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Rather than taking responsibility for their bloody actions they always keep blaming the west including the borders that were drawn aroun WW1, but that's no excuse to be acting like religious/nationalist savages.
Maybe you should have told Europeans that from 1066 to 1945.
Strategist
2014 Jun 19, 4:00am
Rather than taking responsibility for their bloody actions they always keep blaming the west including the borders that were drawn aroun WW1, but that's no excuse to be acting like religious/nationalist savages.
Maybe you should have told Europeans that from 1066 to 1945.
The West just got civilized. The East has 500 years to go.
HydroCabron
2014 Jun 19, 4:02am
Maybe you should have told Europeans that from 1066 to 1945.
That's nit-picking.
Look at the Orangemen in Ireland: even they only parade to celebrate recent events, like the Battle of the Boyne (1690). I'm sure that by 2190 they'll let that one go.
These Muslims just don't learn, unlike Americans, who know better now to avoid endless Vietnams, and that after only a few dozen tries!
Maybe you should have told Europeans that from 1066 to 1945.
Very well, so when is the muslim world going to commence a period that will resemble western europe of 1946 till today?
Ceffer
2014 Jun 19, 4:12am
The Middle East is just the logical conclusion of Central L.A., gang warfare and tribalism taken to it's logical conclusion, baked over a few thousand years.
Welcome to Beirut USA.
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
The housing is too cheap!
Yes, for charging interest is haram....but killing people watching world cup soccer over failed islam quiz is quite all right....
Very well, so when is the muslim world going to commence a period that will resemble western europe of 1946 till today?
I don't know, but I'm pretty sure I answered your question in the title of the thread.
indigenous
2014 Jun 19, 5:23am
Apparently No private property
No rule of law
No consumer market
No economic compeitition
Welfare from the US killing any nascent economic activity
A very primitive economy
A very low level of trade in products and ideas
They are against science
Enforced borders that are not organic
stopping science and technology
In comparison look at Israel regarding these points.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jun 19, 5:45am
Apparently No private property
Right.
No rule of law
http://www.dubaichronicle.com/2014/03/09/uae-among-top-countries-on-rule-of-law-index/
No consumer market
Uh huh.
http://mallofarabia.com.sa/
http://www.bigprojectme.com/news/world%E2%80%99s-largest-shopping-mall-completed-in-iran/
No economic compeitition
http://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/press_room/2657.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/business/global/23russiaoil.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
A very primitive economy
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/business/international/once-a-humble-refueling-stop-dubai-is-crossroad-to-the-globe.html?src=me
Dubai is also THE international conference center, because of it's 8 hour or less deistance to just about everywhere in Eurasia and Africa, where the bulk of the world population lives...
A very low level of trade in products and ideas
Ideas maybe, products? See above. The malls are stacked with goods from trade.
They are against science
http://www.indeed.ae/Science-jobs-in-Dubai
Enforced borders that are not organic
Got one there for the most part, but some are organic, like Egypt and Iran.
stopping science and technology
See above.
In comparison look at Israel regarding these points.
Israel also gets billions in foreign aid, and is a tiny country of highly skilled immigrants who stole the land from the natives, and supported by a massive network of diaspora donors to boot.
indigenous
2014 Jun 19, 6:03am
Right.
Boy I sure got put in my place...
Don't you have any graphs to go with the pictures of the upper .01% of the middle east?
Have any shots of Egypt, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Beirut, etc?
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jun 19, 6:26am
Don't you have any graphs to go with the pictures of the upper .01% of the middle east?
You said "NO" private property, "NO" rule of law, "NO" consumer market.
I'm sure consumer goods spread beyond the .1% I'm pretty positive Joe Egyptian has cell phones, for example. In fact, they do:
http://www.kippreport.com/article/egypt-mobile-phone-ownership-passes-80-percent/
I'm certainly not arguing that the entire Middle East is a paradise or it has My Three Sons middle class living styles, but it certainly has private property and a consumer market; the rule of law greatly depends on who and where you are, but that's true in the USA, too.
Why should I prove your point -- shouldn't you be proving your own?
indigenous
2014 Jun 19, 6:30am
You said "NO" private property, "NO" rule of law, "NO" consumer market.
Another example of liberals only understand in literal terms
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jun 19, 6:31am
Another example of liberals only understand in literal terms
Sorry, I forgot what the definition of "NO" is.
Y
2014 Jun 19, 6:31am
The removal of Saddam did not lead to civil/religious war/strife. That already existed under him and his sons, in some respects worse than it is now. What the removal did was make public the atrocities there.
Looking back it is clear that removal of saddaam eventually led to civil/religious war/strife that resulted in thousands upon thousands of deaths/maimings and waves of terror.
indigenous
2014 Jun 19, 6:33am
Sorry, I forgot what the definition of "NO" is.
It is ok president hillbilly had a similar problem.
Why should I prove your point -- shouldn't you be proving your own?
Indignous prove his own point. now that's the funniest post in a long time.
indigenous
2014 Jun 19, 6:42am
Indignous prove his own point. now that's the funniest post in a long time.
And another example of the literal only thinker challenged.
Funny Stuff
What's wrong?
- A tribal society with a history of tribal war (us vs them mentality)
- A culture which reached its height of prominence 1,500 years ago and declined, creating some groups of people who blame others for their decline, creating a cultural ill-will towards others.
- Geography with scarce food resources, which leads to war over farmland.
- Oil, which in recent history made some of these warlike tribes extremely wealthy, well armed, and made them significant in world civilization.
- Might-makes-right attitude to power.
- Paternalistic society with women and girls being not much better than cattle.
- A widespread religion which is compatible with the cultural propensity for violence.
- European colonization efforts which were brutal. Many people were displaced, and these grudges persist across many generations.
- Financial support of various warring factions by foreign governments, increasing the levels of violence available to them.
I lived on the edge of the middle east in a muslim, arab area. There's no one thing that's wrong. It's a fucked up area with a long history of being fucked up. Saddam Hussein was a brutal oppressor who was secular and didn't stand for religious war, so he suppressed it, at the cost of other atrocities. Most people had peace under Saddam, and don't have it now.
We're in for a very long civil war. Think Yugoslavia or Chechnya. Libya will also be in civil war for a long time after the power vacuum that's been created.
Looking back it is clear that removal of saddaam eventually led to civil/religious war/strife that resulted in thousands upon thousands of deaths/maimings and waves of terror. It's pretty horrible that "butcher of baghdad" was needed to keep lid closed on all this mess and that in some ways his btural regime was successful at controlling this disaster at the point of a gun, mustard gas and acid bath. Seriously what is wrong with this region, why are muslim culture still acting this way? Rather than taking responsibility for their bloody actions they always keep blaming the west including the borders that were drawn aroun WW1, but that's no excuse to be acting like religious/nationalist savages.