So thanks for clarifying my position Bigsby.

That's what you meant? Presumably that is why you said:

bgamall4 says

Ok, house prices doubled in the past year, Einstein. Is it a conspiracy? Of course it was.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

That's what you meant? Presumably that is why you said:

bgamall4 says

Ok, house prices doubled in the past year, Einstein. Is it a conspiracy? Of course it was.

Time flies fast Bigsby. I just knew that in some places house prices have doubled from the crash and you confirmed it for me, so thanks.

I didn't confirm anything you said. I refuted it. The fact you now want to pretend you said something completely different doesn't change that.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-stabbings-4-male-youths-1-female-dead-1.2610465

Calgary stabbings: 4 male youths, 1 female dead