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You do realize that Julie Borowski is a Libertarian?

Or that Rand Paul is more Libertarian than Republican?

But I must compliment you on your in depth unimpeachable sources of information...

BTW Carlin is great, this is one of my favorites.
Pretty funny hey Dan?

http://www.7W33HRc1A6c

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 deleted this comment of yours:

6 Youtube videos in ONE post!! It must be a new record!!

Dan is starting to resemble the Wogster...

Pollution removed. Those who want to debate the videos are welcome. Idiots who troll are not.

Trolls who say that a video suddenly becomes invalid simply because its hosted by YouTube can go back to the technological dark ages. YouTube is the defacto web hosting site on the Internet. Get over it. You might as well say that any site linked by Google is an invalid source of evidence if you're stooping to that level of stupidity.

Honest debate regardless of politics is welcomed. Trolls who are intent on disrupting the conversation are not.

indigenous says

Dan is starting to resemble the Wogster...

In that I've taken to no longer tolerating trolls disrupting my threads, then yes. Also reposting a deleted message will get a troll permabanned.

But you do not consider the thread to be provocative?

indigenous says

You do realize that Julie Borowski is a Libertarian?

Or that Rand Paul is more Libertarian than Republican?

But I must compliment you on your in depth unimpeachable sources of information...

Rand Paul is a Republican even if he disagrees with his party. It is still his party. He is literally a Republican senator for Kentucky. Therefore, my sources of information are 100% correct.

As for Julie Borowski, her video pointed out the hypocrisy of Republicans. My sources never claimed she was a Republican.

Therefore, you point is invalid and untrue.

indigenous says

But you do not consider the thread to be provocative?

Irrelevant. Controversial discussion is welcome. Trying to disrupt threads and turning them into juvenile fights is not.

indigenous says

Pretty funny hey Dan?

And your point is?

Dan8267 says

Irrelevant. Controversial discussion is welcome. Trying to disrupt threads and turning them into juvenile fights is not.

Seems like a fine line between that and trolling?

Dan8267 says

And your point is?

If I has to splain it to ya it taint funny

indigenous says

If I has to splain it to ya it taint funny

So, you have no serious point about the George Carlin video, then?

indigenous says

Seems like a fine line between that and trolling?

Not in the remotest. Trolls attempt to disrupt conversations and piss off people, not to debate or support a particular view, no matter now unpopular. Their techniques are completely different.

Dan8267 says

Rand Paul is a Republican even if he disagrees with his party. It is still his party. He is literally a Republican senator for Kentucky. Therefore, my sources of information are 100% correct.

Do you think all Rs are the same?

Is FU Shumer or Harry Reid the same as a Blue Dog D?

Dan8267 says

As for Julie Borowski, her video pointed out the hypocrisy of Republicans. My sources never claimed she was a Republican.

She goes after the Ds as well

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Dan8267 says

Not in the remotest. Trolls attempt to disrupt conversations and piss off people, not to debate or support a particular view, no matter now unpopular. Their techniques are completely different.

Oh ok, so you are saying that the Wogster is a troll...

indigenous says

Do you think all Rs are the same?

No. And that is not what we were debating just now. Remember, YOU made a proposition that my sources were telling falsehoods by calling Rand Paul a republican. Well, he is. That is a cold hard fact.

For MSNBC news to refer to the Republican Senator from Kentucky as a Republican simply because the party he is a member of while holding his current office is the Republican Party is hardly a mistake.

You then try to apply that every thing in the news clips I posted was discredited because of this one mistake that isn't even a mistake.

So really, you should admit that the news clips were accurate in their factual statements. The thing about living in the Information Age, is that you can't get away with getting the facts wrong. You will be caught. And when you are caught, the best thing you can do so salvage your own credibility is to simply admit the mistake and move one. You should really think about doing that right now.

indigenous says

She goes after the Ds as well

So do I. And your point is?

indigenous says

Oh ok, so you are saying that the Wogster is a troll...

I've said no such thing in this thread. However, I reserve the right to do so. I also reserve the right to say the opposite.

Just a reminder, placing false words into other people's mouths is exactly what a troll does.

Dan8267 says

Remember, YOU made a proposition that my sources were telling falsehoods by calling Rand Paul a republican. Well, he is.

The OP was that Rs are hurting America, Rand Paul (the son of Ron Paul who ran as a R is absofuckinglutely a Libertarian) is less likely to "hurt America" than an R.

To ignore the diff is willful ignorance.

Dan8267 says

I've said no such thing in this thread. However, I reserve the right to do so. I also reserve the right to say the opposite.

IOW to be capricious a hallmark of progressives...

indigenous says

To ignore the diff is willful ignorance.

I disagree with you that the difference is significant. Libertarians may state in principle that they are for social freedoms, but in practice libertarians are typically Republicans that just don't give a damn about social issues one way or another.

In any case, the libertarian philosophy that there should be no laws against pollution and that the oceans should be privately owned are bad policies. Furthermore, libertarian economic policies are essentially the same as Republican policies, which do harm the economy.

In any case, I have hardly made the statement that Rand Paul does not differ on any issue from any republican. If you have a complaint about how one of the videos portrays Rand Paul, then you need to state
1. Which video
2. What timespan
3. What was said
4. Why you think what was said is wrong
5. And then you need to provide evidence to support your objection.

You have done none of those things. Therefore, there is nothing for me to respond to.

I don't have time or the interest to do the back and forth, suffice to say that Jon Stewarts MO is to take things out of context.

The diff between Rs and Ls is more than the superficial conjecture you indicate.

There's bad, there's badder, then there's there's the badust!
How bad is your President?

indigenous says

I don't have time or the interest to do the back and forth, suffice to say that Jon Stewarts MO is to take things out of context.

Feel free to back that up with evidence. If you think Stewart has taken anything out of context in the above clips,
1. Specify which clip.
2. Specify the timespan
3. Quote what was taken out of context
4. Provide evidence showing the context

Otherwise, rational persons must to conclude that you are wrong when you state that Stewart takes things out of context.

In any case, only one of the five clips in the original post were from Jon Stewart. Are you conceding that the other four clips are right on the money?

Feel free to provide evidence that Rachel Maddow was incorrect when she named dozens of Republicans taking credit for the stimulus money they voted against. That kind of hypocrisy would be shocking if it weren't all so common in the Republican Party.

CaptainShuddup says

How bad is your President?

I don't have a president. My country does. And I did not vote for him or support him. He's a Republican in everything but skin color.

I have stated many times that Obama's policies are essentially identical to that vile scumbag Bush.

Dan8267 says

He's a Republican in everything but skin color.

That's pretty racist. In the 12 years or so that I did residential carpet and flooring, I learned a lot about a lot of cultures and a lot about different races. I found most heads of black households more conservative than I thought White households were ran. It's the other 8 adults living with him, that votes Democrat.

Dan8267 says

Feel free to back that up with evidence. If you think Stewart has taken anything out of context in the above clips,

Peter Schiff indicated that he did 4 hr of video that was cut down to a few soundbytes and completely out of context. It should be no trouble to find the clip. I'm not going to waste my time but this does appear to be his MO.

Dan8267 says

Republicans taking credit for the stimulus money they voted against.

Don't disagree, Mell often shows the clip of Paul Ryan showing he voted for TARP.

Those Republicans are bad for America because they create jobs and send checks to the Democrats who don't want to work.

Remember when the Liberals fucked up America, and then blamed the Elderly people?

I swear to GOD!

Yeah that was pretty low and shitty.

indigenous says

Peter Schiff indicated that he did 4 hr of video that was cut down to a few soundbytes and completely out of context. It should be no trouble to find the clip. I'm not going to waste my time but this does appear to be his MO.

Yeah, that was a pretty despicable, but well done hack-job. For example Schiff highlighted the inclusion of somewhat mentally challenged people into the workforce for simplistic jobs at a low salary and they spun it to make him look like he attacked that group, knowing very well that the alternative for those people is to live and work parallel to the "normal" society in special homes and artificial workplaces.

Dan8267 says

I disagree with you that the difference is significant. Libertarians may state in principle that they are for social freedoms, but in practice libertarians are typically Republicans that just don't give a damn about social issues one way or another.

In any case, the libertarian philosophy that there should be no laws against pollution and that the oceans should be privately owned are bad policies. Furthermore, libertarian economic policies are essentially the same as Republican policies, which do harm the economy.

Dan, I agree that some of these are important issues that needs to be addressed and fought out should a Libertarian rise to significant power, but I claim that the outcome will still be favorable for this country overall. Nobody and no party is perfect. The problem I have with the so-called progressives which have taken a strong foothold in the Dems is that they don't even get to important topics such as the debt, deficit-spending, the environment, the wars anymore, because they are completely consumed with and enraged by sideshow social non-topics that have absolutely nothing to do with civil rights or civil liberties.

mell says

For example Schiff highlighted the inclusion of somewhat mentally challenged people into the workforce for simplistic jobs at a low salary and they spun it to make him look like he attacked that group, knowing very well that the alternative for those people is to live and work parallel to the "normal" society in special homes and artificial workplaces.

Sactly, I see that Carl's Jr (I dig the Chicken with Ortega chile sandwich) does this at some restaurants. I think it is totally cool as there is nothing more therapeutic than work. A win win situation, anyone who says otherwise is an asshole.

indigenous says

Peter Schiff indicated that he did 4 hr of video that was cut down to a few soundbytes and completely out of context. It should be no trouble to find the clip. I'm not going to waste my time but this does appear to be his MO.

Translation: I don't have evidence and I know I can't get any. But I'm hoping the mere insinuation will be enough to persuade dumb people.

The fact is that every single interview done on The Daily Show is shown, in full, on the show's website for free. It takes no effort to watch them.

Most interviews are longer than the 10 minutes allocated for them, so the on-air versions are cut down for time using the most entertaining or interesting parts. Whenever this happens, the on-air show puts up a URL where the full interview can be found.

Furthermore, just because Peter Schiff holds the opinion that he looks better in the full video, doesn't mean the rest of the world shares that opinion.

Finally, you are implying that the Daily Show clip posted in this thread is taking things out of context. That is simply wrong. Feel free to point out one thing that the videos have taken out of context and show what the real context is. There is no way in hell you can do that.

You can assert all you want. Assertions without basis only demonstrates the weakness of the position of the person making the assertions. I could assert that all Republicans practice witchcraft and it would carry the exact same weight as your assertions of Jon Stewart.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

Republicans taking credit for the stimulus money they voted against.

Don't disagree, Mell often shows the clip of Paul Ryan showing he voted for TARP.

I take it that you are now referring to The Young Turks video. In that case... If you disagree with a fact, you are wrong.

The Young Turks video demonstrates Paul Ryan being a hypocrite regarding the use of reconciliation. That video does not talk about stimulus spending at all. You are now confusing the videos and their statements as you grasp for straws to show any flaw in them.

The Rachel Maddow video states the numerous examples of Republicans hypocritically voting against the stimulus package and denouncing it and then taking credit for it in their own district. And Maddow was absolutely correct in every single Republican she mentioned that voted against the stimulus package and the took credit for it.

And as for Paul Ryan? You say he voted for TARP. TARP is NOT the $787 billion stimulus bill. You are confusing two entirely different pieces of legislation.

Paul Ryan voted AGAINST the stimulus bill

That is, Rep. Paul Ryan has sought federal funding for projects in his district, even when he has voted against the relevant spending program, such as President Obama’s $787 billion “stimulus” bill.

Finally, Rachel Maddow didn't even mention Paul Ryan in her list. So your false accusation doesn't even apply.

Don't want to spend the time. Certainly All comedians accentuate the facts to embellish the humor. Either Peter Schiff is lying or you are. Stewart can hide behind the laws that protect humor as not being slander.

Schiff is wrong about stuff, but I'm going to give his statement more weight. As Stewarts intention is not toward factual reporting.

carrieon says

Those Republicans are bad for America because they create jobs and send checks to the Democrats who don't want to work.

Feel free to support that statement with evidence. You know evidence. That's when you show facts that support a case. Here's an example...

GOP kills jobs bill despite majority support

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) deserves a lot of credit for making sure that didn’t happen. In the end, the American Jobs Act got 51 votes, and only two Dems — Nebraska’s Ben Nelson and Montana’s Jon Tester — sided with Republicans.

So the Republicans in the Senate deliberately blocks the creation of jobs. Why? Well, that goes back to the Rachel Maddow video. The Republicans will gladly hurt America to make government look dysfunctional until they get the White House and Congress.

This is why no one should vote Republican ever again. A party that deliberately harms the American people and jeopardizes our economy for political gain cannot be tolerated.

CaptainShuddup says

Remember when the Liberals fucked up America, and then blamed the Elderly people?

I swear to GOD!

Yeah that was pretty low and shitty.

Feel free to provide evidence. I remember when Republicans sold all Americans as sex slaves to the Orion pirates of the Nebluan sector. Oh, you want evidence. Well, that would take too much time, but you can just take my word about it. I read it somewhere on Wikipedia.

sbh says

Remember

Beat me to it...

This thread is a good example of how it takes an order of magnitude of effort and time to beat back a troll vs. the effort of trolling in the first place.

Hypocrisy, it that like the democrats passing Obummer Care with out one Republican vote and then exempting themselves from the plan. Yup, Miss Pelosi Galore doesn't have a bronze or silver plan, that's for the peasants on the plantation. Maybe hypocrisy is embodied in that big democrat Ponzi Scam, Social Security. Congress has its own retirement plan as does other Gov't agencies. I've paid in all my life but won't receive a dime.