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Strategist
2014 Jul 30, 12:23am
Time for $20/Gallon Gasoline
We could already be paying that, maybe even $50.00 per gallon. Here's how....
Hundreds of billions of our dollars goes to the Middle East.
Some of it filters into the hands of terrorists.
We subsidize these governments who do nothing to stop their own terrorists.
We spend hundreds of billions trying to fight the Islamists.
We spend hundreds of billions in security from these terrorists.
We lose trillions in lost output after events like 911.
We are the biggest idiots on the planet.
Strategist
2014 Jul 30, 12:34am
It is a commodity. If you do not buy the Middle east Gasoline, someone else will. Wisen up. Unless you can have a Iran style sanctions, one gasoline is as good or as bad as the other.
If we use less oil and go for alternative fuels like natural gas we can make a difference.
Strategist
2014 Jul 30, 12:51am
It is a commodity. If you do not buy the Middle east Gasoline, someone else will. Wisen up. Unless you can have a Iran style sanctions, one gasoline is as good or as bad as the other.
If we use less oil and go for alternative fuels like natural gas we can make a difference.
Gee, I thought you were going to tell him to buy a Prius...
And don't forget to buy a Prius.
Uh, no. Just cause you arraigned your life, good for you. I do understand what you are saying BUT - did you forget all the oil we are now getting via fracking? Build the dang pipeline from Canada and import more from Alaska. I agree we don't need to subsidize the muslim countries but rather than raise prices to a stupid level, let's use what we have available.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Jul 30, 1:59am
If the world quit drilling Oil for 4 years, and the refineries all shut down. mmmarvel says
but rather than raise prices to a stupid level, let's use what we have available.
Well what's the fun in that? These unemployed jokers want to sit at starbucks and drink their $5 lattes they bought with their trust fund money, while they laugh at the mayhem and turmoil that $20 gas would bring.
They don't want to save the world, they want to destroy our Democratic civilization. They are nothing more than dangerous hooligan anarchists.
They can't even follow through with a movement as simple as OWS.
It was all just a big ole... "Hey Look at me, I'm hip and progressive too!!!!" pageant. When the cameras turned off, they all went home.
Capn' says;
"It was all just a big ole... "Hey Look at me, I'm hip and progressive too!!!!" pageant. When the cameras turned off, they all went home."
I'm as sick of the Left,Progressive talking points as I am of the Right.
HydroCabron
2014 Jul 30, 2:38am
These unemployed jokers want to sit at starbucks and drink their $5 lattes they bought with their trust fund money
Such class anger!
Why do you hate success?
New Renter
2014 Jul 30, 3:25am
Well its no suprise someone who lives 5 minutes from work, walks to shoppping and can make his kids walk/bike to school has no problem paying $20/gal for gasoline.
I wonder how willing you'd be willing to pay $10 for a tomato... or $100 for a pound of brisket. Or $10k for a cross country flight in cattle class).
deepcgi
2014 Jul 30, 5:44am
mmmarvel:
I agree completely. We don't even need to frak in Alaska. There always was self-sufficiency possible right here at home. My father was a designer in the 70's on the Alaskan pipeline project. I know a great deal about how and why the US signed the petro-dollar deal with the Saudi's instead of continuing the production plans up north. I can also tell you that it had nothing whatsoever to do with the indigenous or conservationalist populations' strenuous objections - however noble. It had everything to do with dollar dominance and reserve currency status.
I'm jumping ahead of the argument. It wouldn't cost anywhere NEAR $20/gallon to refine oil produced in North America. What I'm saying is I am absolutely positively willing to pay those prices - on moral principle if nothing else. At those rates, each individual turtle, albatross and caribou could have access to private masseuses.
In fact, you'd even find good ole boy southern truck driver types ponying up and buying "Proud to Overpay for Domestic Gas" bumper stickers, just to make the same point. Activists take notice! The chances of getting NRA Jim-Bob and his bowling buddies to fork over cash on the basis of Global Warming Panic instead is exactly ZERO.
I am embarrassed to be a human being with the behavior ALLOWED to continue openly in those cultures. I have not heard nearly enough outrage on the part of truly moral thinking citizens of those nations. Is there an Arabic word for "Militant Apostate Islamist Murderer" that isn't synonymous with freedom-fighter, martyr, rebel, or traditionalist? Why do I know the words "Jihad" and "Shahid" but NOT the one I'm searching for? Shouldn't it have been shouted from the rooftops by thousands of good people each time someone hides their high-explosives at grand-ma's house?
Eh, this thread will get buried anyway, ironically in the name of hate, because, in its political correctness, we have become gutless supporters of acts that are obviously evil even in the atheist anarchist's cookbook. There is no way Allah approves. Not a chance.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jul 30, 5:46am
How about charging highway taxes up front when you register a car?
That'll reduce car usage and ownership!
Tenpoundbass
2014 Jul 30, 5:49am
Such class anger!
In fact, you'd even find good ole boy southern truck driver types ponying up and buying "Proud to Overpay for Domestic Gas" bumper stickers
The chances of getting NRA Jim-Bob and his bowling buddies to fork over cash on the basis of Global Warming Panic
I'm as sick of the Left,Progressive talking points as I am of the Right.
Yeah but it only stinks when I fart aye?
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jul 30, 6:08am
How about charging highway taxes up front when you register a car?
That'll reduce car usage and ownership!
To the guy who disliked my post, probably a conservative:
What, I thought you guys liked Fee-for-Service taxation. You're always talking about it for social programs. Why not transportation?
The Original Bankster
2014 Jul 30, 6:28am
who do you think runs this pro-gas burning agenda?
the liberals try to paint a picture of some christian white male of course. It's the ARABS, they make ungodly amounts of money off this, they fund orgs like Hamas to make sure they have absolute religious control over oil producing regions.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jul 30, 6:30am
No shit, but the Arabs are in bed with US Oil Companies, who are their US Proxies.
Arbusto Energy was funded by Bin Ladens, for example.
deepcgi
2014 Jul 30, 9:59am
President Obama bowed just as low to the King of Saud' as the last man. He follows the playbook to the letter. Both sides corrupt.
$10/gal(native US) is pretty likely within the next decade. ME woes will eventually get into oil production. Tight shale oil will be short lived "flash in the pan" deal. Canadian tar sand oil is a pricey option too, low net energy, high capital cost.
The automobile age is in it's twilight phase.
Y
2014 Jul 31, 4:51am
Heterosexual sex requires no lubricant.
Deny ky jelly to anyone deviating from the norm and america can gas up off the fracking fields of pennsylvania and terminate imports.
New Renter
2014 Aug 2, 2:55am
And don't forget to buy a Priu
I have a Nissan leaf which is all electric.
If you don't mind the electricity coming from coal and NG this is a good domestic sourced solution. Provided you don't have to quickly drive anywhere beyond a 50 mile radius that is.
Strategist
2014 Aug 2, 3:01am
And don't forget to buy a Priu
I have a Nissan leaf which is all electric.
Send me your address in confidence and I will buy you a Starbucks Capuccino. - Gift card.
My e-mail....ilikepatnet@gmail.com
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Strategist
2014 Aug 2, 3:02am
And don't forget to buy a Priu
I have a Nissan leaf which is all electric.
If you don't mind the electricity coming from coal and NG this is a good domestic sourced solution. Provided you don't have to quickly drive anywhere beyond a 50 mile radius that is.
You are still polluting, but a lot less when compared to gasoline.
JH
2014 Aug 2, 3:13am
How about charging highway taxes up front when you register a car?
That'll reduce car usage and ownership!
To the guy who disliked my post, probably a conservative:
What, I thought you guys liked Fee-for-Service taxation. You're always talking about it for social programs. Why not transportation?
And make every road a toll road. This discussion was one of the most hypocritical of the 2008/12 elections. Can't wait to see what 2016 brings. Looking forward to 5165 GOP debates again.
New Renter
2014 Aug 2, 3:13am
And don't forget to buy a Priu
I have a Nissan leaf which is all electric.
If you don't mind the electricity coming from coal and NG this is a good domestic sourced solution. Provided you don't have to quickly drive anywhere beyond a 50 mile radius that is.
You are still polluting, but a lot less when compared to gasoline.
Yeah but that's AMERICAN carbon!
New Renter
2014 Aug 2, 3:15am
And make every road a toll road.
Why? I've only found toll roads add to congestion and make commuting that much more of a PITA.
Fuck toll roads!
Strategist
2014 Aug 2, 3:19am
And don't forget to buy a Priu
I have a Nissan leaf which is all electric.
If you don't mind the electricity coming from coal and NG this is a good domestic sourced solution. Provided you don't have to quickly drive anywhere beyond a 50 mile radius that is.
You are still polluting, but a lot less when compared to gasoline.
Yeah but that's AMERICAN carbon!
American carbon is far better then Saudi carbon.
The Leaf makes a very good second or third car. It's perfect for regular commuting like going to work, especially since you get to use the car pool lanes. I know someone who leased it, charges it up for free at work, and saves $10.00 each day on toll because he can go free with a Leaf. It's literally a free car.
JH
2014 Aug 2, 3:24am
Why? I've only found toll roads add to congestion and make commuting that much more of a PITA.
It's all part of the pay-for-use plan.
JH
2014 Aug 2, 3:28am
It's literally a free car.
Alt fuel cars (and associated R&D) are heavily subsidized by government funding. So is your buddy a maker or taker?
Strategist
2014 Aug 2, 3:36am
It's literally a free car.
Alt fuel cars (and associated R&D) are heavily subsidized by government funding. So is your buddy a maker or taker?
I'd say he is a "maker" Subsidizing these cars along with alternative energy is necessary for our future. One day we will get to eliminate pollution which costs us a tremendous amount in health care alone, and we won't be subsidizing the trouble makers in the the Middle East, who end up costing us fortunes in wars and security.
New Renter
2014 Aug 2, 3:40am
It's all part of the pay-for-use plan.
Which we already do with gas taxes.
Subsidizing these cars along with alternative energy is necessary for our future. One day we will get to eliminate pollution which costs us a tremendous amount in health care alone, and we won't be subsidizing the trouble makers in the the Middle East, who end up costing us fortunes in wars and security.
I believe that was the rationale behind the $535M for Solyndra.
Strategist
2014 Aug 2, 4:12am
Subsidizing these cars along with alternative energy is necessary for our future. One day we will get to eliminate pollution which costs us a tremendous amount in health care alone, and we won't be subsidizing the trouble makers in the the Middle East, who end up costing us fortunes in wars and security.
I believe that was the rationale behind the $535M for Solyndra.
If the Wright Brothers gave up with the first failure we would not have planes. It takes lots of failures to achieve one success, but that one success changes the world for ever.
Rin
2014 Aug 2, 9:24am
This is combined from the other thread on coal/oil ...
The process of converting coal to petrol is known as the Fischer-Tropsch synthesis. When the Nazis had lost the Romanian oil fields, they were still able to make gas for their tanks and vehicles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch
During Apartheid, when South Africa was facing international embargoes, Sasol Corp was able to sustain its nation's petrol needs by converting coal, since that was what SA had underground, without needing any imported supplies.
Here's Sasol site:
And within the US, there's already a build out, on a coal to gasoline facility, based upon what's Sasol's been doing for decades ...
http://www.transgasdevelopment.com/projects
It's scheduled to go live around 2016.
During the prior energy crisis, the 70s, the synfuel projects (the Fischer-Tropsch/Sasol corp operations and their variants) were on the drawing board, as there was an oil price shock. When the price of the barrel collapsed during the early 80s, all those projects were scraped. Now that the fear of an oil price collapse has assuaged itself, the synfuel projects have made a comeback and the first plant is under construction, as shown above.
From what I'd read, if prices stay at their current levels, synfuel shouldn't have a problem being economical but more important, it also makes it so that there really isn't an impending energy crisis, anytime in the near term future.
So here's my prediction ... if gas jumps to $6-$8 per gallon, Sasol Corp will move from Johannesburg to the USA, to build up to 100 of their coal conversion plants in this country, since our experience/expertise will be lacking in comparison to their many decades worth.
Ten years later, the price of gas will stabilize from $5 to $7 per gallon depending upon how traders and insiders, play with the data.
So the reality of the situation is that we won't be seeing a true energy shock, though we'll experience a lot of price manipulation. For example, let's say come 2030, a bunch of Sasol plants come online in the US, someone will spread rumors like West VA just had a catalytic fouling problem. And then, before you know, the price on the pump goes up by $0.5 even though the problem was just a misdiagnosis. And so on and so forth.
Thus, peak oil gets pushed off till the 23th century but in the interim, we continually get our chains pulled by crooked corporate goons.
Oilwelldoctor
2014 Aug 2, 9:34am
Wow!
Someone willing to personally sacrifice and with a solution that does not require destroying a culture, spending trillions, and killing hundreds of thousands in the process. How novel.
The militant Islamic asses in the Middle East have carried on their repugnant barbaric violence in the name of an apparently demented god for too long. They have had far too much of my money for far too long.
I've done a great deal to minimize the amount of gasoline I require in my daily life. I have a job five minutes from home, groceries and services are close by, and my kids walk to excellent public schools. It's taken ages to arrange. But it is impossible for me to completely avoid subsidizing these fanatical murderous human stains roaming the oil-rich sands that T. E. Lawrence bravely led back to sovereignty. It would have been better if the Brits and French had split the bloody sand pie between them.
I propose we develop a new brand of gasoline which we can buy regularly, and know with confidence was produced and refined on this continent. By all means disrupt the lifestyles of Alaskan beavers on the behalf of a noble enterprise.
I would gladly pay 20/25 (hell $50!) dollars per gallon knowing with a clean conscience that my personal petrol dollars (anyway) are staying right here in North America!
No, I'm not happy with Venezuelan unleaded either. It's less repugnant but nevertheless unsavory.
The hide-behind-grandma, innocents-beheading, women-abusing holy warriors have far far too much spare change. Let them them fight the infidels without my gas money, damn it!