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If artificial intelligence becomes superior to natural intelligence, all humans will be traveling, partying and pursuing hobbies. The money would come from what the smart robots produce for us.
But in the beginning, all it needs to be is smart enough, to replace many of the dumb white collar jobs out there. I mean c'mon, does the avg person use any multivariable calculus on his job?
If artificial intelligence becomes superior to natural intelligence, all humans will be traveling, partying and pursuing hobbies. The money would come from what the smart robots produce for us.
But in the beginning, all it needs to be is smart enough, to replace many of the dumb white collar jobs out there. I mean c'mon, does the avg person use any multivariable calculus on his job?
Most people cannot even add.
Most people cannot even add.
Thus, we need no where near the so-called Strong AI singularity to completely vanquish the current white collar job market.
Most people cannot even add.
Thus, we need no where near the so-called Strong AI singularity to completely vanquish the current white collar job market.
I didn't know what Strong Al is...had to look it up. You have to come down to my level. I know what multi variable regression and calculus is, because I did the shit. Like you said, not once, ever, did I have a need for it. I'm so glad I forgot it all.
You are right, the white collar job market with low skills is soon to be extinct. Look what happened to all the typists.
You are right, the white collar job market with low skills is soon to be extinct
Much of the white collar world is 'low' skills, even if they mimic themselves as high end.
How does a typically Oracle DBA think? 'What's the costliest SQL statement? What's the typical daily load?'
How about a tax consultant, 'What's the implication of a jurisdiction based transaction? How about applying those charges to another business quarter?'
The above can both earn six figures but for the most part, their real talent has little to do with creativity. They're a part of the whole 'dog & pony' show of corporate America. At some point in time, AI will replace many persons like the aforementioned despite not having reached the full intelligence of a so-called human, nevermind a Leonardo DaVinci.
You are right, the white collar job market with low skills is soon to be extinct
Much of the white collar world is 'low' skills, even if they mimic themselves as high end.
How does a typically Oracle DBA think? 'What's the costliest SQL statement? What's the typical daily load?'
How about a tax consultant, 'What's the implication of a jurisdiction based transaction? How about applying those charges to another business quarter?'
The above can both earn six figures but for the most part, their real talent has little to do with creativity. They're a part of the whole 'dog & pony' show of corporate America. At some point in time, AI will replace many persons like the aforementioned despite not having reached the full intelligence of a so-called human, nevermind a Leonardo DaVinci.
Many low level white collar jobs are more in danger of being replaced by low paid workers in third world countries, rather then robots. As the wages of third world workers rise, robots will become more of a threat, even to the third world workers.
How would a robot replace a creative mind like Leonardo Da Vinci, or even getting a simple idea? Creativity is a living thing attribute.
How would a robot replace a creative mind like Leonardo Da Vinci, or even getting a simple idea? Creativity is a living thing attribute.
The point is that Leonardo Da Vinci is not a 'job'. He's an independently wealthy person who follows his passions.
Back in Leo's day, he was sponsored by a nobleman. He wasn't an engineer for Honeywell corporation.
Today, most while collar types are corporate b*tches, not Da Vincis.
To be a Renaissance man, you need your own source of funding, independent of corporate things like billable hours or licensing revenues.
"I was reading a book the other day. It's all about civilization or something. A nutty kind of a book. Do you know that the guy says that machinery is going to take the place of every profession?"
--Dinner at Eight, 1934
Today, most while collar types are corporate b*tches, not Da Vincis.
In other words, Watson on a desktop = end of white collar-dom.
Sure, a lot of ppl will try to become salesmen a/o some-sort-of lead role but as in musical chairs, those jobs will not be open to all the displaced so-called knowledge workers.
In my actuary example, the two certified actuarial fellows, in place of running a dept of 25 persons, will simply have Watson do all the analysis, pricing, and projections for them. Even the two fellows could one day be replaced but for the sake of appearance and legal statute, it's better if the owners keep that skeleton crew around. So there you have it, 27 jobs compressed into 2. This will happen, industry after industry.
Why would the big 3 accounting firms need to recruit from a 100 universities when all those auditing tasks could be done by a Watson server? Yes, each of the remaining senior auditors will simply be the human face for the Fortune 5000 clients who want to speak to someone about their GL and compliance issues. Again it's a 10 to 1 compression ratio of former human jobs to future human jobs.
Again it's a 10 to 1 compression ratio of former human jobs to future human jobs.
Is no one worried? Or has everyone accepted my prognostication?
Yet despite all this talk of automation replacing human workers you can still walk into just about any pharmacy in America and have your prescription filled by a human staff. The technology to replace these workers already exists, the human workers command high salaries, the need for 24/7/365 mistake free, high security performance high, yet still there are very few robot pharmacists out there.
WTF?
You already have geniuses like Vinod Khosla advocating machines replacing humans as doctors - I'm sure it makes a good speech. The opinions of billionaires are broadcast no matter how stupid or insane they are.
But I don't see people addressing the basic problem: What happens to all the humans who can't get a job because technology has automated and/or replaced it?
I'm glad I didn't grow up in this era - it sucks.
But I don't see people addressing the basic problem: What happens to all the humans who can't get a job because technology has automated and/or replaced it?
What you don't seem to understand is that the heads of corporations, don't care about these cultural and macroeconomic issues. Their concern is their bottomline and their golden parachutes.
There seems to be this nonsensical notion that corporate execs care about maintaining a particular number of employees. Sorry, but that's just not the case.
What's going to happen in reality, is that the dystopia will kick in, before the politicians decide to go for the long term welfare state.
You already have geniuses like Vinod Khosla advocating machines replacing humans as doctors - I'm sure it makes a good speech.
there are some people who are lucky.. right place right time and their are real geniuses... Vinod is just lucky but not very bright.
The future of business will eventually eliminate production jobs, all the way down to stocking shelves.
Where one should be focused over the next twenty years:
-Engineering
-Marketing / Design
-Legal
-Plumbing / Electrical
-Care / services / therapy
-Research
Forget middle management and working your way up the Peter Principal org chart. If you are not skilled in one of the above it'll be a very bumpy ride.
Most people cannot even add.
Sure they can ... just let me get my calculator out here. Wait, the calculator has been replaced by this app on my phone so ... what was the question? Oh yeah, so now I have the app loaded up, what math problem did you have again?
I know what multi variable regression and calculus is, because I did the shit. Like you said, not once, ever, did I have a need for it.
But wasn't it cool to learn/finally know that you actually COULD divide by zero?
despite not having reached the full intelligence of a so-called human, nevermind a Leonardo DaVinci.
I dunno, you should SEE how creative some electricians and plumbers get when trying to get something passed for inspection. The ideas and the way they reason behind the ideas ... the very definition of creative.
I'm waiting for robots to replace Realtor's. How hard is it to open a door and tell the buyer what a great time it is to buy.
When are robots going to replace consumers? The human ones we have now are very ineffective at spending money and buying houses.
I know what multi variable regression and calculus is, because I did the shit. Like you said, not once, ever, did I have a need for it.
But wasn't it cool to learn/finally know that you actually COULD divide by zero?
I never learnt that part. Must have been sleeping in math class as usual.
But I don't see people addressing the basic problem: What happens to all the humans who can't get a job because technology has automated and/or replaced it?
What you don't seem to understand is that the heads of corporations, don't care about these cultural and macroeconomic issues. Their concern is their bottomline and their golden parachutes.
There seems to be this nonsensical notion that corporate execs care about maintaining a particular number of employees. Sorry, but that's just not the case.
What's going to happen in reality, is that the dystopia will kick in, before the politicians decide to go for the long term welfare state.
Oh, I understand that very well, it's just their insanity and stupidity as they megaphone it to the rest of us that I was noting.
Jaron Lanier has interesting things to say about this subject of automated jobs replacing the masses in employment. He even has a proposal that seems very reasonable: That we be paid in micropayments for all the data being collected (stolen) on us every day we live.
Yet despite all this talk of automation replacing human workers you can still walk into just about any pharmacy in America and have your prescription filled by a human staff. The technology to replace these workers already exists, the human workers command high salaries, the need for 24/7/365 mistake free, high security performance high, yet still there are very few robot pharmacists out there.
WTF?
The large mail order pharmacies probably work this way. your neighborhood pharmacy can't be setup to to huge volume like that
The future of business will eventually eliminate production jobs, all the way down to stocking shelves.
Where one should be focused over the next twenty years:
-Engineering
-Marketing / Design
-Legal
-Plumbing / Electrical
-Care / services / therapy
-Research
Forget middle management and working your way up the Peter Principal org chart. If you are not skilled in one of the above it'll be a very bumpy ride.
Wrong wrong wrong!
Young peole need to focus on what society actually values, not what it pays lip service to. This of course is to be attractive, preferably an uberhottie. This is the bare minimum needed for the REALLY lucrative professions:
Golddigging (there is no faster path to wealth than marrying rich!)
Celebrity
Sales
Don't let the dissapointment of what you were born with set you back, modern cosmetic dentistry and surgery can work miracles.
Yet despite all this talk of automation replacing human workers you can still walk into just about any pharmacy in America and have your prescription filled by a human staff. The technology to replace these workers already exists, the human workers command high salaries, the need for 24/7/365 mistake free, high security performance high, yet still there are very few robot pharmacists out there.
WTF?
The large mail order pharmacies probably work this way. your neighborhood pharmacy can't be setup to to huge volume like that
Why not? A robot pharmacy would likely have a breakeven point measured in at most couple years at most over a human run one. Probably less.
Sales
That's exactly where I'm at today.
When I'd started in this hedge fund work, I was in the quant/IT support side for our prop trading algos, developing point-in-time risk analysis tracking with taxable audit trails. You might say that that was a "real" job in a BS sort of way, as it's far removed from industrial R&D.
Then, as funds flowed in and auditing protocols were finalized, I was spending more and more time, yakking with clients, to help sustain and grow the business.
Today, that's nearly 100% of the my job.
So yeah, Sales! Sales! Sales! I'm not the Wolf but perhaps, a Bobcat of Wall Street :-)
I know what multi variable regression and calculus is, because I did the shit. Like you said, not once, ever, did I have a need for it.
But wasn't it cool to learn/finally know that you actually COULD divide by zero?
I never learnt that part. Must have been sleeping in math class as usual.
No point is staying awake for those university classes as that theoretical convergence of the denominator towards zero, is based upon continuous function where dx - > 0 and then, you have an analytical solution for a derivative.
Real world data is discretized, in the 1/2, 1, 5, 15 min demarcations and thus, the denominator has to convergence upon a low noise threshold, for the result to be applicable, otherwise, it's just a random blip.
And that's all I can say, the rest is all voodoo.
But wasn't it cool to learn/finally know that you actually COULD divide by zero?
Is that what you learned ? You're wrong. It's also still true that multiplying by zero always gives you zero. This is why dividing something other than zero by zero is absurd. (but 0/0 is undefined too - possibly only by human agreement since anything close to zero divided by itself is 1).
I'm guessing you made some strange inference about a false deeper meaning of a removable discontinuity or something along those lines.
Sales
That's exactly where I'm at today.
When I'd started in this hedge fund work, I was in the quant/IT support side for our prop trading algos, developing point-in-time risk analysis tracking with taxable audit trails. You might say that that was a "real" job in a BS sort of way, as it's far removed from industrial R&D.
Then, as funds flowed in and auditing protocols were finalized, I was spending more and more time, yakking with clients, to help sustain and grow the business.
Today, that's nearly 100% of the my job.
So yeah, Sales! Sales! Sales! I'm not the Wolf but perhaps, a Bobcat of Wall Street :-)
There you go - working in "hedge fund work" will completely remove any sense of reality. You won't even have to drink.
I never learnt that part. Must have been sleeping in math class as usual.
No point is staying awake for those university classes as that theoretical convergence of the denominator towards zero, is based upon continuous function where dx - > 0 and then, you have an analytical solution for a derivative.
Real world data is discretized, in the 1/2, 1, 5, 15 min demarcations and thus, the denominator has to convergence upon a low noise threshold, for the result to be applicable, otherwise, it's just a random blip.
And that's all I can say, the rest is all voodoo.
You are worse then my professor. Have mercy, please.
There you go - working in "hedge fund work" will completely remove any sense of reality. You won't even have to drink.
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Desire, desire, desire, desire"
-Bono U2
Most people cannot even add.
Sure they can ... just let me get my calculator out here. Wait, the calculator has been replaced by this app on my phone so ... what was the question? Oh yeah, so now I have the app loaded up, what math problem did you have again?
It's harder to use the apps then to add. Most people can't read either.
Seattle will be the first to have a massive robot invasion. They are doomed.
Seattle will be the first to have a massive robot invasion. They are doomed.
California is next.
Move over MMMARVEL, I'm coming to Texas.
Seattle will be the first to have a massive robot invasion. They are doomed.
Psyche'd, as minimum wage laws are enacted, the rise of robots will accelerate. Soon, they'll be no more jobs and we'll have every man, woman, and child on welfare.
Seattle will be the first to have a massive robot invasion. They are doomed.
Psyche'd, as minimum wage laws are enacted, the rise of robots will accelerate. Soon, they'll be no more jobs and we'll have every man, woman, and child on welfare.
The teenagers will have a different minimum wage. I was more concerned about that. The school drop out rate is too high, and teenagers getting a job is too difficult. We don't need the crime.
The teenagers will have a different minimum wage. I was more concerned about that. The school drop out rate is too high, and teenagers getting a job is too difficult. We don't need the crime.
I think we're doomed, as a society. There's lots of unemployment in the 16 to 25 year old age bracket. Thus, gangs will grow and there will a lot of petty crime, as time goes by.
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So yeah, Sales! Sales! Sales! I'm not the Wolf but perhaps, a Bobcat of Wall Street :-)
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