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Rew
2014 Oct 3, 12:30pm
Do you think Obamcare was the right approach to handle the healthcare in the country? Ignore Ebola while answering this one.
I think you are confusing between a sustainable way of improving healthcare system in the country versus a rapid response required in time of an emergency.
As far as I can tell, you like a national healthcare system or a version of obamacare, but do not like national response to a pandemic like Ebola.
Right or wrong is the wrong way to think about Obamacare. It was something, anything, in the step toward healthcare reform. No, I am not a fan, but the opposition failed to present any alternatives and shape what we have today to be anything better. So, it is here, let's continue to work on it.
With Obamacare I was just happy we had healthcare on the table and were doing anything in that space. You are correct, a national rapid response to pandemic and nationalize healthcare aren't strongly linked ... but we are talking about the right species at-least ... and honestly ... before we talk about pandemic response ... there are far greater issues of urgency for the nation. Even with 1 case of Ebola in Dallas, and likely more coming.
Rew
2014 Oct 3, 12:33pm
The physical properties of the virus, the material it is made of, are dissolved, dispersed, broken up, so it is no longer in "Ebola" form.
Is this done by the antibodies in the survivors blood?
It's done by physically damaging the virus which can be : uv light, oxygen, water, drying out, heat, chemical disinfectants, and yes ... immune response. Ebola hits really fast, so typically, our immune response is too slow to fight it off. We die of massive systemic wide organ failure, and lack of blood pressure to feed our vitals. We essentially die of internal bleeding.
indigenous
2014 Oct 3, 12:36pm
It's done by physically damaging the virus which can be : uv light, oxygen, water, drying out, heat, chemical disinfectants, and yes ... immune response. Ebola hits really fast, so typically, our immune response is too slow to fight it off. We die of massive systemic wide organ failure, and lack of blood pressure to feed our vitals. We essentially die of internal bleeding.
Thanks
Vicente
2014 Oct 3, 12:42pm
there isn't a single person reading posts on Patnet today that can say what the outcome of the Ebola situation will be.
I can. I'll even put money on it. You?
The response to the first case of ebola in the US was less than inspiring. The second case will likely be very different. I don't see ebola becoming a major threat, with one qualifier. If ebola victims are contagious before they show symptoms, then the spread of the disease is a major threat.
Ebola can't survive 5 days laying on the sidewalk in the dallas sun or 1 day for that matter.
How long does Ebola live outside the body?
Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.
Temperature in Dallas right now is 75 degrees.
and exactly how does one keep vomit on the sidewalk liquid for 5 days genius? after it dries up we are back to your own quote about several hours.
How come you left out the second part of the paragraph that says uv light and oxygen kill ebola? Of course there's certainly no uv light or oxygen in dallas that I know of.
you're starting to sound like bigmouth arguing about 9/11.
Y
2014 Oct 3, 1:09pm
the bees suck it up and regurgitate it as flavored honey.
Why do you think they are all missing??
Temperature in Dallas right now is 75 degrees.
and exactly how does one keep vomit on the sidewalk liquid for 5 days genius?
Tenpoundbass
2014 Oct 3, 1:16pm
and exactly how does one keep vomit on the sidewalk liquid for 5 days genius? after it dries up we are back to your own quote about several hours.
How do you know that hot chick from 201 didn't walk her Schnauzer, and he licked it while it was still wet? Meanwhile she was on the cell phone handlin' some bidness(I was going to go young professional, maybe a realtor trying to close a house perhaps, but then I remembered they were in the hood), and didn't notice that her dog was mawing down Dried Codfish and rice puke chunks .
So she welcomed his doggy kisses when she got home and the dog licked her mouth?
What the fuck are you talking about? Who said it was on the sidewalk for 5 days?
The guy threw up on sunday. The powerwash picture was taken thursday. Sorry 4 days. I'm on the other side of the date line this month, easy to lose track.
How do you keep vomit liquid 4 days laying on a sidewalk in dallas? How does everyone that lives and works at the apartment complex as well as the cdc guys sent down help contain the virus manage to ignore the most famous vomit in the universe for 4 days? It's not like it wasn't on every tv, radio, twitter, internet, newspaper, smoke signals whatever 24/7 all week. Then after ignoring it for 4 days they sent out a crew to powerwash it? You really actually believe that?
Huh?? Bob, are you drinking heavily again?
No the how long does ebola live outside the body quote you've been throwing around time after time has a second paragraph you always leave off. At least the version I saw does.
So supposing everyone involved managed to actually ignore the most famous vomit in history, do you think after 4 days of exposure to uv and oxygen (yes there is uv and oxygen in dallas, that part was something called sarcasm, look it up) in a dried up pool of vomit ebola was still alive?
You probably would actually.
How do you know that hot chick from 201 didn't walk her Schnauzer, and he licked it while it was still wet? Meanwhile she was on the cell phone handlin' some bidness(I was going to go young professional, maybe a realtor trying to close a house perhaps, but then I remembered they were in the hood).
Then when she got home the dog licked her mouth while she was petting it?
That's at least as plausible as anything else you've ever written. Much more plausible than anything I've ever seen CIC write.
You forgot the part where she was actually an alien.
Vicente
2014 Oct 3, 1:26pm
How do you keep vomit liquid 4 days laying on a sidewalk in dallas?
Errrp!
Sorry that was my vomit. I am an infectious disease groupie, I had to fly into Dallas and mingle. For some reason on my way out I needed to do a big technicolor yawn. Sorry!
Tenpoundbass
2014 Oct 3, 1:29pm
To Vicent's point Flies are Vomit groupies, and their feet will pick up Obala then carry it off and land on someone's fried Chicken.
But that's even less plausible, everyone know's flies don't spread diseases.
Vicente
2014 Oct 3, 2:36pm
To Vicent's point Flies are Vomit groupies, and their feet will pick up Obala then carry it off and land on someone's fried Chicken.
I am very disappointed. I rolled around in their dumpster. No bleeding from any orifices yet. I was really hoping to spread Ebola enthusiastically through NorCal. Go to local parks find soccer games and high-five the teams, coaches and parents. Go to the buffet bar at local restaurants lean up under the hood and cough up some nice bloody sputum all over the food. I will keep y'all posted, I am feeling a little peaked so maybe my dream of being an agent of Survival of the Fittest will pan out after all.
indigenous
2014 Oct 3, 2:42pm
I am very disappointed. I rolled around in their dumpster. No bleeding from any orifices yet. I was really hoping to spread Ebola enthusiastically through NorCal. Go to local parks find soccer games and high-five the teams, coaches and parents. Go to the buffet bar at local restaurants lean up under the hood and cough up some nice bloody sputum all over the food. I will keep y'all posted, I am feeling a little peaked so maybe my dream of being an agent of Survival of the Fittest will pan out after all.
Tell me this mutt ain't a dope smoker...
Germany is currently treating their 2nd Ebola patient. The first one was treated in August and fully recovered. Let's hope this one recovers as well, they seem to be confident that they can cure this one as well with 24/7 treatment. They seem to be better prepared and educated. However these patients were flown in from Africa, i.e. didn't develop it inside the country.
Vicente
2014 Oct 3, 3:22pm
Tell me this mutt ain't a dope smoker...
Smoking of any type is DISGUSTING. I suppose if Sofia Vergara offered to share a cigar with me, I'd pretend to puff on it so I could ogle.
But I wouldn't inhale anything except her.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Oct 3, 3:40pm
I think the biggest problem in America right now, is the people smoking dope probably shouldn't, and those that don't, could definitely use some.
indigenous
2014 Oct 3, 3:44pm
and those that don't, could definitely use some.
But the reason they could probably use some is because of the dope smokers.
Right or wrong is the wrong way to think about Obamacare. It was something, anything, in the step toward healthcare reform. No, I am not a fan, but the opposition failed to present any alternatives and shape what we have today to be anything better. So, it is here, let's continue to work on it.
The opposition is a controlled one. They never really cared about the real solution.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/what-if-you-don-t-sign-up-for-obamacare-161218692.html
and honestly ... before we talk about pandemic response ... there are far greater issues of urgency for the nation. Even with 1 case of Ebola in Dallas, and likely more coming
Agree to disagree. I don't know if you have kids in school or daycare. I do. I don't care about myself catching it. But I do care about them. In fact, I don't want to see any kid in the country becoming just statistics because of callousness of a few individuals.
Rew
2014 Oct 4, 1:11am
Agree to disagree. I don't know if you have kids in school or daycare. I do. I don't care about myself catching it. But I do care about them. In fact, I don't want to see any kid in the country becoming just statistics because of callousness of a few individuals.
I don't desire anyone getting ill either, but the risks are so remote, with regards to Ebola in the US right now.
People can worry about it. Sure. And people are also worrying about enterovirus already spreading pretty rapidly across the country, or a thousand other much more likely communicable diseases for your little ones to pick up.
I have a three year old in pre-school/day care as well. Funnily enough he is ill this week with a typical cold. Missed going to school Friday.
I'm not losing any sleep over any of this, and I think the chances of Ebola getting to someplace significantly bad in the US are so far remote that I'm not going to be losing any sleep over it anytime soon.
I think it's fine to keep one eye on the news, but I also realize the agendas and general propensity to sell a big load of sensationalism out there. The last time we were close to this level of fear was with this incident ...
... which was so far overblown and self induced "panic". That one really just got sad. (One of my family members was so worried they were almost going to make purchases of iodine and meds off the internet. I had to talk them down.)
Don't let your "lizard brain" and "fears" get the better of you. Ebola, psychologically, is extremely potent in the US (and on the internet), but the actual health risks/contracting it are close to nil for you and I. It also has amazingly good odds to remain that way, indefinitely.
HydroCabron
2014 Oct 4, 7:15am
There are other viruses that are contagious before symptoms show. The experts claim that Ebola isn't until symptoms show. Since the incubation can be a week or two, and the infection is growing all this time, you would think the infected person could be contagious before symptoms show.
Wow. That's some cutting-edge virological research there. Large sample, high-correlation, with solid t-values. Publish that in Nature!
Just goes to show that these issues are best left to the folks who proved conclusively that Saddam had WMDs and saw a Romney victory through those skewed polls.
This is turning into one of my favorite right-wing morongasms.
BTW, what happened to the "Obama plays golf" outrage?
There are other viruses that are contagious before symptoms show. The experts claim that Ebola isn't until symptoms show. Since the incubation can be a week or two, and the infection is growing all this time, you would think the infected person could be contagious before symptoms show.
Wow. That's some cutting-edge virological research there. Large sample, high-correlation, with solid t-values. Publish that in Nature!
Just goes to show that these issues are best left to the folks who proved conclusively that Saddam had WMDs and saw a Romney victory through those skewed polls.
This is turning into one of my favorite right-wing morongasms.
BTW, what happened to the "Obama plays golf" outrage?
He's right, you can google the relevant recent studies yourself.
HydroCabron
2014 Oct 4, 7:57am
He's right, you can google the relevant recent studies yourself.
You seem to have a newer version of google than I do.
He's right, you can google the relevant recent studies yourself.
You seem to have a newer version of google than I do.
which references this study:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S36.long
Vicente
2014 Oct 4, 9:30am
BTW, what happened to the "Obama plays golf" outrage?
Teabaggers and Freepers don't have time for that any more.
They are too busy trembling in fear that anyone they touch might have Ebola, and pounding on keyboards about how Obama is clearly not qualified to handle the greatest threat the Republic has ever faced.
"We should man up and nuke Liberia...." is how Republicans show their humanitarian concern. They are all about alleviating suffering. Bonus points for brown people.
It's too much to expect the usual pleasantries.
HydroCabron
2014 Oct 4, 10:19am
which references this study:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S36.long
Which says jack-all about the transmission of Ebola by infected, yet asymptomatic people. It even reinforces the current consensus with this statement:
A study showed that direct physical contact with an infected person during the clinically apparent phase of illness was the most important risk factor for secondary household transmission of EHF during the Kikwit outbreak
"During the clinically apparent phase of illness" means when symptoms are present.
The study is about detection through skin antigens.
The finding of abundant viral antigens and particles in the skin of EHF patients suggests an epidemiologic role for contact transmission.
Was this the purple passage? It says nothing about when, in the cycle of infection, an infected person is contagious.
Which says jack-all about the transmission of Ebola by infected, yet asymptomatic people. It even reinforces the current consensus with this statement:
5 were asymptomatic for Ebola (they may have had other symptoms)
Was this the purple passage? It says nothing about when, in the cycle of infection, that the patient is contagious.
It's a risk, albeit low. Nothing else was claimed. Hence the recommendation in the first article to avoid close contact with infected (not just symptomatic) people. No reason to panic, but claiming that it cannot be transmitted until the patient is clearly sick is plain false.
HydroCabron
2014 Oct 4, 11:20am
5 were asymptomatic for Ebola (they may have had other symptoms)
They had ebola. They were dead - 18 of 19 of them. The paper says nothing about who they transmitted ebola to, or if there is any evidence that they did, or who transmitted ebola to them, and whether or not those people were symptomatic.
but claiming that it cannot be transmitted until the patient is clearly sick is plain false.
It may indeed be false. Got any evidence that it is?
John Bailo
2014 Oct 4, 4:44pm
I really want to worry about Ebola...but I smelled this horrible chemical smell coming through my bedroom window. Thinking it was my neighbors pouring something like carpet cleaner down the drain, I went out to inspect and yes it was in the air.
Then to catch a freeze breeze I took a drive around the neighborhood and it was everywhere. A chemical, acrid fume, suffused in light fog, that burned my eyes and throat. I had to travel around a mile to get away from it.
By the time I got back, 20 minutes later it had kind of dispersed but I still taste it.
The thing is, I experience pollution like this all the time, even on normal days. There is no way to complain, and no one to complain to. It must be some large entity dumping something, but how to find it. And raise your hands if you think that should I find it, someone would ever do anything about it.
When I hear about "international global crises" that may or may not affect me by some long odds, or some doomsday prophecy that we have no way of preventing even it were to happen, I have to say, "yes, but what about today, and the the here and now. What about fixing the things that should be fixed, and that make life worth living".
Put another way, when you live on a dung heap, you rarely worry about a skunk walking by.
Wow. That's some cutting-edge virological research there. Large sample, high-correlation, with solid t-values. Publish that in Nature!
The phrase "you would think" superceeds all scientific research for a certain subset of posters.
I think I'll concentrate on worrying about real risks. Like being hit by lightning while fighting off a shark attack.
PeopleUnited
2014 Oct 5, 1:48am
Rew said: "I think it's fine to keep one eye on the news, but I also realize the agendas and general propensity to sell a big load of sensationalism out there. The last time we were close to this level of fear was with this incident ..."
Too bad more people don't apply this reasoning to the climate change scare tactics as well.
HydroCabron
2014 Oct 5, 2:27am
Too bad more people don't apply this reasoning to the climate change scare tactics as well.
Yes: for now you can equate the two issues.
You shouldn't sweat global warming at this point. You will understand these things better later on, when you finish high school.
HydroCabron
2014 Oct 5, 4:06am
when you finish high school
Said the mutt...
You should be nicer to people with normal-sized family trees and four distinct grandparents. I know your family looks down on us - an understandable defense mechanism - but there are a lot of us, and we enjoy advantages like a full set of fingers and a chin.
indigenous
2014 Oct 5, 4:12am
You should be nicer to people with normal-sized family trees and four distinct grandparents. I know your family looks down on them - an understandable defense mechanism - but there are a lot of us, and we enjoy advantages like a full set of fingers and a chin.
Said the mutt,
BTW being a mutt has nothing to do with genetics, it has to do with swallowering the kool aid, without the slightest nod to validity.
Rew
2014 Oct 6, 5:54am
Rew said: "I think it's fine to keep one eye on the news, but I also realize the agendas and general propensity to sell a big load of sensationalism out there. The last time we were close to this level of fear was with this incident ..."
Too bad more people don't apply this reasoning to the climate change scare tactics as well.
Current Ebola Outbreak - Affecting individuals and small populations, killing currently 3000+ people. There are visible health affects that can directly be attributed to the disease and direct action being taken to control and stop the disease. There is a wide held, general plan, for containing and addressing the threat.
Climate Change/Global Warming - Potentially causes extinction of the Human race or dramatically degrades our way of life. Current symptoms are climate trend data and more extreme weather phenomena, and these effects are not personally immediate or as tangible. Lots of talk but only slight action being taken by individuals or a few countries. There is no general widely approved plan to deal with the threat.
No need to garner panic in either, but that's not an apples to apples comparison. Global warming and climate change, because it is a slow build up threat, with no current plan for sustained action to combat it, needs much more evangelism and pushing. Maybe a more fare comparison would be something like if everyone on the planet had heart disease and we could only cure each other by mass coordinated action.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Oct 6, 6:04am
Wait, the Freepers/Teabaggers have the balls to go after Obama golfing?
Wasn't there a recent President who racked up the all-time record for Presidential vacations?
HydroCabron
2014 Oct 6, 6:07am
Wait, the Freepers/Teabaggers have the balls to go after Obama golfing?
Yep. "Hypocrisy" is not an entry in the English-to-Teabagger dictionary, because they don't grock the concept.
The golf outrage replaced the teleprompter jokes that were no longer polling well in the Luntz focus groups. Interesting that the teleprompter was also a crutch of St. Reagan, no?
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While you dorks worry about Federal Reserve or the price of milk....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/20/ebola-west-africa_n_5515140.html