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indigenous says

Not by physical universe terms.

Absolutely by physical universe terms. Nothing is the only thing without distinguishing characteristics in a physical universe.

indigenous says

A universe that does not contain things. You might say your world is your universe and you decide things and thus create things. But if you take away all of your things you would still remain. Are you nothing or do you have the ability to create? Do you exist?

For example...

(This sounds like you want to say "Ideal Forms Exist" at this point)

indigenous says

Again the prime mover and Aristotle's idea that what is moved is moved by something outside of the thing that is moved. This is not infinitely regressive.

Why Not? And you'll say because there is no beginning, and I'll say how did something exist before the beginning... or ask you to prove there was an ultimate beginning (outside of the whole mega-verse)...

You see we're going in circles here.

thunderlips11 says

Absolutely by physical universe terms. Nothing is the only thing without distinguishing characteristics in a physical universe.

Yup

thunderlips11 says

For example...

(This sounds like you want to say "Ideal Forms Exist" at this point)

Nope

thunderlips11 says

Why Not? And you'll say because there is no beginning, and I'll say how did something exist before the beginning... or ask you to prove there was an ultimate beginning (outside of the whole mega-verse)...

You see we're going in circles here.

Yup, you have to let go of thinking about this in physical universe terms. Not to be confused with faith or any religion.

It's pretty obvious it went like this:

Indigenous visits some Austrian site.
Woods Junior presents some philosophical babble about Thomism and First Causes that Indigenous doesn't understand, but which is used to butress Austrianism, perhaps through an intermediary step of justifying a prior logic as the sole basis for economic understanding.
Indigenous mentions it here.

thunderlips11 says

Indigenous visits some Austrian site.

Woods Junior presents some philosophical babble about Thomism and First Causes that Indigenous doesn't understand, but which is used to butress Austrianism, perhaps through an intermediary step of justifying a prior logic as the sole basis for economic understanding.

Indigenous mentions it here.

almost, I listened to this podcast:

http://tomwoods.com/podcast/ep-272-am-i-a-dummy-for-believing-in-god/

Why don't you listen to it and splain me what I got wrong?

indigenous says

And you mutts simply say: Aristotle an Aquinas are wrong because it "scientifically proven to be wrong"

I stated that I'm not talking about physics at all.

indigenous says

Summa Theologica, it is based on the idea from Aristotle the unmoved mover. It states that all things are moved by a mover and that the mover is exterior to the moved in other words a primary cause moves the moved (potentiality) towards a destination (actuality).

You cannot regress this infinitely. There must be a primary mover. This primary mover is God.

If this isn't an attempt to explain the world around us, what is it?

indigenous says

almost, I listened to this podcast:

http://tomwoods.com/podcast/ep-272-am-i-a-dummy-for-believing-in-god/

Why don't you listen to it and splain me what I got wrong?

You mean, what Woods got wrong?

Here's a fun von Mises rant, including attacks on the other main Whipping Boy besides Zionism, the Jesuit Order.
https://mises.org/library/decline-scholasticism

Austrianism is really in league with Medieval Revisionism, which is a pet project of traditionalist assholes who befuddle the public with their high-sounding scholastic verbiage.

thunderlips11 says

You mean, what Woods got wrong?

He is a Harvard grad with a PhD from Columbia. But you are somehow smarter?

Ok so you have lowered the debate to ad hominem, debate is over you are out of ammo...

Here I take the trouble to learn you something...

Aristotle lived in the fourth century B.C.E. That's 2400 years ago!

He was a smart guy in a highly ignorant time. He got a lot of things right and made some good contributions to mankind's knowledge. He also got a lot of things wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/lI47KuwaxTQ

Nonetheless, expecting anyone who lived in the fourth century B.C.E. to have any insights on the universe comparable to what a typical grad student in the 21st century is expect to have would be incredibly stupid. Mankind's knowledge has increased exponentially over the past few centuries that you cannot even meaningfully compare Aristotle's works to modern works. The only point in studying Aristotle -- and it's a good point -- is to understand history, not science or mathematics.

Now, I for one, believe that the history of mathematics and knowledge -- Aristotle wasn't a scientist, they didn't exist yet -- is highly underrated. However, idiots like indigenous have been appealing to authority through Aristotle for over 2000 years for the sole effect of slowing down progress and understanding. Because of this, the world may well have been better without Aristotle because of all the fools that came after him and used his incorrect ideas to hold back the world.

indigenous says

I'm not your nanny, if you can't understand it find someone who can explain it to you.

Translation: Shit, caught with my pants down again. Can't support my argument. Maybe I can convince people that if they don't accept my argument, it's because they are too stupid or lazy to find the evidence themselves. Yeah, that will work.

Dan8267 says

Translation

You mutts can't undstand what I'm saying so do what you always do, which is resort to ad hominem.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

Translation

You mutts can't undstand what I'm saying so do what you always do, which is resort to ad hominem.

An ad hominem would be something like "indigenous is a racist moron". What I did was explicitly said what you were wrongfully implying. A real man would have taken it as a challenge to defend his position with evidence.

indigenous says

You mutts can't undstand what I'm saying so do what you always do, which is resort to ad hominem.

So which of us are booze-drenched alkies, pounding back Thunderbird and Night Train on urine soaked Barcaloungers, drunk off our asses?

indigenous says

He is a Harvard grad with a PhD from Columbia. But you are somehow smarter?

Argument from Authority.

Stanton Friedman has a Master's in Nuclear Physics from the University of Chicago, but that doesn't mean I accept his UFO claims just because he said so.

indigenous says

Ok so you have lowered the debate to ad hominem, debate is over you are out of ammo...

What ad hom? That you cribbed shit from Austrian evangelists? You admitted I was on the right track.

indigenous says

Here I take the trouble to learn you something...

If you want to use an argument, at least have a passing understanding of it first. You certainly should understand it yourself if you're going to school somebody else.

thunderlips11 says

If you want to use an argument, at least have a passing understanding of it first. You certainly should understand it yourself if you're going to school somebody else.

I understand it quite well, you on the other hand don't have a clue

Dan8267 says

A real man would have taken it as a challenge to defend his position with evidence.

And that is not ad hominem? Not one of you mutts have said anything but AH...

indigenous says

And that is not ad hominem?

No, it's an attempt to shame you into actually defending your position.

Dan8267 says

No, it's an attempt to shame you into actually defending your position.

Give me a fucking break, I defended it umpteen times.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

No, it's an attempt to shame you into actually defending your position.

Give me a fucking break, I defended it umpteen times.

You're kidding right? Around in circles we went.

thunderlips11 says

You're kidding right? Around in circles we went.

Fuck no, you mutts choose not to listen...

Another thing Aristotle claimed was that objects fall relative to their weight. Period.

That's a priori for you.

thunderlips11 says

Another thing Aristotle claimed was that objects fall relative to their weight. Period.

That is by definition a posteriori, me thinks that Aristotle is not very good at this. Best stick with a priori. Again don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Have you listened to the podcast I linked? Obviously not. Some of you fellers is hard to learn stuff to.

thunderlips11 says

Another thing Aristotle claimed was that objects fall relative to their weight.

If you don't believe that to be so. Then try standing on the street, while I drop a bowling ball and a grape from a 96 floor building on to your head. You take the bowling ball and I'll take the grape.
The bowling ball's pressure psi will be so great it will put your head where your ass is. The grape might put a welt on my noggin.

Newton was just a liberal, shittin' out of both sides of his ass!

Newton on the other hand was good at a posteriori and a priori as he invented calculus.

Science is a political, it deals with truth, which automatically nullifies any liberal input.

indigenous says

Newton on the other hand was good at a posteriori and a priori as he invented calculus.

Science is a political, it deals with truth, which automatically nullifies any liberal input.

thunderlips11 says

indigenous says

Newton on the other hand was good at a posteriori and a priori as he invented calculus.

Science is a political, it deals with truth, which automatically nullifies any liberal input.

Yes I know the feeling...

When's that hyperinflation coming, oh Austrian Scientist?

thunderlips11 says

When's that hyperinflation coming, oh Austrian Scientist?

As Doug Casey says: "Just because something is inevitable does not make it eminent."

The exact when is Darlag's arena.

From what I read from the Beaulieus at about 2030
I'm guessing because medicare will reach critical mass at that point, i.e. all the boomers will be 65 at that point.

The simple fact is you cannot debase the money in perpetuity without consequences. Once a country goes to fiat money it's days are numbered, even with hard money they debase as has occurred countless times throughout history. But this can take a long time In Spain for instance it took the politicians about 800 years to debase the Denar from 65 grains of gold to 1 1/2 grains of silver.

From what I read the US will probably fade, ala the UK, by the end of this century with the biggest depression in the history of the world in about 15 years.

BTW Austrians are a priori, which means not so much on the scientist crack.

indigenous says

BTW Austrians are a priori, which means not so much on the scientist crack.

Proof by Logic is vastly inferior to Proof by Scientific Method.

Want to guess what element is missing from the former?

thunderlips11 says

Want to guess what element is missing from the former?

No, splain me

thunderlips11 says

C'mon indigenous, take a guess.

Nope you splain it

indigenous says

Projecting?

indigenous says

More projecting...

indigenous says

And yet more projecting...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/G2y8Sx4B2Sk

It means sactly what I think it means. In fact your linking that video is your own projecting.

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I think we broke indigenous. Women across the world are grateful.

Dan8267 says

I think we broke indigenous.

You are flattering yourself, not that you are not your usual non sequitur self

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

I took a shit in the manger down the town commons a priori and, so far, no one has noticed.

The only genuine shits are a posteriori.

indigenous says

The one voted most likely to be insane and you the original mutt...

Honey, I'm an Orwellian nightmare dressed as a wet dream.

Dan8267 says

Honey, I'm an Orwellian nightmare dressed as a wet dream.

And delusional...

indigenous says

The one voted most likely to be insane and you the original mutt...

indigenous says

And delusional...

“No great mind has ever existed without a touch of madness.”
― Aristotle

http://www.youtube.com/embed/kge2GkRWEmo

Dan8267 says

“No great mind has ever existed without a touch of madness.”

― Aristotle

In your case I see no evidence of the prior