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Honestly Carolyn I'm not even sure what argument you are trying to make.

Racism is bad? Racism exists?

I'm pretty sure most people understand that.

Don't judge people ad lump them into a category?

Again, I think most people get that.

My issue in this thread is ole homeboy jumping down someone's throat for making stupid statements when all that was needed is "hey capt, stop being such a dumbass". Instead we hear a whole mess of hypocritical crap spew from his keyboard, projecting nonexistent behavior onto others.

What you don't want to read my True Life Bio? That what I thought. I counter argue that Latinos want to hurt Asian woman and children. You guys want to start a lynching party because some crazy bad person tried to hurt maybe kill child of another race. That is in fact how many lynchings took place in the past. So no I will not stand by and see this type of lies and treatment of ANY race take place.

dodgerfanjohn says

"That's typical of what them coloreds do."

Said no person I ever met.

And that statement exemplifies projection cause you've maybe heard that uttered once in your life. But more likely you just made it up.

God you're fucking stupid. I didn't claim anyone SAID that. It's hyperbole. Look it up. The point is, you and your mouth-breathing conservative redneck racist buddies here take a story about a nutcase who flipped out and attacked someone, and try to turn it into an excuse to stereotype an entire race of people. Sadly, I don't think you're ever going to get this.

dodgerfanjohn says

My issue in this thread is ole homeboy jumping down someone's throat for making stupid statements when all that was needed is "hey capt, stop being such a dumbass". Instead we hear a whole mess of hypocritical crap spew from his keyboard, projecting nonexistent behavior onto others.

Truth hurts, huh?

So now Dodgerfan is claiming he never did any stereotyping. Isn't that special. WTF was this, then?

dodgerfanjohn says

Homeboy, let's go roll down Garvey Ave. Ill toss out a pinche chino and bet you laugh like a hyena.

For those of you outside the US southwest, pinche chino = fucking chinaman and is a super common Spanish language phrase uttered frequently by Chicanos, most often to female Asian drivers(actual ethnic/national background is unimportant...they are all china's...pronounced chee nuh, not China) wearing visors and driving like they're blind.

Carolyn C probably my post offended you but I was thinking mostly about actual Mexicans.
But, your point is well taken, some stereotypical impressions of different nationalities and races exist in Mexico. One reason may be the few foreigners living/working in Mexico.
Some Mexicans are also caucasian or "white" since a small percentage never married much outside their Spanish heritage. I met some of these people in my time in Mexico. The distinction is a bit of an issue within Mexico, northern Mexicans tend to be more educated, well off, European and southern Mexicans tend to be poorer and indigenous.
In Mexico there is a good amount of xenophobia, but for historical reasons it makes sense.
I know a nice small Mexican town with a great climate and location. For this reason, some Americans like it. I know a woman who has a Phd. in Anthropology from a Mexican university who did her thesis on the huge impact caused by Americans living among the Mexicans in this town. I laughed when I heard this, since all the American retired people I know just want to mellow out and keep a low profile.
I should have clarified previously, I was just elaborating on the subject but I don't believe that Mexicans are particularly racist or bigoted, but rather there was social stratification.

dodgerfanjohn says

Follow the golden rule and you won't have an issue.

He who has the gold makes all the rules.

Homeboy says in response to racist quote by the cap'n

You really are an ignorant asshole. Did you know that?

No, he doesn't know that. He's made it his goal to blame everything on the Liberals, including his racist views (as evidenced by his answer to you).

Back to the original thread - if homeless people aren't able to go to Walmart to beat up on 4 year-old Asians, exactly where is it open season on them (besides in some of the above posters' yards).

It wasn't your post that offended me as much as the posters headlines. This country has a bad history of cruel racial acts and I don’t want to see it perpetuate. I am actually full blooded Mexican/American. Both of my families have French bask and I came out especially light skinned. I myself have been discriminated against by my own people due to my light complexion so trust me when I say I feel your pain. The next time someone says something nasty call them out on it. The harder you make it for them the less like they will do it again.
I recently took some of my daughter’s new friends to a play in the city. They are Mexican drama lama geeks. One was a talented young actor, very intelligent and spent the remainder of the evening walking up to strangers performing magic tricks. The other was an outgoing girl, friendly and very complementary. They were the most adorable young people I have met. They were just so happy to be out on the town eager to see the world. On the drive back home (with my encouragement) they yelled to the people walking down the street of SF things like ‘I love you, will you marry me?’ Most of the people yelled back ‘I love you too’. They had the time of their life. I hope when it’s time for them to enter this world as young adults people will welcome them.

Which side of this are Filippinos on? They're Asian and Hispanic.

Homeboy says

Your limited experience does not constitute the experience of the entire world.

It's the same reaction clear across the continent here in Miami.
How do you think I know this stuff? It certainly isn't from reading Huffingtonpost.

Strategist says

You may have a point, but you do come across as racist.

Shame on you.

Shame on me for celebrating cultures?
The difference in me and you assholes is I LOVE the people I talk about.
I am impressed and infatuated by cultural differences. You assholes loathe them so much you want to expunge any existence of people's heritage and roots. You want everyone to sink to a lowest common denominator, of no winners, and no losers. While you prep your kids to be GREAT, and fight and scrap to get "Good Schools" for your kids, while producing a convoluted curriculum for everyone else and a sorry atmosphere for them NOT to learn in.
Shame on you fuckers.
I embrace it all, the good and the bad.
Sometimes it's beautiful, sometimes it's ugly, just like life.
Now get over your selves. Go find a real crisis. The kids are going to be alright.

Homeboy says

Bullshit. You took a story about an obviously crazy person and tried to make it fit your warped racist agenda. That's why you got 6 "dislikes" in very short order.

Hmmmmm... I wonder who else does that every time a White guy does or says something?

Seems to me that it's the Vietnamese that are attacking Asians:
http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-ships-evacuate-workers-vietnam-riots-104827984.html

Chinese ships evacuate workers after Vietnam riots

Around 400 other factories around the country were damaged or destroyed in mob violence, most in industrial parks close to southern Ho Chi Minh City. Many factories were not Chinese-run but Taiwanese or from elsewhere in Asia, apparently targeted mistakenly or by gangs intent on looting.

CaptainShuddup says

It's the same reaction clear across the continent here in Miami.

How do you think I know this stuff? It certainly isn't from reading Huffingtonpost

Selective reinforcement. You only believe what you want to believe. I have seen far more examples of anti-black sentiment from whites on this very forum (and you are one of the biggest offenders in that regard) than I have of anti-asian sentiment from hispanics. So what does that tell you? Wait, strike that - I'm sure it tells YOU nothing. What does that tell a rational, thinking human being?

CaptainShuddup says

Hmmmmm... I wonder who else does that every time a White guy does or says something?

How can I be racist against whites? I AM white, you stupid fuck.

Homeboy says

How can I be racist against whites? I AM white....

Think about it a while, and you might find the answer to your question. No one else can answer for you, and besides you would Ignore them if they did, but it does appear to be causing you a lot of pain.

@homeboy

Nice quote:
"Fuck you and fuck anyone who says you "have a point". Besides, according to you right wing fuckers, Latinos don't exist, right? Aren't you guys always screaming that Sotomayor is white?"

AH HA HA! HOMEBOY!!! You poor thing. So eager to be liberal that you pathetically attempt to deny reality. Um, sorry to burst your bubble, but Asians outperform Latinos in the U.S. economy to an EXTREME degree. And the fact that your example of Latino success is affirmative-action-beneficiary and government employee Sotomayor says it ALL!

"For Sotomayor, of course, affirmative action is personal. She’s said she believes she got into Princeton and Yale Law because of affirmative action, disclosing once that “my test scores were not comparable to that of my colleagues at Princeton or Yale.”

This woman committed a racially motivated hate crime. She should be fined $350 million and barred from receiving any U.S. government benefits for life. That'e the judgement of a grand jury.

Why is that every time you apply for a job, it asks if you are a Hispanic? It doesn't ask if you are black or Asian. So are Hispanic considered to be more disadvantaged than blacks and/or Asians??

Homeboy says

How can I be racist against whites? I AM white, you stupid fuck.

Given your username and pic, both suggest that you are black.

He's a uyghur.

boofieman says

AH HA HA! HOMEBOY!!! You poor thing. So eager to be liberal that you pathetically attempt to deny reality. Um, sorry to burst your bubble, but Asians outperform Latinos in the U.S. economy to an EXTREME degree.

Um, when did I say they didn't?

boofieman says

And the fact that your example of Latino success is affirmative-action-beneficiary and government employee Sotomayor says it ALL!

Where are you getting that it was an example of "Latino success"? It was an example of how the right denies the existence of hispanics as a seperate ethnicity on the one hand, but then makes generalizations about them on the other hand.

Perhaps you missed this thread:

http://patrick.net/?p=1242297

boofieman says

Asians outperform Latinos in the U.S. economy to an EXTREME degree.

Yes they do. They also outperform white people. And the Filipino children are the highest performing of all the Asian groups. So whats your point? I don't believe it is ingrained in the Hispanic culture to rise to the top. They could very well be comfortable performing average work and not have a desire for more. Or they may not believe it's something they can achieve. Growing up my family never spoke to me about college or someday becoming a doctor. My kids friends who are either Asian or Middle Eastern all talk about their families wanting them to become Doctors when they grow up. My culture was never that driven. Americans in general are not that driven. That's why we have a shortage of native born Doctors and Engineers in this country.

Carolyn C says

And the Filipino children are the highest performing of all the Asian groups.

Pretty sure that's not true. I believe California specifically breaks out test scores for Filipinos as opposed to other Asians sometimes, and they are generally a bit lower (which is why they're broken into a special category in the first place).

Carolyn C says

boofieman says

Asians outperform Latinos in the U.S. economy to an EXTREME degree.

Yes they do. They also outperform white people. And the Filipino children are the highest performing of all the Asian groups.

I thought it was the Chinese, Indians, Koreans, Japanese and Vietnamese.
In reality it's the Jews who are number 1 by far.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

Strategist says

Carolyn C says

boofieman says

Asians outperform Latinos in the U.S. economy to an EXTREME degree.

Yes they do. They also outperform white people. And the Filipino children are the highest performing of all the Asian groups.

I thought it was the Chinese, Indians, Koreans, Japanese and Vietnamese.
In reality it's the Jews who are number 1 by far.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

Now you did it. bgamall4 will start his rants about Yinon Zionism!

lostand confused says

Strategist says

Carolyn C says

boofieman says

Asians outperform Latinos in the U.S. economy to an EXTREME degree.

Yes they do. They also outperform white people. And the Filipino children are the highest performing of all the Asian groups.

I thought it was the Chinese, Indians, Koreans, Japanese and Vietnamese.

In reality it's the Jews who are number 1 by far.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

Now you did it. bgamall4 will start his rants about Yinon Zionism!

Well bgamall4? We are waiting.

I was looking at the API scores. So I stand corrected.

Carolyn C says

I was looking at the API scores. So I stand corrected.

I randomly picked an East Bay high school and Filipinos were 50 points below other Asians at that one (California High).

For your local schools, at Foothill, Filipinos are 75 points below other Asians, and at Amador it's 31 points below:
http://api.cde.ca.gov/Acnt2013/2012BaseSch.aspx?cYear=2012-13&allcds=01751010130583
http://api.cde.ca.gov/Acnt2013/2012BaseSch.aspx?cYear=2012-13&allcds=01751010130096

Strategist says

I thought it was the Chinese, Indians, Koreans, Japanese and Vietnamese.

Vietnamese is trickier and not a monolithic group because there are multiple ethnic groups within Vietnam. The Kinh (whom we'd consider ethnically "Vietnamese") are the largest, obviously, but there are also smaller groups who have made their way to the US like the Hmong.

Technically Chinese isn't monolithic either because obviously, there are more ethnic groups than Han Chinese in China, but most of the Chinese here are probably Han. The same is true for India. For example, many of the people in the Himalayan areas and Northeast India are more Tibetan-looking than Indian-looking and their languages come from Sino-Tibetan families rather than Indo-European (Indo-Aryan) or Dravidian ones. For both countries, most immigrants to the US came from certain parts of the countries (and speak certain languages) more than others.

The other thing I'd say to point out these groups aren't monolithic is that the composition of the immigrants can be different at different points. Those who have spent time in San Francisco know that some of the several-generation Chinese-Americans who live here can sometimes be some of the poorest too, whereas more recent Chinese immigrants and their children are often much better off. Those who aren't Chinese or don't spend a lot of time in Chinatown will most often see the poorer multi-generation Chinese-American folks in service jobs in fancy San Francisco hotels and private clubs.

People's job in their home country matters too. If you're talking about skilled labor or grad students from China or India, that's a highly educated workforce, and they tend to prosper here too. In contrast, many of the immigrants from Mexico are more like peasants there and are largely unskilled labor. As among the native population, your parents' socioeconomic status matters a bit.

Strategist says

Carolyn C says

boofieman says

Asians outperform Latinos in the U.S. economy to an EXTREME degree.

Yes they do. They also outperform white people. And the Filipino children are the highest performing of all the Asian groups.

I thought it was the Chinese, Indians, Koreans, Japanese and Vietnamese.
In reality it's the Jews who are number 1 by far.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

This "success" comes at a price. First, there's the cultural "tiger mother" syndrome and its jewish close cousin the obsessive schizophrenic mother. Then, there's the groupthink culture of shaming the child if they don't measure up to the extremely high performance expectations. Finally, there's lack of independent critical thinking that inevitably results as a result of conformity to group expectations.

I was going of memory from years back. But as I checked the scores you are correct the Filipinos are testing lower. My very very very bad.

Carolyn C says

I was going of memory from years back. But as I checked the scores you are correct the Filipinos are testing lower. My very very very bad.

Don't let it bother you. You should see some of the crap that gets posted here.

Strategist says

Don't let it bother you. You should see some of the crap that gets posted here.

Yeah, agree, at least you are willing to admit facts. :)

Carolyn C says

I have been the victim of several racial discrimination's.

Sound more like you've been part of a community.
You weren't a victim, everyone gets the shitty end of the stick sometimes. One day it's you because you're too brown the next it's me because I'm too white. Or just maybe it wasn't either of those, it was just because sometimes people are just being people and dissed us for reasons unknown.

The thing I notice the more "Progressive" this new generation gets and "Race" supposedly isn't an issue for them. They are more introverted and when they aren't being introverted they are more cliquish than ever. Sure it's a motley group or queers, blacks, chinks and crackers and muslims but they can be just as mean and nasty to someone who's not in their clique, as racial groups can be.

We might be able to beat the concept of race out of people. But people's basic fundamental need to gravitate around a short list of people that they really trust when shit goes down. Will always prevail. So it's not race, but it is still clans, gangs, clique mentality.

Just look how brutal they can be. It's gotten so out of hand, we've got a grown ass man 400lb Football quarterback crying about being bullied by his best friend.

And for once it wasn't about race. Now here's a huge black guy that could bend you and I in half, at the same time, feeling like he was being razzed by his best friend. But then never once made it about race. Instead it was about Homophobic slurs.

Don't you see?

We're all assholes! If it's not one thing to bitch about what your fellow man is saying then it's just something else. So we look for people we can seek out and commiserate about how fucked up everybody else is. Then before you know, they grow tired of your crap. Then before you know it, they're hanging out with a new Clique and you're on the outs. So what do you do?
Well you call him up and call him a big fat homo, because the "N" word would have been going too far.

Everybody could just use some more understanding.
Angry ugly people are just hurting, it's nothing personal, people are all on their own trip.

Carolyn C says

Yes they do. They also outperform white people.

I take umbrage at the generalization, because as was already shown, there are white/white Hispanics. There are black Hispanics. There are Mestizos with all different kinds of indigenous blood in them, mixed with all kinds of other ethnicities.

Yet, in most of Latin America, the caste system is the same. The whiter you are, the better--The greater your wealth, the greater your power.

It would be wrong to believe that the white minority that controls the machinery and divvies up the land does so because they are more driven. Being driven doesn't get you wealth and power, as is evidenced by the (not coincidentally) darker-skinned Latinos who migrate to America. They are extraordinarily driven people, not because of their skin color, but as evidenced by the shit they endure just to get here, and the arguably shittier things they have to do to stay (including dealing with racist assholes in America)

If it were a meritocracy, they'd have stayed behind with wealth and those currently enjoying unearned privilege would be at the other end of the heap.

I agree with your statement. I never like speaking for other Hispanics I just like to present a different perspective from one person.

CL says

If it were a meritocracy, they'd have stayed behind with wealth and those
currently enjoying unearned privilege would be at the other end of the
heap.

Brawn vs brain is a whole another topic.

corntrollio says

Strategist says

Don't let it bother you. You should see some of the crap that gets posted here.

Yeah, agree, at least you are willing to admit facts. :)

I never post crap. It's the other guys who do.

Strategist says

I never post crap. It's the other guys who do

I was referring to Carolyn, but point taken.

lostand confused says

Brawn vs brain is a whole another topic.

In the case of oligarchy, I don't see much of either.