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What pray tell do you need this kind of hardware for?

Don't you not have a bank or landlord to be surrendering your non food/clothing/gas income to?

Not enough jumpers and dip switches for me.

How many turbocharged porn sniffers does it employ?

I've got a Windows 7 box w/ 2.4Ghz Conroe & 5770, and got the upgrade itch.

This box should last through into the 2020s; at half the cost of a Mac Pro, it's a good value when amortized over its years of use (hobby (?) game programming and Maya).

In real terms, the $2100 in 2014 is $1100 in 1989 money, 1/5th the cost of my IIcx.

My thing is, I don't like desktop computers anymore. I just got sick of buying hardware and hoping that it worked with other hardware you already bought. The pulling your hair out to get drivers for it, after you upgrade your OS.
I can't count the Mother boards I bought of the internet back in the day that came DOA.

Nice rig. I'm waiting for windows 9 before I upgrade. Im still using the desktop I built in spring 2009 and it still runs amazingly well and i only spent $1200. The only upgrade I made since then is upgrade the ram and get windows 8.1.

Bellingham Bill says

Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro - 64-bit - OEM

$139.99

The problem is right here. Get linux and dump all the expensive hardware.

Microsoft probably provides $140 of value, when amortized over 5-10 years at least.

But with valve's Drang nach Linux I hear ya. I haven't actually purchased any Windows software in my life ever, well, other than Visual Studio 2005.

As for the build, I may drop the CPU down to the 3.3Ghz version (which is also gimped to 28 lanes) with an eye for updating when Broadwell-E comes out next year. $200 savings there.

Also, the 970 is benchmarking close enough to the 980 I guess, so that would be another $200 savings, again with an eye towards upgrading the GPU next year or whenever it makes sense.

The Noctua DH15 looks to be marginally better than the DH14, so I might go with that, too.

Bellingham Bill says

Just waiting for Windows 9 and the Samsung NVMe (hopefully 512GB) part now . . . and drivers to settle out a bit

So, when the time comes, do you build it yourself, or do you have a guy that does it for you ?

If NVidia going to select China as a manufacturer, within months an improved Chinese copy will hit the market.

Bellingham Bill says

But with valve's Drang nach Linux I hear ya. I haven't actually purchased any Windows software in my life ever, well, other than Visual Studio 2005.

SteamOS will be the death of Windows. Not only do you get what you want within an hour or so and no trips, and can pre-download before a release date for popular titles, but Steam as the big distributor will strongarm software companies into making Linux compatible versions.

My GeForce EVGA 460SE was a good deal, I paid $180 for it 3 years ago and it's still not worth replacing it with a midrange card, I'd pay about the same again for a midrange card only to get a marginal increase in performance.

My wife, who is a committed tablet/laptop user, just asked me for a desk and a desktop. Now that's she's in charge of the Department, she's got lots of reports to write. Too irksome on a laptop at a table, even one with a 16" screen.

Bellingham Bill says

I've got a Windows 7 box w/ 2.4Ghz Conroe & 5770, and got the upgrade itch.

This box should last through into the 2020s; at half the cost of a Mac Pro, it's a good value when amortized over its years of use (hobby (?) game programming and Maya).

In real terms, the $2100 in 2014 is $1100 in 1989 money, 1/5th the cost of my IIcx.

Don't forget to add a few hundred for a new monitor as well. You'll want at least a 27" 2550x1440. (Full disclosure, I got one a few weeks ago shipped from Korea and its fantastic!)

I put my old 19" monitor to the side on the second DVI port and rotated it 90 deg thus allowing three documents to be pulled up instead of just two.

It rocks!

thunderlips11 says

My GeForce EVGA 460SE was a good deal, I paid $180 for it 3 years ago and it's still not worth replacing it with a midrange card, I'd pay about the same again for a midrange card only to get a marginal increase in performance.

I like this website to follow graphics card performance:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php

I got a GEForce GTX 750Ti. It had a good bang for the buck ratio, is quiet and didn't need more than a 350W power supply (less heat). So far its done fantastic with everything I've thrown at it.

I also put in a 250GB Kingstion HyperX SSD drive. The XP boot speed went down from 3 minutes or so to 30s; however, the benchmarks suck - its performing about the same as a spinning drive. I did put in a SATA3 riser card so I'm not sure where the problem lies.

New Renter says

GTX 750Ti

that's the same "Maxwell" generation as the 900 series (oddly, nVidia skipped the 800 series this numerical go-around)

marcus says

do you build it yourself,

this will be my 5th Wintel build, third from newegg.

My first in the late 90s and from parts from T-Zone, a now defunct electronics superstore that was in Akihabara

http://en.akihabaranews.com/74871/highlights/t-zone-one-of-akihabara-most-famous-store-goes-under

they had an entire floor dedicated to PC parts, you'd carry your basket and fill it with the components you wanted, just like a Fry's here.

Before I discovered newegg in 2005 I really wished someone would invent it! So great having one-stop shopping and a semi-reliable review system.

Bellingham Bill says

New Renter says

GTX 750Ti

that's the same "Maxwell" generation as the 900 series (oddly, nVidia skipped the 800 series this numerical go-around)

Yep.

I don't need the latest and greatest though and really appreciate the low power consumption and quietness of this card.

Bellingham Bill says

Before I discovered newegg in 2005 I really wished someone would invent it! So great having one-stop shopping and a semi-reliable review system

Cool. I've never done it before, if only because of fears that I would buy some parts which weren't optimally compatible or that there could be driver issues. But maybe I'll try it next time. I think the lack of warranty is more than made up for the increased confidence one would have in dealing with problems on their own. Your basically covering the insurance on it yourself. Besides, I've got a guy that can help me with issues such as recovering data from a part of a bad hard drive that wasn't backed up (which should never have happened anyway if I was more careful).

drudometkin says

I'm waiting for windows 9 before I upgrade.

That did not age well.

MisdemeanorRebel says

SteamOS will be the death of Windows.

That did not age well either..

Good necro thread.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/oh-snap-wednesday-october-29-2025

Nvidia’s market capitalization now tops $5 trillion dollars, which is more than the gross domestic product of every country on Earth except America and China. The company’s value exceeds the combined GDPs of Canada, the United Kingdom, and Russia combined. So.

Not only that, but in a very astonishing and sort of sneaky way, Nvidia’s articial intelligence chips have literally become the most important manufactured resource on the planet. Every country is dying to get them, and they are seen as the key to military and economic dominance in the 21st century.

Nvidia currently controls an astonishing 94% of the global AI GPU market.

When Trump returned to office this year, Nvidia manufactured all of its flagship chips in Taiwan. Taiwan is a tiny island just off China’s Eastern coast, as far from America as you can get. On every day that ends in a “-y”, the tiny island nation is surrounded by a dense ring of Chinese warships and submarines conducting “routine military exercises” and firing warning shots to “clear out the carbon buildup.”

Put in lay English: it’s not exactly a stable situation.

You may recall that, by the end of Biden’s term, we were about ten seconds from starting World War III with China over Taiwan, with U.S. admirals publicly threatening China with “drone hellscapes,” which is even worse than a SNAP hellscape of 42 million hungry Snappers holding zero-balance EBT cards. ...

Put simply, the best idea that Biden’s five neurons could come up with to defend America’s access to AI chips was to haul us to the brink of global thermonuclear war with the Chinese. But President Trump solved the problem in minutes using a non-hellscaped tariff dashboard. It only took about +15% to do it.

The first thing that President Trump asked me for is bring manufacturing back,” CEO Huang told reporters this week. “Bring manufacturing back because it’s necessary for national security. Bring manufacturing back because we want the jobs. We want that to be part of the economy.”

Trump didn’t just ask. The Administration threatened, and in some cases imposed, high tariffs (up to 100%) on imported chips this year as part of his broader “re-industrialization” push, and to force semiconductor giants —including Nvidia— to build and expand production within the U.S.

Sticks and carrots. In its final days in January, Biden’s Autopen signed a new “diffusion rule,” a package of onerous regulations and export restrictions placed on AI developers including Nvidia. They hated it. Trump rescinded Biden rules in May, right around the time Nvidia announced it was willing to invest in US production.

“We’re all in on the idea,” Huang enthused at the time. “We’re setting up plants and encouraging our partners from around the world to invest in the United States, and we have a lot of exciting stuff going on.”

Yesterday, at a company conference, CEO Huang said that its Blackwell graphics processing units —the company’s fastest AI chips— are now in full production in Arizona. In other words, they’ve been completely relocated from Taiwan to Pheonix, where the plant will be much less likely to spark a civilization-ending war.

Let us count all the ways American wins. First, the biggest and most important company in the world just moved its manufacturing to the US, adding its heft to our GDP. Second, it removes the advanced AI chipmaking from China’s orbit, both strategically advantaging us and lowering the kinetic conflict temperature all across the Pacific basin. Finally, it means construction and jobs and taxes and all sorts of new economic activity for America.

I do not believe anything like this kind of rapid onshoring —in mere months!— of the world’s biggest and most strategically important company has ever happened in American history, or anyone else’s history, for that matter. Past U.S. “industrial revolutions” (steel, cars, information age, tech) and even emergency wartime mobilizations (WWII Detroit’s “arsenal of democracy”) took years, sometimes decades, to redirect the world’s most advanced manufacturing into the U.S..

No single president has ever convinced the world’s largest, most technologically advanced private company to physically relocate this level of high-tech, strategic production so rapidly or at such scale. Huang himself called the U.S. onshoring event a world-historic “industrial revolution.” Even the biggest corporate mergers of the 19th–20th century “trusts” (e.g., U.S. Steel, Rockefeller’s Standard Oil) were gradual consolidations for efficiency— not physical production moves across oceans.

This is exactly the kind of historic accomplishment that puts stuffing in Trump’s soaring promises of a “new Golden Age.” For years, U.S. politicians talked about rebuilding domestic manufacturing and ending reliance on foreign supply chains, but actual high-tech onshoring remained vaporware.

But Trump just went ahead and did it, without firing a shot, literally reshaping global supply chains and the balance of power in record time. He did it seemingly effortlessly, while doing about a million other things at the same time. What can we say about Donald Trump? He’s quickly moving beyond comparison to any previous American president.

@patrick the article is quite misleading. At least with respect to times.

Patrick says

I do not believe anything like this kind of rapid onshoring —in mere months!

I don't believe it only took months to build the fab in Arizona. But. Virtually everything it relies on still needs to be shipped here from Asia. We don't make the ultra pure chemicals that are required among many other things. The lithography equipment if I recall comes from Norway, if I'm wrong it's one of the other Nordic companies. I'm okay with that as it's not near China (is asshoe).

I'm happy about it for sure but the documentary I watched about it I think said it'll take a minimum of 10 years before that place is self sufficient. I hope they get the lead out and ramp that up asap!

I've watched them steal all manner of biotech technology and have read about the other stuff we've all heard about but producing the best modern chips if I understand correctly is the most difficult tech on the planet. It's the last thing those fucker haven't been able to steal yet.

Yes, I also think it's a more of a change in direction than an accomplished fact.

The dilemma is between efficiency and independence.

It's more efficient to get the biggest possible economies of scale, which usually means producing in China.

But then we're dependent on China, and they can control us.

If you're a globalist billionaire who doesn't care about America, you go for the money. You'll be OK even if America isn't.

But if you care about America, it is unacceptable to be dependent on China, no matter how much money you can make.

Idk but the current chips use 5 nanometer process or even 3. I am not sure if the US facility has that capability. Stabilization and getting better yields takes time. It’s hard to think that it can happen in months. One possibility is setting up older generations like more than 10nm could be plausible in less time frame! But that is not comparable to the last generation chips.
Its possible that some time sensitive information is very confidential to release to the press!

It has 3nm capability. It's making the latest chips.

Patrick says

If you're a globalist billionaire who doesn't care about America, you go for the money. You'll be OK even if America isn't.

But if you care about America, it is unacceptable to be dependent on China, no matter how much money you can make.

"Bringing China into the WTO and normalizing trade will strengthen those who fight for the environment, for labor standards, for human rights, for the rule of law... at this stage in China's development, we will have more positive influence with an outstretched hand than with a clenched fist"

"For the first time, our companies will be able to sell and distribute products in China made by workers here in America without being forced to relocate manufacturing to China... We'll be able to export products without exporting jobs".

-President Bill Clinton

Clinton is a lying sack of pedo rapist shit.

stereotomy says

Clinton is a lying sack of pedo rapist shit.

And a sellout.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

It has 3nm capability. It's making the latest chips.

And I was wrong about this. Originally designed the fab for 4nm (and you need to settle on that before construction) but then due to competition considered 3 after ground break now it's 2.5 or some shit and holy mary drill to bedrock so the cliche doesn't fuck it up when big trucks drive by.

Am talking about Samsung north of Austin not Arizona. About to hit the sack and didn't roll up to verify i was talking about AZ at the point I quoted.

Otherwise I think AZ is moving sub 3nm now.

Manufacturers have various confusing names for their sub 3nm stuff that I don't understand yet where some are new non silicon techs