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MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 8, 1:26am
Total BONK.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp
No evidence Tyler ever said it. He never published any book about "The Fall of the Athenian Republic", nor has anything like this statement exist in any of his extant works.
It's from a bulk chain e-mail, repurposed from another bulk email from the Bush-Gore election in 2000, with just the names changed. Even the states and statistics stay the same.
In fact, the whole thing seems to come from one Henning Webb Prentis, Jr. of the Armstrong Cork Company. He first mentioned it in a speech attacking FDR and his New Deal in 1943.
indigenous
2014 Dec 8, 1:29am
So you believe that the tyranny of the democracy will set things right?
Or that countries do not go through these stages?
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 8, 1:32am
So you believe that the tyranny of the democracy will set things right?
Or that countries do not go through these stages?
If you hate the tyranny of the democracy, move to "Communist" China. It's run by Communist Party and People's Liberation Army Generals who own most of the productive power in the nation, and there is no pesky democracy.
Brunei or Saudi Arabia might also work for you.
indigenous
2014 Dec 8, 1:33am
If you hate the tyranny of the democracy, move to "Communist" China. It's run by Communist Party and People's Liberation Army Generals who own most of the productive power in the nation, and there is no pesky democracy.
WTF they are the ultimate tyranny of the democracy. I'm arguing for going the other direction.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 8, 1:34am
WTF they are the ultimate tyranny of the democracy. I'm arguing for going the other direction.
They have elections in China?
Maybe you prefer Ukraine, where they have a lot of free market reforms for ownership enforcement.
Probably Kolomoyskiy taking back "his" refinery in Odessa from another Oligarch. This has nothing to do with any Donbass fighting, this is far away from that.
indigenous
2014 Dec 8, 1:37am
They have elections in China?
Hint it is called the People's Republic of China, i.e. the tyranny of the democracy.
Of course these democracy's are run by tyrants, but the party line is all property is owned by the people.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 8, 1:39am
Hint it is called the People's Republic of China, i.e. the tyranny of the democracy.
Ah, so the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea must also be Democratic Tyranny, even more so than the PRC.
indigenous
2014 Dec 8, 1:42am
Ah, so the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea must also be Democratic Tyranny, even more so than the PRC.
Yes, again the property is owned by the people.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 8, 3:35am
Ah, so the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea must also be Democratic Tyranny, even more so than the PRC.
Yes, again the property is owned by the people.
Riiiiiiiiiight. Active real estate market in North Korea.
rooemoore
2014 Dec 8, 3:41am
If you hate the tyranny of the democracy, move to "Communist" China. It's run by Communist Party and People's Liberation Army Generals who own most of the productive power in the nation, and there is no pesky democracy.
WTF they are the ultimate tyranny of the democracy. I'm arguing for going the other direction.
You're arguing for a fantasy that has never existed and will never exist.
So you believe that the tyranny of the democracy will set things right?
Or that countries do not go through these stages?
There has never been another country like the USA. Trying to compare it to other countries is foolish at best.
indigenous
2014 Dec 8, 4:07am
Riiiiiiiiiight. Active real estate market in North Korea.
No you are thinking of individuals, I'm talking about a collective
indigenous
2014 Dec 8, 4:08am
You're arguing for a fantasy that has never existed and will never exist.
Sure it does
rooemoore
2014 Dec 8, 4:09am
You're arguing for a fantasy that has never existed and will never exist.
Sure it does
Where?
rooemoore
2014 Dec 8, 4:17am
Where?
Right here
Fuck you're immature. You may notice your ignored by has now grown by one.
Goodbye.
indigenous
2014 Dec 8, 5:07am
Fuck you're immature. You may notice your ignored by has now grown by one.
Goodbye.
WTF, ba bye
indigenous
2014 Dec 8, 5:28am
See what happens when you try and inject facts to the one-dimensional liberals? They run away or their heads will explode!
Yup, "oh how can that be democracy is everything"
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2014 Dec 8, 5:32am
Fuck you're immature. You may notice your ignored by has now grown by one.
Goodbye.
WTF, ba bye
See what happens when you try and inject facts to the one-dimensional liberals? They run away or their heads will explode!
Someone needed badly to read my posting on the impact of trolls and unnecessary emotional attachment when browsing the Internet that was in the "unplugging" thread.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 8, 6:11am
Riiiiiiiiiight. Active real estate market in North Korea.
No you are thinking of individuals, I'm talking about a collective
What collective. Mr. Rhonrhee only carries out the Hive's instructions?
The Hive told Kim to go kidnap Japanese B-movie actresses?
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
The Obituary follows:
Born 1776, Died 2016
It doesn't hurt to read this several times.
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning
the last Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Obama: 19 Romney: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 Romney: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million Romney: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Romney won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.
Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare."
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals - and they vote - then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
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